Sydney firm as favorites for Mark Seaby

[DST]

Seaby's age will count against him. Jolly had shown a bit, and was only 23. Wood was only 20 and had shown plenty for a 20 year old. Seaby has shown bits and pieces, but by 25 should have cemented his spot in his side, which he quite simply hasn't. When Jolly and Wood were drafted, they were drafted as potential stars. Seaby will never get to that point. The best he'll be is a solid second ruckman, and that would require an improvement from his current form. So yeah, there's no way he'll attract that sort of attention.

Based on his age, experience and the currency of ruckman under previous trades then Seaby is clearly an early second rounder (18 to 22).

We are on record as not going to trade our pick 6 or 23. so trading for Seaby by the Swans is very unlikely.

They may look at him as PSD target if it gets to that, but I don't see it happening with other clubs willing to trade for a ruckman this year or for next year.

DST

 

[dajesmac]

Seaby's age will count against him. Jolly had shown a bit, and was only 23. Wood was only 20 and had shown plenty for a 20 year old. Seaby has shown bits and pieces, but by 25 should have cemented his spot in his side, which he quite simply hasn't. When Jolly and Wood were drafted, they were drafted as potential stars. Seaby will never get to that point. The best he'll be is a solid second ruckman, and that would require an improvement from his current form. So yeah, there's no way he'll attract that sort of attention.

Nah, ruckmen are well known for developing later. 25 he should be starting to hit his stride, but has suffered from lack of opportunities.

 

[BarneyBent]

Nah, ruckmen are well known for developing later. 25 he should be starting to hit his stride, but has suffered from lack of opportunities.

You're right, he should be hitting his stride. Big problem is, he's NOT. And it's not for lack of opportunities. Lynch and Naitanui (don't get me wrong, brilliant prospect, but he's still very raw, and even the most biased WC supporter would admit his overall output hasn't been all that great despite showing obvious potential) were selected as ruckmen ahead of him. Cox has been injured for half the season, and WC were screaming for an experienced ruckman to step up and take control. Seaby couldn't. For a guy that is meant to be entering the prime of his career, that is not a good sign.

 

[liz]

Nah, ruckmen are well known for developing later. 25 he should be starting to hit his stride, but has suffered from lack of opportunities.

See, this is where I get confused with the argument that Seaby is a great back-up ruckman. Cox missed nearly half the season, including the last 8 games. Yet Seaby was only picked in two of those games while Cox was out. Surely this was a great opportunity for West Coast to sell his wares as a competent ruckman to the rest of the competition. It's hardly as if his request to leave is a surprise, given he also begged to be traded at the end of last season so as to get more opportunities.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

See, this is where I get confused with the argument that Seaby is a great back-up ruckman. Cox missed nearly half the season, including the last 8 games. Yet Seaby was only picked in two of those games while Cox was out. Surely this was a great opportunity for West Coast to sell his wares as a competent ruckman to the rest of the competition. It's hardly as if his request to leave is a surprise, given he also begged to be traded at the end of last season so as to get more opportunities.

No different to guys like chad fletcher, bowden, simmonds warming the pine either. They aren't in the plans for next year and while you have kids to get games into - those players don't get a look in.

a couple of schools of though - Seaby as a 21-23 year old looked a bloody good ruckman and formed the best ruck pair in the country. but the past 24 months he has been poor.

He has ability - but unless there are a couple of clubs that want him - he'll go for chump change.

However - and i'm sure it is just random speculation by the journo - but if a player is offered $1m over 3 years - then you'd think they'd be worth something on the trade table (ignoring the PSD shanghai of course)

 

[yaco55]

Nah, ruckmen are well known for developing later. 25 he should be starting to hit his stride, but has suffered from lack of opportunities.

Lack of opportunities !

He has fallen to the 4th string ruckman behind Cox, Lynch ( who is not a ruckman ) and Natanui.

Third Rounder at best.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

The problem is; he's not a backup ruckman. He needs a lot of TOG and constant games to reach his best form. Lynch was far more appropriate as the backup because he's capable of playing in almost every position on the ground. Once it was obvious Naitanui was good enough to lead, there just wasn't any logical reason to play Seaby.

For what it's worth, Seaby (West Perth) outclassed Naitanui and Spaanderman(?) (Swan Districts) on the weekend just gone.

 

[Generic Poster]

Seaby is virtually worthless IMO, but ruckmen tend to be traded for more that what they are worht.

 

[dlanod]

Hmm not sure. I'll have a dig around.

Not sure about Jolly but Wood definitely was, so there were no PSD threats floating around (other than on BF by the usual laughable suspects).

 

[keviewiggle]

Seaby is virtually worthless IMO, but ruckmen tend to be traded for more that what they are worht.

Way off the mark with Seaby.
Is one of the most valuable players that are on the move this year.
Will attract pleanty of attention.
He is a quality ruckman. A premiership ruckman.
There is next to no Ruck prospects except mybe Vardy in the draft this year.
At 25 years of age don't be surprised to see 5 or 6 clubs vie for Seabys services.
There will be more business done in trade week than ever before.
Watch this space.

 

[keviewiggle]

Seaby is virtually worthless IMO, but ruckmen tend to be traded for more that what they are worht.

What is a worht?
Maybe you mean a Wart.
Just for the record .....How many games have you watched Seaby play?
St Kilda for nearly a decade have believed that Ruckmen are not essential to the game of Aussie rules. When you finally woke up you went out and recruited 2 has beens who you needle up to get on the field.
Seaby will still be running around in the AFL long after King and Gardiner are gone.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Can he play as a KPD?

 

[Caj]

No different to guys like chad fletcher, bowden, simmonds warming the pine either. They aren't in the plans for next year and while you have kids to get games into - those players don't get a look in.

Um yes it is - 2 of these 3 have retired and wont be on a list in 2010, and Simmonds ahs 1 more season in him max

Seaby on the other hand is 25 and in the prime of his career. If he was any good he would be getting a game

 

[Parasite]

While he is an easy target, dont overstate his crapness guys... had an awesome BOG display in his wafl final yesterday... 24 possies and 27 hitouts

Yeah, but you have to factor in his opposition. He only had some dorky lookin' Fijian crusty the clown to go up against, so really it wasn't worth much.

 

[Bloods]

Based on his age, experience and the currency of ruckman under previous trades then Seaby is clearly an early second rounder (18 to 22).

Clearly an early 2nd rounder by backside. A ruckman who is fully fit and can't get a game in a team in the bottom half of the ladder, when their number one ruckman is out of action is not worth an early second rounder.

 

[keviewiggle]

Clearly an early 2nd rounder by backside. A ruckman who is fully fit and can't get a game in a team in the bottom half of the ladder, when their number one ruckman is out of action is not worth an early second rounder.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
No wonder you are not in charge of Sydney Recruiting.

 

[Bloods]

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
No wonder you are not in charge of Sydney Recruiting.

Rubbish.
You think we'll offer our second round pick for an uncontracted player who would be our second ruckman at best.

Dreaming.

 

[dees 4 life]

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
No wonder you are not in charge of Sydney Recruiting.

You my friend are a fool. If you think Seaby (who is a hack by the way) will demand a early 2nd round pick then you are dreaming.

He doesn't even get a game for you guys, who are probably a bottom 4 team (i know you finished higher).

 

[Kram]

Based on his age, experience and the currency of ruckman under previous trades then Seaby is clearly an early second rounder (18 to 22).

lol.

No, just no.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The three sides most likely to be interested in Seaby, Sydney, Port and Hawthorn, have picks 22, 24 and 25 respectively.

We should be able to get one of those picks for Seaby and our pick 39.

 

[FrankenLynch]

You my friend are a fool. If you think Seaby (who is a hack by the way) will demand a early 2nd round pick then you are dreaming.

He doesn't even get a game for you guys, who are probably a bottom 4 team (i know you finished higher).

Its been said time and time again, Seaby was not played in the second half of the season because he had demanded a trade and would not form part of the Eagles team next year. This is exactly the same logic as not playing a player that is retiring.

FWIW I often got frustrated watching Seaby play and he's definately no world-beater, however I think judging by his performances playing full games in the WAFL, he would perform better at a team where he is required to do the majority of the ruck work. How much better remains to be seen but if you were a club with a major ruck deficiency, it would be worth a gamble providing the price was fair.

 

[High Ryder]

Could see Essendon being slightly interested, rucking Hooker and NLM in a final should never happen again.

 

[keviewiggle]

You my friend are a fool. If you think Seaby (who is a hack by the way) will demand a early 2nd round pick then you are dreaming.

He doesn't even get a game for you guys, who are probably a bottom 4 team (i know you finished higher).

You must believe most of the crap written about Seaby on BF to make such a stupid or uninformed comment.
The prefered stance on Seaby at WCE is he stays on our list.
Unlike a few stupid kids on the WCE BF site the club holds him in high regard.
It is not Seabys bad form that keeps him out of the side.
It is the fact that Cox did 90% of the ruckwork and the need to find a spot for Lynch that Seaby found himself at West Perth. Lynch was more versatile and was part of the midfield rotation. Lynch will finish in the top 3 in our B&F.
Half way during the season Seaby made it known to the club he would be seeking a trade so when Cox went down they took the opportunity to play Natanui. You can bet your life that Seaby would have been leading the ruck if we had been vieing for a finals berth. Seaby is in the same boat Cox was when Gardiner led the ruck at the Eagles a few years ago.
Seaby has averaged over 20 possessions a game and over 30 knockouts in the WAFL.
With the derth of ruckstocks in the upcoming draft and even fewer coming through the under 16s Clubs are going to be looking everywhere, including the basketball comps to score players in the next few years.
Seaby at 25 yoa is set to step into the no 1 ruck spot for some AFL team.
Even if you don't know this ,I'm sure your clubs recruiting staff are more knowledgable than you on his credientals and performances this year and in the past.
My preference is that he stays at the Eagles but that's being greedy.

 

[anti_]

roos isnt an idiot, seaby isnt as bad a player as portrayed on here.

he could easily hold the no.1 position at a club. great tap work, contested marks and useful up forward.

he's better than jolly was at melbourne. now jolly is a fantastic player.

lets not forget sydney gave up a 1st rounder to essendon for ted richards..

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Could see Essendon being slightly interested, rucking Hooker and NLM in a final should never happen again.

Yes but it only happened because the fates conspired to make all of Hille, Ryder, Laycock and Bellchambers unavailable.

If all those blokes are going to be right for next year then I can't see Essendon looking for another ruck.