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Bazzar said:
Yep, Tambling can’t tackle .

Only Foley and Tuck had more tackles in season 2008. Shame on him, a measly 72 for the year.
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one armed tackles dont count, if u watched games youd note his tackles are non effective.

very very dissapointed in todays performance, was digusting actually and if he's not dropped for that then wallace needs to be dropped as well
 

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Bazzar said:
Appears Champion Data should sack their highly paid stats man as he has no idea, and appoint you to the position as you know better than him about what constitutes an effective tackle.
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Put this to you Bazzar?

Why do you think he tackles so much yet doesnt get much of the ball?

He is a re-active ball watcher, if you're not going for the ball, you have to tackle. The sheer volume of his attemtps make those figures plumper than they should be
 
Bazzar said:
Appears Champion Data should sack their highly paid stats man as he has no idea, and appoint you to the position as you know better than him about what constitutes an effective tackle.
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haha they can stick their CD stats up their arse, i see what i see and i've seen tambling lay ineffective tackle after ineffective one armed tackle for a long time.


keep your head up ur arse if u want mate *shrugs*
 
There was talk of Tambling not being 100% after his partner gave birth 72 hours ago and he hasn't slept...

Sorry, but that doesn't cut it with me. If he wasn't 100% - HE SHOULD NOT HAVE PLAYED. Put in a kid who actually wants to be there and give him a go rather than risk a senior player who isn't in peak condition, especially against a top side like the Dogs.

ARRGGH!!!!
 
bazzar you boof head,open your eyes mate,bling has no heart and will never be any good,if he was so tired then he shouldnt of payed and the coaching staff shouldnt of played him,enough excuses for the lazy ____
 
give the kid a break hes still pretty young and sure, he had a disappointing performance today but give him time and he'll be tearing up the AFL he just needs to find his feet.
 
Goldust said:
Hawkers ... that's because we really haven't developed too many players at all. Look at the experienced group of players. Richo and Bowden were both father-son picks ... that is, they pure and simply landed in our laps. Others who have played significant amounts of games - Brown, Simmonds, Johnson - all arrived via other clubs.
Others to have played plenty of games for us in recent times, such as gaspar and Stafford, all started elsewhere and played a lot of games at their previous club.
The only guy we have drafted in the past decade or more who went on to palay a high number of games was Mark Chaffey. Now, hardly a household name, albeit he was solid.
Our attempts at developing players have been woeful. The draft that delivered both Deledio and Tambling, we had five picks in the top 20. Only Deledio has lived up to the hype. Tambling has been above average, but no more. Meyer is gone, Polo has struggled and Pattison is a battler who gets the best out of himself. But I don't think it's possible that we could have stuffed up four out of five selections that early in a draft. Just not possible. Developing talent is where the fault lies!!
I look at this list of players and ask myself, who will be still runing around for us in say six to eight years time from the current crop of players at Tigerland.
I would suggest Cotchin is a sure bet, ditto for Riewoldt and Deledio and then I'd struggle to give you another name.
That's ordinary but the truth!!!
We struggle developing. Another thing I will say is we have a guy on the list who has big wraps on him here on Big Footy who goes by the name of Collins. Now this guy has been on our list, what for three years, yet we haven't seen him at senior level.
That's alarming. 1. We either are having trouble helping him make the grade, or 2. he plain ain't good enough (which I don't believe). Now, don't you find that strange? I sure do!!!
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so how much of the blame for the recruitment and development lands with the coach? i am a pretty big critic of wallace as i dont rate him at all, but with all the coaches involved at club level these days, where does the buck stop. ultimately as history shows the coach is generally the first to go. should the head of the football department also be held accountable, as well as the people in charge of recruiting? it is often easier to sack a coach and to an extent make them the scapegoat for failures when the problems at a particular club run quite deep. there have been a lot of cases where players perform at a particular level at one club only to switch clubs and have their output change dramatically, whether for better or worse. development programs play a big role in this. again not too many recruits that arrive at the tigers raise their game to a new level.
as much as i dislike wallaces' style and methods, i get the feeling a lot of the problems were already there.
 

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HAWKERS91 said:
so how much of the blame for the recruitment and development lands with the coach? i am a pretty big critic of wallace as i dont rate him at all, but with all the coaches involved at club level these days, where does the buck stop. ultimately as history shows the coach is generally the first to go. should the head of the football department also be held accountable, as well as the people in charge of recruiting? it is often easier to sack a coach and to an extent make them the scapegoat for failures when the problems at a particular club run quite deep. there have been a lot of cases where players perform at a particular level at one club only to switch clubs and have their output change dramatically, whether for better or worse. development programs play a big role in this. again not too many recruits that arrive at the tigers raise their game to a new level.
as much as i dislike wallaces' style and methods, i get the feeling a lot of the problems were already there.
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Full clean out is required. List, coaches, board, medicos, all of it. We may be shit for another 5 years but we actually might get on the right track towards a premiership this way.
 
Barnzy said:
Full clean out is required. List, coaches, board, medicos, all of it. We may be shit for another 5 years but we actually might get on the right track towards a premiership this way.
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Barnzy, apart from Wallace and his assistants, which medicos and board members need to go and why? Im interested in your assesment of them.
 
Bazzar said:
Barnzy, apart from Wallace and his assistants, which medicos and board members need to go and why? Im interested in your assesment of them.
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You're seriously going to go down this road? Okay then....

Medicos:

Cousins go back on the field after complaining of soreness even when we were 10 goals down and game was shot. Does his hammy.

Coughlan: He has been poorly managed over his career. Sending him to Germany for hamstring treatment which is meant to get you back playing AFL quickly. He hasn't played for 2 years so I don't see why that was necessary as that was months and months ago. Waste of money and not the right path to take, we didn't need him back quickly we needed him to heal properly.

Cotchin: Worst of them all, letting a young upcoming star overdo it in the preseason is just shocking for paid 'professionals'. I'm sure you will come back with the 'They couldn't stop him' line but that is B.S. They should be in constant contact with injured players and should let them know their limitations.

Assistant Coaches: They need to go as they have been working with Wallace long enough now to be sucked into his plague of amateurishness. Don't care if they're any good, need a total revamp. New faces down at the club to show the players we are serious about developing a premiership side. F*** us around and you're gone. Wayne Campbell was a soft player who picked up cheap possessions, exactly how our players play, how coincidental. Our development coaches have to go, this is one of the areas we are worst in. High draft picks turn into duds, seemingly with all the talent in the world, few years later, gone. Good riddance, Craig Mcrae and Jade Rawlings.
 
Barnzy said:
Full clean out is required. List, coaches, board, medicos, all of it. We may be shit for another 5 years but we actually might get on the right track towards a premiership this way.
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i agree completely. the painful thing for tiger fans is that it cant/wont happen all at once. wallace at this stage doesnt look like getting another contract so hyperthetically you would end up with new assistants also. the new coach and the board have to then make drastic changes to the area of player development. whilst not being a tiger supporter (my wife is), i do take a bit of interest in them. from where i sit the recruitment and development departments at richmond have just as much to answer for as wallace
 
Barnzy said:
You're seriously going to go down this road? Okay then....

Medicos:

Cousins go back on the field after complaining of soreness even when we were 10 goals down and game was shot. Does his hammy.
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Never mind that he's said it was his knee that was sore, and that he told the medicos he was fine to go back on, and that it's a DIFFERENT part of his hamstring.

I'm sure you're right.

Coughlan: He has been poorly managed over his career. Sending him to Germany for hamstring treatment which is meant to get you back playing AFL quickly. He hasn't played for 2 years so I don't see why that was necessary as that was months and months ago. Waste of money and not the right path to take, we didn't need him back quickly we needed him to heal properly.
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Never mind that it actually got him back on the track when nothing else did, and he considers it a great thing.

I'm sure you're right.

Cotchin: Worst of them all, let a young upcoming star overdo it in the preseason is just shocking for paid 'professionals'. I'm sure you will come back with the 'They couldn't stop him' line but that is B.S. They should be in constant contact with injured players and should let them know their limitations.
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I too blame the club - they should have employed someone to be with him 24/7 to make sure he did the right thing.

I'm sure you're right.

Assistant Coaches: They need to go as they have been working with Wallace long enough now to be sucked into his plauge of amatureness. Don't care if they're any good, need a total revamp.
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Good point, just kick over the tables, don't worry if they're any good.

New faces down at the club to show the players we are serious about developing a premiership side. F*** us around and you're gone.
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Yep, great idea. Set everything back years by starting completely from scratch, whether it's needed or not. Don't bother trying to work out what is ACTUALLY good or bad, just toss it all out.

Genius, but I'm sure you're right.
 
actually MJ if you watch a replay you'll see that the lower part of the hammy was being worked on by the doc at 3/4 time and that is the very part of the hammy that went..... dont mistake a player doing his duty and sticking up for the club as gospel.

It was mismanaged end of story, hes just coming back from a long layoff underdone, we're 10 goals down FFS NO RISKS
 
Barnzy said:
You're seriously going to go down this road? Okay then....

Medicos:

Cousins go back on the field after complaining of soreness even when we were 10 goals down and game was shot. Does his hammy.

It has been well and truly established the initial trouble wasn’t hamstring related. A coincidence.

Coughlan: He has been poorly managed over his career. Sending him to Germany for hamstring treatment which is meant to get you back playing AFL quickly. He hasn't played for 2 years so I don't see why that was necessary as that was months and months ago. Waste of money and not the right path to take, we didn't need him back quickly we needed him to heal properly.

Poorly managed? And slipping over in the shower was the medicos fault? His hammies have been good since returning from Germany. He is now fine, should be back in 2 weeks.

Cotchin: Worst of them all, let a young upcoming star overdo it in the preseason is just shocking for paid 'professionals'. I'm sure you will come back with the 'They couldn't stop him' line but that is B.S. They should be in constant contact with injured players and should let them know their limitations.

Cotch is training full tilt with the main group. He is so far fine. All reports were it would have happened at any club and our medical staff cannot be held responsible. Boys Achilles in a mans body is how Doc Larkin explained it. You tell me what club has had an injury free season/pre-season?



Assistant Coaches: They need to go as they have been working with Wallace long enough now to be sucked into his plague of amateurishness. Don't care if they're any good, need a total revamp. New faces down at the club to show the players we are serious about developing a premiership side. F*** us around and you're gone. Wayne Campbell was a soft player who picked up cheap possessions, exactly how our players play, how coincidental. Our development coaches have to go, this is one of the areas we are worst in. High draft picks turn into duds, seemingly with all the talent in the world, few years later, gone. Good riddance, Craig Mcrae and Jade Rawlings.

Campbell, what has he done wrong since coming over from the Doggies? And what is wrong with McCrae? And forgive me, but I was under the impression Rawlings was doing a super job with the Burgers.
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Barnzy said:
I know I'm right. Attitudes like yours is exactly why we are 10 years down the track from Frawley and still shit. Lets ignore the problems and pretend everything is rosy.
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I'm sure that you're sure that you're right.

However, your complete inability to defend your position makes me think that you're better at babies and bathwater than actually doing anything constructive.

But hey, as long as it LOOKS like we're doing stuff, right?
 
tony_montana said:
actually MJ if you watch a replay you'll see that the lower part of the hammy was being worked on by the doc at 3/4 time and that is the very part of the hammy that went..... dont mistake a player doing his duty and sticking up for the club as gospel.
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I was at the game, I was watching it, I've talked to the relevant people. I'm not just taking his word for it at all.

It was mismanaged end of story, hes just coming back from a long layoff underdone, we're 10 goals down FFS NO RISKS
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So ... he says he's OK, but we put him in cottonwool on the basis that something might happen. Gotta say that doesn't tell us much at all, does it? When do we actually find out what happens when he's playing under duress? In a match where it counts, rather than one that's already lost?
 

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