Suns in the Media - Part I

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Makes absolutely zero sense. Lukousoius said only last year he prefers playing in defence because he gets lead to the ball.

Plus you have King, Chol, Casboult, Jeffrey and Lukousoius, that's 5 guys that should be playing senior footy, trying to fit into a forward line that last season was great for their F50 pressure, from their abundance of smalls.

You are basically weakening a strength 'F50 pressure' and not strengthening your weakest position on the field 'tall defenders'. Plus likely when it doesn't work you'll be having at least 2 of those guys playing in the reserves as team balance will be out. Unless of course it's the first ever team in AFL history to be successful with more than 3 tall forwards inside F50 at any one time.
 
Makes absolutely zero sense. Lukousoius said only last year he prefers playing in defence because he gets lead to the ball.

Plus you have King, Chol, Casboult, Jeffrey and Lukousoius, that's 5 guys that should be playing senior footy, trying to fit into a forward line that last season was great for their F50 pressure, from their abundance of smalls.

You are basically weakening a strength 'F50 pressure' and not strengthening your weakest position on the field 'tall defenders'. Plus likely when it doesn't work you'll be having at least 2 of those guys playing in the reserves as team balance will be out. Unless of course it's the first ever team in AFL history to be successful with more than 3 tall forwards inside F50 at any one time.
I get that. I too am skeptical about the height and pressure. Dew addressed this recently to some extent though.

King and Chol, he says, aren’t traditional talls as they are very, very good below knee and exceptionally quick. A lot of their goals are out the back, like a small forward.

Luko is playing forward of centre, but seems more a wing / high half forward role for the most part so he is delivering the ball more. May rest forward when one of the other talls is off or supporting in the ruck.

Casboult is deep forward for now and maybe some ruck. He may stay there, or may be there just to protect King for a few rounds. He may also be subbed off in a lot of games too.

So yeah, lots of maybes here. Guess we’ll see what it might look like come Thursday.
 
Although I do agree in general that recruitment will become easier once we start having genuine success, Brisbane proved with Lachie Neale that it's not always the case. Neale had no link to Brisbane and the Lions had just finished 15th on the ladder, yet they found a way to convince one of the most promising young midfielders in the league to join them. Brisbane have dispelled a lot of myths about Queensland football over the last few years and this is one of them. Another myth that they dispelled over the last few years is the idea that a team in Queensland needs extra salary cap room to be competitive but that's clearly not true either. There's really no justifiable excuse for 10 years of mediocrity when you look at what Brisbane has achieved.

I understand it's not easy to run an AFL team in Queensland but I also know we can't keep making excuses if we want this team to be successful. I remember hearing every excuse in the book from Brisbane supporters 10 or so years ago but at a certain point they stopped making excuses and just accepted their situation while finding a way to make it work. Credit where it's due - they figured it out and we should be commending them just as much as anyone because we face very similar challenges to them and understand intimately how difficult it is to achieve what they have over the last five years. I would love nothing more than for us to embark on a five year journey like them starting this year and I really hope that's what 2023 has in store for us.

I feel like we can also learn a lot from the Swans and how important an academy can become if you resource it correctly. We may not always be in the running for A-graders but a constant stream of talented juniors from our zone can really flip the script in that sense. Outside of Buddy, the Swans really haven't had a significant recruiting coup in the last 20 years and yet they've found a way to compete in 16 of the last 20 finals series. How did they do it? I know they used to get a lot of credit for the 'Bloods Culture' and the way that they would develop drafted players but these days people don't really talk about that and it appears its their academy that continues to keep them competitive with players like Callum Mills, Isaac Heeney, Nick Blakey, Braeden Campbell, Erol Gulden etc all being outstanding academy prospects that they were able to secure. Now we finally appear to have our own impressive academy crop coming through over the next few years and I really hope this is the beginning of us following suit so we aren't so reliant on external recruiting in the future.


I know it's not simple but this is what a recruitment manager is paid to figure out. We can't just let a guy like Scotty Clayton come in and coast for years because he can hide behind a pretence like 'we need to spread the age gap'. When you think back on it, we really should have secured another top line midfielder in his prime to team up with Ablett or a top line key forward in his prime to show Dixon and Lynch the way during that 2013-14 period when we were climbing the ladder and were primed to qualify for the finals for the first time. Instead Clayton decided to draft more 18 year olds like Kolodjashnij, Leslie and Lemmens who always were going to take years before they significantly contributed and there's also no guarantee that they were ever going get there like we saw with KK.

We need recruiting staff who will actively make moves every year and try their best to convince the next Lachie Neale to join us so we can hopefully open as many finals windows as possible. I understand we're not going to land big name players every year but to have virtually nothing happen for 10 years is very lacklustre IMO. I'm not sure how many on this board follow the NBA but if you do then you would understand that the Miami Heat is the exact model we should be trying to replicate. Small market team that can offer a tropical lifestyle and is run by an unbelievable president/recruiting manager named Pat Riley. He found a way to make Miami more appealing than the some of the biggest markets in the world like New York/Los Angeles and that was proven in 2010 when he secured league MVP Lebron James' signature ahead of every other NBA team. There's no reason why we can't be the AFL's version of the Miami Heat.
Nice write-up. Re-signing homegrown young guns is a good first step. All it takes is a little taste of success. Make a couple finals, keep the Academy talent coming in, build the club's culture, and eventually GC will be an attractive destination for big names.

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I get that. I too am skeptical about the height and pressure. Dew addressed this recently to some extent though.

King and Chol, he says, aren’t traditional talls as they are very, very good below knee and exceptionally quick. A lot of their goals are out the back, like a small forward.

Luko is playing forward of centre, but seems more a wing / high half forward role for the most part so he is delivering the ball more. May rest forward when one of the other talls is off or supporting in the ruck.

Casboult is deep forward for now and maybe some ruck. He may stay there, or may be there just to protect King for a few rounds. He may also be subbed off in a lot of games too.

So yeah, lots of maybes here. Guess we’ll see what it might look like come Thursday.
I think it can work as long as everyone knows and sticks to their role. The most recent example I can think of was GWS in 2021 when they were playing Hogan (195cm), Himmelberg (195cm), Finlayson (197cm) and Riccardi (195cm). They were able to make it to the second week of the finals that season but their forward line did seem a bit disjointed at times. I'm very curious to see if we can make it work!

Nice write-up. Re-signing homegrown young guns is a good first step. All it takes is a little taste of success. Make a couple finals, keep the Academy talent coming in, build the club's culture, and eventually GC will be an attractive destination for big names.
That's how I see it too. Brisbane essentially did that by developing homegrown stars Andrews and Hipwood out of their academy while also bringing home other talented Queenslanders like Charlie Cameron. After a few years of finals footy they become a destination club and sign stars from Melbourne clubs like Daniher and Dunkley. We just need to hold up our end of the bargain and start playing finals footy.
 

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Makes absolutely zero sense. Lukousoius said only last year he prefers playing in defence because he gets lead to the ball.
Plus you have King, Chol, Casboult, Jeffrey and Lukousoius, that's 5 guys that should be playing senior footy, trying to fit into a forward line that last season was great for their F50 pressure, from their abundance of smalls.

You are basically weakening a strength 'F50 pressure' and not strengthening your weakest position on the field 'tall defenders'. Plus likely when it doesn't work you'll be having at least 2 of those guys playing in the reserves as team balance will be out. Unless of course it's the first ever team in AFL history to be successful with more than 3 tall forwards inside F50 at any one time.
Firstly Luko has always said that he doesn’t mind paying around the ground to learn some skills but ultimately see himself as a forward. His messaging been pretty consistent.

Ainsworth, rosas and holman were all in top 30 players league wide for tackles inside 50 per game. Alex Davies, Flanders should also bring some heat when resting forward.
Lukosius at 0.7 per game wasnt bad either.

I think clearly he can really be a difference maker with his kicking to our forwards. Despite his injury struggles last year and without a few of our ‘finishers’ (king, Jeffrey) he still averaged 16 disposals, 6 marks, 1.5 scoring shots, 1 goal assist in his last 6-7 games from memory. With all the talk about how he’s improved his running and worked a lot on his kicking. Plus a more stable and potent forward line to kick to, I can only imagine this will get better. Playing 30-100m out from goal, he can really create scores with his skills. I back him in to prove people with your opinion wrong.

My main concern is how Jeffrey will work his way into the team. From what he showed last year he has to play. But if they really want to go with casboult I can’t see him bring in the 22.
 
How do GC's facilities compare to other clubs I wonder

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Up there with the best of them at the moment AFAIK but it’s a bit of an arms race I reckon. Each new one better than the last. The Swans have just moved into their new training facilities which sound spectacular. Haven’t seen Brisbane’s etc. Bigger clubs usually have the advantage with more money backing them. Collingwood’s look pretty awesome.
 
Makes absolutely zero sense. Lukousoius said only last year he prefers playing in defence because he gets lead to the ball.

Firstly Luko has always said that he doesn’t mind paying around the ground to learn some skills but ultimately see himself as a forward. His messaging been pretty consistent.

Ainsworth, rosas and holman were all in top 30 players league wide for tackles inside 50 per game. Alex Davies, Flanders should also bring some heat when resting forward.
Lukosius at 0.7 per game wasnt bad either.

I think clearly he can really be a difference maker with his kicking to our forwards. Despite his injury struggles last year and without a few of our ‘finishers’ (king, Jeffrey) he still averaged 16 disposals, 6 marks, 1.5 scoring shots, 1 goal assist in his last 6-7 games from memory. With all the talk about how he’s improved his running and worked a lot on his kicking. Plus a more stable and potent forward line to kick to, I can only imagine this will get better. Playing 30-100m out from goal, he can really create scores with his skills. I back him in to prove people with your opinion wrong.

My main concern is how Jeffrey will work his way into the team. From what he showed last year he has to play. But if they really want to go with casboult I can’t see him bring in the 22.
Is it just me that would prefer to see Jeffrey up forward instead of Luko? Joel to me, with only a few games already looks more dangerous up forward, a harder matchup, has x-factor which we’ve lost a lot of with Izak gone, a better kick for goal and has already shown he can kick a bag (something Luko hasn’t done). The bloke just kicked another 5 in the intraclub. Surely form has to be rewarded. Would hate to lose a player of his calibre because of lack of opportunities. The kid has all the tools to be a match winner.
 
Is it just me that would prefer to see Jeffrey up forward instead of Luko? Joel to me, with only a few games already looks more dangerous up forward, a harder matchup, has x-factor which we’ve lost a lot of with Izak gone, a better kick for goal and has already shown he can kick a bag (something Luko hasn’t done). The bloke just kicked another 5 in the intraclub. Surely form has to be rewarded. Would hate to lose a player of his calibre because of lack of opportunities. The kid has all the tools to be a match winner.
We’ll they’re playing different positions.
Jeffrey is really a forward 50 player. Creating things around goal, taking a mark, snapping from the boundary.

Lukosius is a high half forward.

I am wanting luko kicking the ball to Jeffrey.

I also think Jeffrey has to play. I’d rather him in than casboult to be honest.

I think king / chol will need to be more physical and crash packs to replace those things that Casboult does so well.
 
I am skeptical of the 4 talls (not to mention Jeffrey is unlucky to miss out) but hopefully the practice games give us feedback and we make the right call. I just can’t see the pressure being high enough to lock it in, and unless they have some incredible synergy, we will just have 2 guys flying for the same ball at all times. Plus having one on the bench at all times seems like a waste when they should all be pushing 85% TOG anyway.

Also, am I the only one who doesn’t see Luko as a defender?I feel like forward has always been the ultimate plan for him, and besides his kicking (which can be a bit hit or miss) he has just never looked like a defender to me? High half-forward, pushing on to a wing, but still able to roll forward and take a mark seems like his obvious spot. He would’ve found his groove by now if he was on a team that hit-up short leads instead of launching it inside 50 at all costs.
 
We’ll they’re playing different positions.
Jeffrey is really a forward 50 player. Creating things around goal, taking a mark, snapping from the boundary.

Lukosius is a high half forward.

I am wanting luko kicking the ball to Jeffrey.

I also think Jeffrey has to play. I’d rather him in than casboult to be honest.

I think king / chol will need to be more physical and crash packs to replace those things that Casboult does so well.
Agree. My preferred most dangerous forward line has both Luko and Jeffrey in there, rotating through with several others. I still think there’s room for Levi off the bench. He can be part of the rotation, chop out in the ruck, even defence if Charlie or Sam need a rest or are injured. Just seems the argument from some corners is it’s either one or the other. Jeffrey is that mobile he can play as a tall or medium/small. He can even pinch hit in defence, though I think he’s better for the team up forward, being so hard to match up on athletically.
 
Incorrect. Last year Luko said he is excited to be playing with King forward.

Excited to be playing forward is different to the interview I heard where he was specifically asked his preferred position.
 
Excited to be playing forward is different to the interview I heard where he was specifically asked his preferred position.
Could you point to Luko's interview last year when he said his preferred position is in the back? I never listened to it and I am pretty confident I listened to all (or most of) Luko interviews. IMO, Kings Ransom's reply is spot on. Luko always considered himself to be a forward.
 
Good problem to have with our forward line. I am sure coaches can figure it out. Injuries will come probably too unfortunately.

Most are not traditional talls except Casboult. King and Chol got speed, great below knees, can put pressure on. Jeffrey also got speed, great skills, can play different positions, not really key forward, IMO. Luko would spend most time outside and delivering inside 50 (most damaging role). Casboult is ultimately a depth. He did fade out after bye (his knee is not great).
 
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Could you point to Luko's interview last year when he said his preferred position is in the back? I never listened to it and I am pretty confident I listened to all (or most of) Luko interviews. IMO, Kings Ransom's reply is spot on. Luko always considered himself to be a forward.

I don't have a folio here of all Jack Lukousoius interviews, I'm pretty sure it was post season last year. I distinctively remember him saying something along the lines of the old 'wherever the coach wants me' followed by 'I did like playing defence because the opposition tall forwards would bring me into the game following them around'. It may have been sen Melbourne, that's where I listen to most interviews.

Regardless of where he wants to play, I still think 4 tall forwards and a lump of a bloke like casboult coming off the bench is impractical. So the coaching department should be making the decision for him and team balance.

Edit: plus I forgot to mention Jed Walter coming through next year, who could play senior footy year one.
 
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Despite all the talk I reckon one of Casboult and Jeffrey misses out. Dew is trying to kept them keen.

Doesn't hurt to have competition for spots. And there will be injuries.
Yeah, I suspect Casboult misses out if Jeffrey is in good shape. Jeffrey so far in his career always had some niggles. I hope he figured out his body. What a talent.
 
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