Autopsy Swans by 27 over GWS the 2nd quarter to be watched ad infinitum
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Wicks was bloody good last week. Not so this week and we are digging the boots in again.
Haven't we learned from Amartey, Jordon, Lloyd, Hayward, McLean, McDonald etc. that it's going to take more than one or even a few poor games for Horse to drop someone?
He trusts this group, and why wouldn't he.
Haven't we learned from Amartey, Jordon, Lloyd, Hayward, McLean, McDonald etc. that it's going to take more than one or even a few poor games for Horse to drop someone?
He trusts this group, and why wouldn't he.
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My favourite genre of tweets is someone asking Swamp some stat that they think is mindblowing and unprecedented, and Swamp replying with, "This is the 17,000th time it has been done"
Who do they replace? You disagree but just throw up names without who to drop.
Parker played 4 games in the VFL. Couldn’t get picked. Now suspended seems further away from breaking back in.
Fox couldn’t get back in this week. Cleary jumped ahead and made his debut.
Mills is the only genuine chance to get back in on reputation.
No doubt players bring something but it’s hard to break into a winning side. Nothing to do with complacency.
More on those outside of the 22 to break in.
He was 6th for pressure acts today. It may not be manic but it’s sustained.
He's quick and he applies great pressure. Compared to Parker, who's the player most refer to when considering dropping Wicks, I'm fairly confident Wicks has the speed / agility to apply more pressure than Parker.
Parker is a greater aerial threat up forward, but when the ball hits the deck I'd have my money on Wicks being able to impact. Parker is more adept to winning the ball in clinches.
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I hate to single you out specifically but ill say it overall i think the bolded segment is where all the mystical Wicks does this and that and therefore can't be dropped comes from.I think he does a lot of unappreciated non stat shit, so I think to look at how we go without him is reasonable valid. Is it simplistic? yes to a degree , but no more so than suggesting Corey Warner should play, a guy no where near senior footy and looked miles off when he played . I mean his surname is probably his best asset.
Wicks seems to be part of improving the collective willingness to do the team thing, if there is a contest or a chase he make it.
Yes I want more than 4 touches or whatever , but there were a fair few passages of play or defensive efforts he was involved in and has been every week.
If he didn't play his role he would be dropped.
Lets look at the stats from 2023 and 2024:
1%s:
2023: 0.8
2024: 0.6
FK Differential:
2023: -0.5
2024: -0.6
Spoils:
2023: 0.2
2024: 0.2
Pressure Acts:
2023: 18.4
2024: 11.3
Tackles I50:
2023: 2.1
2024: 0.8
Tackles:
2023: 5.4
2024: 1.8
SI %:
2023: 20.7%
2024: 16.3%
SIs:
2023: 4.6
2024: 4.5
Goal Assists:
2023: 1.0
2024: 0.8
Goals:
2023: 0.9
2024: 0.7
Shots:
2023: 1.7
2024: 1.0
Also those stats don't include the limited game he had today
EDIT: Forgot to include his improvement in Goal kicking which is the only major improvement from 2023:
Accuracy:
2023: 52.6%
2024: 72.7%
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I think they are all shocked it carried 56 on the fly
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Jake Lloyd kicking goals is just a beautiful thing to watch.
I cannot stress enough how much I love him as a player!!!
I think Clearys inclusion was purely done so he had a game under his belt in the event we have to call on him come finals. I'd expect the coaches to rotate the 24-28 group to get games into those on the fringes in case we cop a few injuries leading into finals.
Fox is a known quantity, he's performed on the big stage. It feels as though he'd have an understanding of his place in the pecking order and that his exclusion was a tactical move in preparation for finals.
He's improved this year and has got the hotheaded nonsense out of his game but he's had a handful of games where he wasn't in our bottom half dozen.
For a bloke lauded for his "manic pressure", he makes less tackles than McLean, Amartey and Hayward amongst the forwards.
The group are winning games but that doesn't mean everyone should be complacent in their positions. Campbell and Roberts rotating through the team shows that.
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I didn't say he cannot be dropped, no one is above being dropped.
But i literally said the stats don't tell you what he does and you gave me a pile of stats ?
The stuff that impresses me and I presume the coaching team are the chasing , tap one's pressure a pack and a contest .
Now sure we want to see more with the actual ball and I am with you on that, but his positives won't show on the stat sheet like I said.
He is certainly the obvious candidate for discussion as players return though, I readily accept that, but I wouldn't be dropping him for an unknown, if Parker is coming back or something else to me that's a different discussion, that's just me.
I think he is a role player largely playing the role he is asked.
Today was not one of his best, but last week was good.
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See that's totally fair .
I think he would have a list of things each week to target and he plays a small role. I would say the coaches wouldn't be ticking off today's game. If he can have a bigger game against Freo it would make a big difference.
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Focusing on the good stuff , I thought the Lizard had a very good game .
That dash through the middle was outstanding , his contested work is improving all the time and the rain wouldn't help his natural game, but he is a tough bugger.
That dash through the middle was outstanding , his contested work is improving all the time and the rain wouldn't help his natural game, but he is a tough bugger.
I've said several times that Mills and Parker at the least should come in for Roberts/Campbell and Wicks.
Parker dominated in the reserves and I would have brought him back for the first Giants game. Everything went pear shaped with his suspension but I don't think you can say that he wouldn't offer more than Wicks is as a full time forward.
Mills is more than a chance - he will walk back into the side.
Fox im not quite as high on as some others, and I was stoked to see Cleary debut but I don't think his selection this week over Fox returning from injury is necessarily a reflection of a change in the pecking order.
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I would say the points you mentioned would fall under the pressure acts which he is currently the lowest amongst all of the non tall forwards. I think also as you mentioned he really hasn't had anyone below him saying pick me. In the last 4 or so weeks, Parker (suspended), Hanily (new), Corey Warner (returning from injruy), Konstanty (not outstanding in 2s). I think in the next week or two his spot is going to come under question and think that a change to the sub role to give him the kick up the but or even a game or two in the 2s would be best for him.
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I'd agree with your last paragraph, but what's complacent? How many bad games in a row does it take to qualify for being dropped? Because I think we've had plenty of guys whose performances have left a lot to be desired here and there, but none have turned those bad games or two into a bad month. The only one that has, Campbell, has been dropped.
I agree, he's playing a role, and I have to put my hand up and say I defended Heeney's numbers in years gone by saying the exact same thing. I don't mean to flog the bloke, but I'm dead keen to see how Parker fits into the side playing 80% forward.
Can we win a flag with Wicks in the forward line? Absolutely. I guess that's mostly what counts.
I had to laugh at the difference in body language between a forward and a back kicking a goal. When Papley kicked his long-distance goal he turned and ran off as soon as it came from his boot and I don't think he even saw it go through. When Lloyd kicked his, he rode it all the way to watch out go through, such is the novelty.
The two goals were very close together so the contrast was more pronounced.
Yes and we all have that underlying fear that if we get into the granny, we’re gonna cop a Carlton or a Collingwood who will automatically get a 5 goal start from those f*cking clowns in flouro
That's reasonable. And though I bang on about the pressure stuff, the numbers say he has actually ramped it up over the past few weeks.
Doing enough to keep his spot ahead of the fit candidates right now. Will be interesting to see how Parker responds when he's back as I agree that none of our other VFL forwards are near displacing Wicks.
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Thought he might be close to cooked a couple of years ago. Having an absolute renaissance.
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