Bucking Beads
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Most have been a flat pitch considering Hughes was the only player to hit a century on it.
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Most have been a flat pitch considering Hughes was the only player to hit a century on it.
Off the top of my head, I think Boon had four or five chances, but he was one of those guys put on the shortlist at age 15 or something.
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Why do supporters of Hughes refer to his good form in county cricket in 2012? He scored 560 runs at 35.00.
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Context. The pitches were green and the clouds were many. All English commentators I have heard since have said he was very, very good over there.
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Fair enough. Maybe you can provide a bit more context. Was he allowed to face any decent attacks or did he only play against bowling he felt comfortable with?
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Haha, I'm not sure. Either way I think his experiences over there and the fact he did well in both forms can only be viewed as a positive.
Here's the context - County Division 1 Batting Stats - hardly dominant.
Most runs
PlayerMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s
NRD Compton 11 18 6 1191 204* 99.25 2665 44.69 4 7 0 117 5
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CJL Rogers 16 29 2 1086 173 40.22 1892 57.39 3 6 2 131 5
(Middlesex)
V Chopra 16 26 1 1028 195 41.12 2116 48.58 3 5 4 136 0
(Warwickshire)
AG Prince 15 24 1 1008 144 43.82 2030 49.65 2 8 0 84 5
(Lancashire)
CD Nash 16 28 2 984 162 37.84 1529 64.35 3 2 2 132 5
(Sussex)
CMW Read 16 24 4 975 104* 48.75 1710 57.01 1 8 1 124 6
(Nottinghamshire)
JC Hildreth 16 25 3 946 120 43.00 1478 64.00 3 5 1 129 2
(Somerset)
MJ Lumb 14 23 0 910 171 39.56 1992 45.68 3 3 1 126 2
(Nottinghamshire)
JL Denly 16 28 4 840 134* 35.00 1708 49.18 2 4 1 112 5
(Middlesex)
EC Joyce 14 24 3 829 108* 39.47 1849 44.83 2 5 1 110 4
(Sussex)
DJ Malan 16 26 0 827 140 31.80 1668 49.58 2 3 2 102 1
(Middlesex)
AD Hales 15 24 1 797 155* 34.65 1448 55.04 2 4 2 115 1
(Nottinghamshire)
IJ Westwood 12 19 1 771 120 42.83 1866 41.31 2 5 2 94 0
(Warwickshire)
DKH Mitchell 16 30 2 766 133* 27.35 2223 34.45 2 1 1 84 0
(Worcestershire)
R Clarke 16 21 4 760 140 44.70 1207 62.96 3 2 2 87 12
(Warwickshire)
MH Wessels 12 19 0 733 199 38.57 1137 64.46 2 1 1 102 3
(Nottinghamshire)
JO Troughton 15 24 3 733 132 34.90 1663 44.07 2 4 1 71 6
(Warwickshire)
AV Suppiah 16 25 0 728 124 29.12 1293 56.30 2 5 3 100 9
(Somerset)
LWP Wells 14 21 2 713 127 37.52 1764 40.41 2 3 1 102 0
(Sussex)
Z de Bruyn 15 27 0 709 125 26.25 1507 47.04 1 5 3 80 5
(Surrey)
PD Collingwood 13 24 3 697 114 33.19 1406 49.57 1 4 0 89 2
(Durham)
SD Robson 15 28 2 697 72 26.80 1633 42.68 0 4 4 85 0
(Middlesex)
SJ Croft 16 24 1 666 154* 28.95 1224 54.41 2 2 2 67 8
(Lancashire)
C Kieswetter 11 17 4 654 152 50.30 964 67.84 1 2 2 89 11
(Somerset)
PJ Horton 16 25 3 654 137* 29.72 1587 41.20 2 2 4 80 0
(Lancashire)
MM Ali 16 28 3 652 94 26.08 1426 45.72 0 4 1 71 7
(Worcestershire)
NJ Dexter 12 21 2 648 125 34.10 1281 50.58 2 3 2 84 2
(Middlesex)
RJ Burns 9 15 0 640 121 42.66 1310 48.85 1 4 1 81 0
(Surrey)
MD Stoneman 13 24 1 636 114 27.65 1196 53.17 1 2 2 90 2
(Durham)
BA Stokes 13 23 0 625 121 27.17 958 65.24 1 3 3 83 1
(Durham)
TR Ambrose 13 18 4 623 151* 44.50 1174 53.06 1 3 4 79 1
(Warwickshire)
JJ Roy 12 21 2 612 83 32.21 812 75.36 0 3 2 84 8
(Surrey)
JWA Taylor 14 22 3 608 163* 32.00 1379 44.08 1 1 0 70 2
(Nottinghamshire)
PD Trego 16 21 3 600 92 33.33 740 81.08 0 4 0 85 10
(Somerset)
KR Brown 16 25 1 594 78 24.75 1177 50.46 0 3 4 70 3
(Lancashire)
MH Yardy 16 25 2 574 110 24.95 1154 49.74 1 3 1 63 1
(Sussex)
KP Pietersen 4 7 1 572 234* 95.33 588 97.27 2 2 0 71 16
(Surrey)
PJ Hughes 9 17 1 560 135* 35.00 897 62.43 2 2 2 88 2
A stupid choice of words from the selectors suddenly equates to a massive anti-victorian conspiracy theory.
Must be the cricket board in December.
Must be the cricket board in December.
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I think Invers stuffed up massively in his press conference. Either that or they are hopeless. If they have honestly tried to shield Hughes from South Africa they are idiots. It will affect Hughes as well as Quiney and their team mates.
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Given he is our most economical bowler, he must be bowling pies that the opposing batsmen can't score from. If you are gonna say anything about him it is that he is being dangerous enough with the ball.
My take is this...
Hughes is young and has talent and appears to have worked hard to fix his technique with success so far. If he comes off he could be the No 3 for Australia for 8-10 years which is a vital batting role in the team and I think the selectors are hoping he can do the job. Whether he can remains to be seen, good luck to the kid.
Inverarity. Stupid comment to make. Whether he stuffed up what he was trying to explain or let slip some misguided selection theory they had.
Quiney. Has had 3 knocks FFS, got fairly good balls before he was set in 2 of them and laced another down a guys throat (yes he should have hit it to ground). And was selected with not many scores behind him this season (bit like Hughes last time he was picked I think). Bit harsh from those people saying he doesnt have what it takes I think.
Hughes is young and has talent and appears to have worked hard to fix his technique with success so far. If he comes off he could be the No 3 for Australia for 8-10 years which is a vital batting role in the team and I think the selectors are hoping he can do the job. Whether he can remains to be seen, good luck to the kid.
Inverarity. Stupid comment to make. Whether he stuffed up what he was trying to explain or let slip some misguided selection theory they had.
Quiney. Has had 3 knocks FFS, got fairly good balls before he was set in 2 of them and laced another down a guys throat (yes he should have hit it to ground). And was selected with not many scores behind him this season (bit like Hughes last time he was picked I think). Bit harsh from those people saying he doesnt have what it takes I think.
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Economical...forgive me...I thought the most important thing was to take wickets. Hilfy has been rubbish all season.
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Ever heard of bowling in partnerships? Bowling pressure?
Its not all about wickets.
Wickets are the most important factor. Not bleeding runs in the periods when not getting wickets is also important. If both bowlers can keep it tight it builds pressure on the batsmen, particularly modern batsmen who generally like to get on with it. That is one of the big problems with both Mitchells, when the wickets aren't coming the runs start flowing - and the wickets don't come often enough with them either.
I'm not sure I would have picked Hilf in the squad for Hobart; I probably would have had Siddle, Cutting and Bird as the three quicks; but while he wasn't bowling well he wasn't bowling "rubbish" either.
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Actually it is...it is the reason we went to Perth at 0-0.
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Lol, completely besides the point. Please explain to me how keeping the run rate down, and bowling in a partnership isn't important.
And I would argue that the drawn Brisbane test was due to a days lost play. And Adelaide had a lot to do with Pattinson breaking down.
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Adelaide is the perfect one where a wicketaking bowler is needed rather than a tie down an end pie thrower. At the moment Hilfy is a slightly more accurate John Hastings an that is not a compliment. Your front line bowlers should be wicketakers it is that simple. Put Bird in that side and we probably win that test, Pattinson or no Pattinson.
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Just to qualify my position for you: I'm not sure if I would pick Hilf in my XI, but you are completely ignoring the role that he has been playing. You can't have every bowler attacking batsman looking for a wicket every delivery. As Howard said you leak too many runs. Especially at Adelaide where it is very easy to score at a quick pace.
Although he didn't look dangerous, Hilf balanced the attack somewhat.
Although he didn't look dangerous, Hilf balanced the attack somewhat.
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I tend to agree with Bombersno1.
At test level even your stock bowlers need to be able to threaten the batsmen. When Hilfy's techinque is buggered he can't take wickets which actually removes any pressure on the batsmen.
At test level even your stock bowlers need to be able to threaten the batsmen. When Hilfy's techinque is buggered he can't take wickets which actually removes any pressure on the batsmen.
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I'm more talking about his role than Hilf himself, hence I said that I want sure I would pick him. I got sucked into this haha.
People talk about the guy who took 5 fa, not the guy who dried up runs and made the batsman look for runs. Hilf is a pretty average example atm because his technique is shot, and he isn't "looking" overly threatening, but that's not to say that he didn't make a valuable contribution / bowl to plans. Who knows what he had been told to do.
People talk about the guy who took 5 fa, not the guy who dried up runs and made the batsman look for runs. Hilf is a pretty average example atm because his technique is shot, and he isn't "looking" overly threatening, but that's not to say that he didn't make a valuable contribution / bowl to plans. Who knows what he had been told to do.
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Exactly, he is not threatening one bit, he is no more than a 20km quicker Mike Hussey!
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Added more to my above point, I think I'll leave it there 
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Which is why I was amazed they didn't bring Bird in with all those other blokes for the WACA game. He's in better nick than Hilfy and leaks less runs than Siddle and certainly less than Johnson and Starc and is far more dangerous than Hastings. Oh that's right, according to CA and the media it's because he bowls on a friendly home deck... ignoring the fact he averages 22 in the 3 away games.
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