Swans have ten premierships

[rapidfire7]

Why did they delete them in the “1930s/1940s”?

Don't know the specifics, but apparently it was down to the further souring of relationships between the VFL and the VFA at the time.

 

[rapidfire7]

When discussing flag tallies, I reckon we should ignore every premiership which was won more than 12 months ago

1 Collingwood (reigning premiers)

0 Sydney, Carlton, Brisbane, Geelong, GWS, Fremantle, Essendon, Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Bulldogs, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Adelaide, St Kilda, West Coast, North Melb, Richmond

So, historical flag tallies of any sort are basically irrelevant?

 

[Back One Out]

So, historical flag tallies of any sort are basically irrelevant?

Yeah, basically

Just fading memories...

 

[99cents]

Please explain to me why Collingwood's 1990 flag should be counted in the modern premiership tally, but not Hawthorn's 1988 and 1989 flags.

2010 and 2023.. Both fairly 'lucky' flags, in their own ways...

 

[Partridge]

Why did they delete them in the “1930s/1940s”?

I haven't seen that explained yet. I'd be curious to see exactly who the "they" were as well.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Please explain to me why Collingwood's 1990 flag should be counted in the modern premiership tally, but not Hawthorn's 1988 and 1989 flags.

It shouldn't. Premierships should count from 1991 onwards because that's the year the league became the highest level of competition in all of Victoria, SA and WA.

 

[99cents]

It shouldn't. Premierships should count from 1991 onwards because that's the year the league became the highest level of competition in all of Victoria, SA and WA.

What about Tasmania?


List of expansion year Premiers

1982 Carlton 'swan' flag
1987 Carlton 'eagle-bear' flag
1991 Hawthorn 'crow' flag
1995 Carlton 'docker' flag
1997 Adelaide 'power-lion' flag
2011 Geelong 'sun' flag
2012 Sydney 'giant' flag
2028 ? 'devil' flag

A flag in a 19 team comp is worth 19.
A flag in a five team comp is worth 5.
Expansion years count double...

So Essendon's 1897 flag is worth 8 points, and Sydney's 2012 flag is worth 36




That is to say it is arbitrary where you start and stop counting. AFL name? 21st century? expansion clubs? VFA?
I count them all, with their importance diminishing exactly by year.

 

[Sentinel]

What about Tasmania?


List of expansion year Premiers

1982 Carlton 'swan' flag
1987 Carlton 'eagle-bear' flag
1991 Hawthorn 'crow' flag
1995 Carlton 'docker' flag
1997 Adelaide 'power-lion' flag
2011 Geelong 'sun' flag
2012 Sydney 'giant' flag
2028 ? 'devil' flag

A flag in a 19 team comp is worth 19.
A flag in a five team comp is worth 5.
Expansion years count double...

So Essendon's 1897 flag is worth 8 points, and Sydney's 2012 flag is worth 36




That is to say it is arbitrary where you start and stop counting. AFL name? 21st century? expansion clubs? VFA?
I count them all, with their importance diminishing exactly by year.

Why do people feel the need to apply any official "worth" to a flag? That's entirely subjective.

A historical list of premiers in a single continuous competition (in this case, VFL/AFL from 1897 to today) is an entirely objective plain list. There doesn't need to be any value attached to a flag in 1897 as a means to compare it to a flag in 2023, because that's irrelevant. The only relevant number is each flag = 1.

People can attach their own subjective value to a flag if they please but it belongs nowhere near the list itself.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Why do people feel the need to apply any official "worth" to a flag? That's entirely subjective.

A historical list of premiers in a single continuous competition (in this case, VFL/AFL from 1897 to today) is an entirely objective plain list. There doesn't need to be any value attached to a flag in 1897 as a means to compare it to a flag in 2023, because that's irrelevant. The only relevant number is each flag = 1.

People can attach their own subjective value to a flag if they please but it belongs nowhere near the list itself.

Port Adelaide in 1914 in the SANFL were absolutely a better team than Carlton that won the flag, and were the best team in Australia that year, without question and debate.

Despite also beating Carlton in an end-of-season match, that doesn't take away from Carlton's 16 flags, because it was a different competition, and the VFL/AFL has a continuous history over time.

If we're cutting off modern flags, arguments can be made with cutting off old flags as it relates to war, the introduction of zoning (both metro and country) professionalism, etc. etc. which is just as silly as not counting a modern flag.

Agreed, people can attach their subjective value but it doesn't change an objective list.