News Taylor Adams coming to Pies? Hine: "Yeah, I think so"

[Jonno94]

The papers reporting the same story 12 times is creating a snowball where it seems like the situation is getting worse. Nothing to worry about unless they've spent the weekend talking and nothing's changed

Hopefully it gets resolved sooner rather than later! We are on page 135 after a month...

 

[Jelly Bean]

We need to start figuring out how to front load Adam's contract (and shorten it a la the Luke Ball swindle) so that we can Adams in a draft (preferably PSD, or if not, then with pick 67). We then look to trade Shaw to Geelong for pick 16 or so.

 

[jimmy35]

How do you propose to get him past, say a Melbourne, in the PSD?

 

[the distributer]

Relax guys, come Friday GWS will swallow what we give them to swallow.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Surprises me they haven't gone after Obrien and thrown in a pick or player to us. He'd be good for them and he is expendable for us given what they want to do with the list.

Anyway be staggered if doesn't get done bc they want Shaw and neither the cats or blues could give them players GWS would want I suspect. Varcoe, Lucas, Bootsma etc won't cut it for Adams. GWS also don't want more picks so they are in a corner and given missed Buddy they can't miss again.

 

[Jelly Bean]

How do you propose to get him past, say a Melbourne, in the PSD?

Yeah, I agree it would be a challenge... our only chance would be to manipulate the asking price so much that it puts other clubs off (and then we can write his second contract down to make the overall life more reasonable). Melbourne wouldn't pay $600k a year for him, for example.

Having said that, i think our actual best chance would be through the ND, as a lot of clubs will be looking to get out early. For example, if he survives past 21, then GWS can't reselect him, etc. For this to happen, we would need to a) send Shaw to Geelong (so they are no longer a threat for Adams) and b) acquire an intermediate pick (e.g. late 30s) with which to pick up Adams.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I can't see a third party getting involved. Why would GWS try to swap picks to secure a pick #14, just to trade with us for pick #10? Is there really that big a difference between #10 and #14 to GWS? Does it impart some tangible advantage in the neverending quest to pick up talented youth, fail in developing them due to a lack of senior teammates, and have them return home to Vic in 2 years to resurrect their careers?

If it wasn't GWS I could understand it more easily. However when you've had 20-plus first round selections on your list, the difference between #14 and #10 seems pretty negligible.

Straight swap or GTFO.

Oh, and I do agree with Baltimore Jack in that at the trade table at least it's not necessarily a loss for either club if the straight swap doesn't happen. However in terms of GWS being taken seriously as a football club, when they are based in a very competitive market in Western Sydney, and avoiding embarrassment after announcing Shaw's "signing" on their website, after missing out on Buddy... they really need to get some names to the club.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Relax guys, come Friday GWS will swallow what we give them to swallow.

Props for the Shawshank reference.

 

[jimmy35]

Yeah, I agree it would be a challenge... our only chance would be to manipulate the asking price so much that it puts other clubs off (and then we can write his second contract down to make the overall life more reasonable). Melbourne wouldn't pay $600k a year for him, for example.

Having said that, i think our actual best chance would be through the ND, as a lot of clubs will be looking to get out early. For example, if he survives past 21, then GWS can't reselect him, etc. For this to happen, we would need to a) send Shaw to Geelong (so they are no longer a threat for Adams) and b) acquire an intermediate pick (e.g. late 30s) with which to pick up Adams.

So no one would deem him valuable enough to pick him before we do at some pick in the 30's?
I'd suggest if he's headed for the ND Geelong wont be taking Shaw in trade week they'll pick Adams instead.

I cannot see any possible scenario that's not fanciful where he would get to us in a draft.
Won't need to anyway I'd suggest GWS and the Pies will do the trade one day soon

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I cannot see any possible scenario that's not fanciful where he would get to us in a draft.
Won't need to anyway I'd suggest GWS and the Pies will do the trade one day soon

That's what I've been thinking, but this article was interesting regarding GWS playing hardball with the Saints over Josh Bruce;

Bruce negotiations stalling
St Kilda and Greater Western Sydney are yet to reach agreement about a suitable price for young key defender Josh Bruce.

News Limited reports that the Giants are asking for Sam Fisher plus a draft pick for the 21-year-old, who has played 14 senior games.

The Saints are said to be offering only pick 41, with Fisher not on the table, and will be prepared to secure Bruce via the pre-season draft if GWS does not accept that deal.

How is it that the Saints expect to be able to pick up Bruce in the PSD, given GWS can set themselves up to have a pick in advance of St Kilda? Or is it 2 + 2 = 34 by the reporter?

 

[year of the cat]

We need to start figuring out how to front load Adam's contract (and shorten it a la the Luke Ball swindle) so that we can Adams in a draft (preferably PSD, or if not, then with pick 67). We then look to trade Shaw to Geelong for pick 16 or so.

2 points:

1. Adams won't go into the PSD. Either he will be traded to you guys (still most likely scenario) or if that falls down he'll be traded to us.

2. We won't trade our first rounder for Shaw either. It appears that he'll either go to GWS or come back to Collingwood.

 

[Pedro]

2 points:

1. Adams won't go into the PSD. Either he will be traded to you guys (still most likely scenario) or if that falls down he'll be traded to us.

2. We won't trade our first rounder for Shaw either. It appears that he'll either go to GWS or come back to Collingwood.

Quite happy with either of those scenarios. We don't have anything left to offer GWS if they want more than just Shaw. Straight swap or keep. I think by doing the deal with WCE and Sydney, thats exactly what Hine has in mind

 

[blaze036]

The trade will be adams - shaw with maybe some late picks throw in on wednesday-friday of next week.

GWS really want shaw and we really want adams, it will happen CHILL OUT GUYS !

 

[The Royal Sampler]

The trade will be adams - shaw with maybe some late picks throw in on wednesday-friday of next week.

GWS really want shaw and we really want adams, it will happen CHILL OUT GUYS !

Late as in #67? Because neither team has any late picks of merit anymore.

 

[year of the cat]

Quite happy with either of those scenarios. We don't have anything left to offer GWS if they want more than just Shaw. Straight swap or keep. I think by doing the deal with WCE and Sydney, thats exactly what Hine has in mind

I think so. Going to be fascinating to see the machinations of this week - whether one team blinks first or whether it falls in a heap and we come back into the frame. Either way, it appears that Hine has attributed a certain value to Adams and he won't pay over that (yet anyway).

 

[ksardog]

We now only have two picks that we will use in the draft. Hine has made it clear that he thinks this is a shallow draft and we can also see that with the trading of our second and third round picks.

Hine will not trade pick 6 or 10 therefore making the trade for Adams really tough. I can't honestly see how that trade can be done unless it's a straight swap for Shaw and I can't see that happening. In order for the Adams-Shaw deal to go through one club would be getting ripped off one way or another, GWS might ask for a player like Blair but I am not in the mood to lose another premiership player and I love Blair.

A deal like Blair and Shaw to GWS for Adams and a 1st round pick could be a deal that could pop up during talks. I think that would be a pretty fair deal for both parties as GWS get 2 premiership players with experience and we get a first round pick and Adams to add to our experienced mid.

I would jump at that, adams and pick 21 or 22 for shaw and blair. Sign me up
Would give us 6,10 and 21/22. Thats potentially bontempelli/freeman, acres and harvey/dumont. Yes please

 

[treestump]

I think so. Going to be fascinating to see the machinations of this week - whether one team blinks first or whether it falls in a heap and we come back into the frame. Either way, it appears that Hine has attributed a certain value to Adams and he won't pay over that (yet anyway).

Agree. I recall GWS proposing two separate, individual trades for Shaw/Adams. It seems that if GWS weren't prepared to accept a straight swap, then our pick 10 would be the only thing we have that would satisfy them. There is no way we would offer #10 for Adams, there seems to be plenty of better alternatives around that pick in the draft.

An interesting hypothetical would be to assign a value for Adams if he were to somehow find himself in this years draft - where would he be taken?

 

[KJpie]

I really couldn't see us getting pick 1, they would want too much.

Apparently their prepared to leave us with the kitchen sink!!!

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

The trade will be adams - shaw with maybe some late picks throw in on wednesday-friday of next week.

GWS really want shaw and we really want adams, it will happen CHILL OUT GUYS !

Blaze,

Why would any of us want to chill out when we can work ourselves into a frenzy of anxiety, speculation and unecessary rage? We're Collingwood supporters, it's what we do.

 

[KJpie]

Correct. Give the appearance that they want players and want to be competitive rather than just hoarding charity picks.

Couldn't imagine GWS trying to sell candy to the AFL.

 

[KJpie]

No thanks 6 and 10 is more like it.

Apart from Wingard picks 6 and 10 are mostly cursed Jonbe.

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

Agree. I recall GWS proposing two separate, individual trades for Shaw/Adams. It seems that if GWS weren't prepared to accept a straight swap, then our pick 10 would be the only thing we have that would satisfy them. There is no way we would offer #10 for Adams, there seems to be plenty of better alternatives around that pick in the draft.

An interesting hypothetical would be to assign a value for Adams if he were to somehow find himself in this years draft - where would he be taken?

It's a good question because it takes it to an argument of experience and exposed form v potential (the debate on worth between Shaw and Adams). In which case, to hazard a guess you'd probably have him anywhere between 6 and 13? His size and skill set make him less attractive than some of the really versatile options emerging in the draft. He may not rate as highly as some of the elite smaller ball winners being touted. Knightmare would put him behind Crouch as a pure inside mid. For all that you'd put him somewhere around the ten mark I'd guess.

 

[blaze036]

Apart from Wingard picks 6 and 10 are mostly cursed Jonbe.

Wingard has reversed the curse, from 2012 onwards pick 6 will always be a superstar

 

[Pedro]

Ahh yes, the curse of Danny Roach, the next Royce Hart.. I'd almost forgotten

No, he was our seperate curse at pick 7 That whole trade/draft scenario should be extinguised from our memories. Complete disaster

 

[treestump]

It's a good question because it takes it to an argument of experience and exposed form v potential (the debate on worth between Shaw and Adams). In which case, to hazard a guess you'd probably have him anywhere between 6 and 13? His size and skill set make him less attractive than some of the really versatile options emerging in the draft. He may not rate as highly as some of the elite smaller ball winners being touted. Knightmare would put him behind Crouch as a pure inside mid. For all that you'd put him somewhere around the ten mark I'd guess.

So how much of a premium do we place on the extra couple of years of development he has? There appear to be other options around #10 with more potential and better physical attributes such as height/size/skill etc..