Sydney retaining star players for less money than other rivals. Good culture or salary cap cheating?

[SM]

Did I suggest that?

I have no idea what you're suggesting which is why I've asked you to explain yourself, something you've proven incapable of doing.

 

[Chism]

Good work by the Swans IMO and not surprising a lot of players choose to be at a current team that is going well than take big money to play at a crap team in front of shit crowds etc.

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has reportedly knocked back massive money from a few teams to stay on considerably less.

Swans have done nothing wrong and have also had players squezzed out in the past like Dawson / Hewitt / Kennedy etc among others. Maybe Warner is next and who knows.

 

[bzparkes]

I have no idea what you're suggesting which is why I've asked you to explain yourself, something you've proven incapable of doing.

Are you dumb?

 

[SM]

Are you dumb?

Charming.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Fair enough. Not every team has large tracts of scrub on sale for a song, yet only a few years away from being rezoned into prime suburban real estate.

Geelong's infamous Costa Living Allowance

Carlton's cardboard dividend

Quite novel players re-signing to play for a team right in the window and with a young list and willing to knock back bigger $ at much lesser clubs. I'm sure this novel idea will be discussed by the three monkeys tonight on Mid-week Tackle

At least we play a straight game here at the Crows, offer 10 year deals on big money but get knocked back because we don't look like ever getting out of No Man's Land.

 

[bzparkes]

Charming.

Well, you're trying to be a smartarse over a simply explained concept of a club owning staff accommodation, like plenty of other business around the country do.

 

[The Tilt]

No rich supporters around who can put them up in a house?

Club can't afford to buy houses as staff accommodation and put them up there??

What good would that do? Do you not think that free accommodation would need to be accounted for within the soft cap anyway?

 

[bzparkes]

What good would that do? Do you not think that free accommodation would need to be accounted for within the soft cap anyway?

Why would it?

Do players renting for cheaper in club/member provided housing have to declare it under the soft cap?

If the club isn't spending money(hotel accommodation, paying for the rent themselves, etc), then it's simply someone living in an investment property and not a football expense.

There's other ways for the clubs to get creative, other than asking for an unfair competitive advantage.

 

[SM]

Well, you're trying to be a smartarse over a simply explained concept of a club owning staff accommodation, like plenty of other business around the country do.

So when I suggested the club buy housing and you came back with "Did I suggest that?" what you really meant was "Yes SM that's what I'm saying"

 

[SM]

Why would it?

Do players renting for cheaper in club/member provided housing have to declare it under the soft cap?

If the club isn't spending money(hotel accommodation, paying for the rent themselves, etc), then it's simply someone living in an investment property and not a football expense.

There's other ways for the clubs to get creative, other than asking for an unfair competitive advantage.

Can I ask how it becomes an unfair advantage if what you're proposing is precisely the same thing, just outside the cap, when all we're asking is that we spend that money inside the cap?

 

[HairyO]

What good would that do? Do you not think that free accommodation would need to be accounted for within the soft cap anyway?

CLubs have had family let young players stay with them forever.

Its not a stretch to believe players get rent deals.

 

[bzparkes]

Can I ask how it becomes an unfair advantage if what you're proposing is precisely the same thing, just outside the cap, when all we're asking is that we spend that money inside the cap?

Because it's not the same thing?

How do we know that Northern clubs don't already have plans to move staff into free accommodation, then use that extra money to poach people from other clubs?

If the cost of living is the issue, then reduce that instead, rather than having the means to offer people from rival clubs a higher salary that other clubs simply cannot match.

 

[Cyclops]

Sydney has a great culture. "No DHs" and crashed cars and all that.

Joker aside they look set for a few years of finals. Very understandable blokes hungry for success would stay for less.

Also many players prefer a long deal to short term high pay, eg Taylor Adams

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got 2+ at Sydney, Pies offered him 1 IIRC. Smart move TayTay and good on him.

 

[Chism]

Geelong's infamous Costa Living Allowance

Carlton's cardboard dividend

Quite novel players re-signing to play for a team right in the window and with a young list and willing to knock back bigger $ at much lesser clubs. I'm sure this novel idea will be discussed by the three monkeys tonight on Mid-week Tackle

At least we play a straight game here at the Crows, offer 10 year deals on big money but get knocked back because we don't look like ever getting out of No Man's Land.

Crows supporters!

 

[Giant Pete]

I can’t believe there hasn’t been a deep dive done by a respectable journo around player contracts, salary caps and the ‘grey areas’.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I can’t believe there hasn’t been a deep dive done by a respectable journo around player contracts, salary caps and the ‘grey areas’.

Because it would upset all the clubs and they would struggle to ever get information again

 

[SM]

Because it's not the same thing?

How do we know that Northern clubs don't already have plans to move staff into free accommodation, then use that extra money to poach people from other clubs?

If the cost of living is the issue, then reduce that instead, rather than having the means to offer people from rival clubs a higher salary that other clubs simply cannot match.

My God you're delusional.

 

[bzparkes]

My God you're delusional.

So, no counterpoint to what I said?

Guess that proves Swans definitely have no need of COLA then.

 

[Greg Brady]

Geelong's infamous Costa Living Allowance

Carlton's cardboard dividend

Quite novel players re-signing to play for a team right in the window and with a young list and willing to knock back bigger $ at much lesser clubs. I'm sure this novel idea will be discussed by the three monkeys tonight on Mid-week Tackle

At least we play a straight game here at the Crows, offer 10 year deals on big money but get knocked back because we don't look like ever getting out of No Man's Land.

Aren't you one of the most recent clubs to actually get done salary cap cheating? (K Tippett).

 

[SM]

So, no counterpoint to what I said?

Guess that proves Swans definitely have no need of COLA then.

My counterpoint is that the coaches in Sydney are living out of camper vans or have their families living down in Victoria. If you think the Swans and GWS are forcing them to do this as part of a dastardly plan to add a dozen coaches to their retinue from Vic clubs out of nowhere then you're living in cuckoo land.

 

[bzparkes]

My counterpoint is that the coaches in Sydney are living out of camper vans or have their families living down in Victoria. If you think the Swans and GWS are forcing them to do this as part of a dastardly plan to add a dozen coaches to their retinue from Vic clubs out of nowhere then you're living in cuckoo land.

Well, you've done nothing with this post other than prove you completely missed my point

 

[SM]

Well, you've done nothing with this post other than prove you completely missed my point

Yeah.. no.

 

[btdg]

Step 1: Player agent is negotiating a new contract with club

Step 2: Agent leaks to the media that other clubs are interested and offering ridiculous sums of money

Step 3: Media calls clubs who confirm peripheral details. Yes, Carlton would like Haywood on their list. Yes, we agree it would have to be a huge offer to get him to move. No, we haven't made that offer but it seems about right'.

Step 4: Media runs big clickbait story "Carlton interested in Swans forward... offers could be as high as $7.2m per year for 143 years" (all true)

Step 5: Original club makes slightly revised offer with 1 extra year and 5% higher salary

Step 6: player accepts offer. Everyone celebrates them for taking less to win. Media reports

Everyone wins in this scenario. Such a great game to play each time it happens 300 times per year.

 

[bzparkes]

Yeah.. no.

People on $150k+ don't need extra allowances, when their employer is well-resourced enough to help them out.

I don't see major retention issues affecting either Sydney club, so neither need COLA.

 

[SM]

People on $150k+ don't need extra allowances, when their employer is well-resourced enough to help them out.

I don't see major retention issues affecting either Sydney club, so neither need COLA.

You're dreaming if you think 150k is enough to afford digs in Sydney. Delusional.

Do you reckon it's just a coincidence that most of the assistants just flex between the two clubs?