Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[ManWithNoName]

Considering Murphy was fined for this and he is also not alone or the only one..........

Also if you watch the vision of the whole incident Murph was smiling afterwards as soon as his finger went down and the Pies supporters were giving him hell that game prior to that goal, but the fine was correct and he should not have done it.

How Goodes and Jetta can perform their so called " Dance Acts " which mimic throwing spears at people when they do not like a section of a crowd or certain supporters without punishment is setting double standards. The rules that were brought in to stop these crowd inciting acts by players need to apply to every player in AFL regardless of race/color/jumper/shorts/parents/siblings and whatever else excuse one can come up with to justify an on field action that could incite an AFL watching crowd and i could not give a rats arse what color a players skin is that does it or heritage they have etc, as we have 1 set of rules for all AFL players for on field acts that may incite crowds during game play.

A dance is a celebration. Giving the finger is not.

 

[Impunity!]

As for Sam Mitchell's fake syringe gesture...

 

[ManWithNoName]

If a vast majority of the supporters don't have a problem with the booing (evidenced because it doesn't stop) then I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of people within the AFL system (players and coaches) wouldn't either.
Players and coaches have no vested interest in this so their personal opinions would reflect that of the general public (one would think). But they can't obviously say that they love the booing

Because the AFL is extremely media conscious, especially around their positive vibe message, they try and manage the dialogue around issues. Thus you get the AFL condemning it, then you also get clubs falling into line as well and players and media personalities - it's a boys club, can't go against the house

Stupid from the AFL. They should just ignore it, too late now though.

The "vast majority" are almost always stupid and wrong.

 

[BEEG]

That's something the Government absolutely wants to correct... the right do anything other than pay your god dang peasantry taxes to support their helicoptering, spouse rorting, union paper bagging lifestyles.

Good point soon we will work pay taxes and need to fill out a form to leave the house

 

[Hawkers]

No. What we all have learned over this age of enlightenment, is that for reasons we do not have to understand, racism is not like other types of abuse. The hurt is much deeper and the scars more permanent. In saying that, it does depend on what is being said. If someone yelled comments to St Nick about his sister for example, that would be just as unacceptable.

Correct and I wholeheartedly agree

But the boos aren't racist.
Sure some racists are booing but not everything a racist does at the football is racist.

If they were saying racist things then sure, kick em out, fine them. But you can't do that for booing

 

[Doss]

Moron. **** off.

Banned.

Any others want to make aliases to troll this thread, the alias will be killed and your the main account also hit hard.

 

[Hollins]

Sorry Gill but as a proud Australian who is a tax payer, I have the right to do whatever I want within the laws of the Australian government.

Yes.
I hope for the AFL's sake it does not overlook its vulnerability to market forces. It trades & supplies a product because of market demand.
I suspect by hectoring and lecturing us about how to behave, people are going to walk away.

 

[Hawkers]

The "vast majority" are almost always stupid and wrong.

Nice rebuttal

 

[Admiral Byng]

I've always thought that once the crowd have paid their money for a ticket they can cheer or boo as they see fit.

Most of the time the booing from AFL crowds is pantomime with no real spite or venom in it. Sometimes it's directed at certain opposition players who have a bit of a history against your team, I for one booed Chris Judd after he won a Brownlow for elbowing Pavlich in the face.

It depends on why the Eagles fans were booing. Was it really spiteful and motivated by racial hatred? Were any fans surveyed and interviewed as they left the game. otherwise it's just guesswork and attributing motives to people that might not be true.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I guess one facet of this argument is that from the perspective of a Goodes admirer (and I openly admit to being one), it is really hard to understand why anyone would boo him. His acheivements both in the game and outside of it are just glittering. He stands for a really important and worthwhile cause; evidenced by supporters even now, in 2015, being ejected for racist comments, and he does it with great humility and articulation.

Of course, there may be all sorts of reasons for disliking a player, footy is an emotional game, but from my perspective it is hard to understand anyone not liking Goodes.

As far as I'm concerned, his play on the field would be no more 'floggish' to opposition supporters than, say, Steve Johnson. And despite all the reports/suspensions that Johnson has copped in his career, I honestly can't remember him being specifically/individually targeted for booing, like Goodes is week-in/week-out.

I hope Geelong supporters can show a bit of class in two weeks. Very little confidence they will though.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Yes you can post pictures, well done. Now, can you define it for me?

you must be fun at parties

 

[ManWithNoName]

Nice rebuttal

The vast majority used to think the earth was flat.
The vast majority supported slavery.
The vast majority opposed civil rights for decades.
The vast majority didn't think women deserved equal pay.
The vast majority sat silently while players were racially abused at the football decades ago.
The vast majority want to go back to the "tradition" of 4 interchange players.

The vast majority are usually stupid.

 

[ManWithNoName]

you must be fun at parties

No it's simply people throw around "PC" when someone says something they don't like without ever actually being able to explain what they mean by it.

 

[teknodeejay]

I for one booed Chris Judd after he won a Brownlow for elbowing Pavlich in the face.

I booed Pavlich for headbutting Judd's elbow.

Eagles fans do seem to boo a lot. At everything. Umpires, Jobe Watson, Adam Goodes, the clouds in the sky, a cool breeze on a Summer's day, daylight savings for Eastern states...

 

[SeaWind]

The vast majority used to think the earth was flat.
The vast majority supported slavery.
The vast majority opposed civil rights for decades.
The vast majority didn't think women deserved equal pay.
The vast majority sat silently while players were racially abused at the football decades ago.
The vast majority want to go back to the "tradition" of 4 interchange players.

The vast majority are usually stupid.

The vast majority seem to be on the side of Goodes, at least according to you:

On one side you have the entire AFL community and (one would presume) the entire Indigenous population of Australia.
On the other you have Neil Mitchell and Andrew Bolt.

Which side you think is the right one?

Genius!

 

[Hawkers]

The vast majority used to think the earth was flat.
The vast majority supported slavery.
The vast majority opposed civil rights for decades.
The vast majority didn't think women deserved equal pay.
The vast majority sat silently while players were racially abused at the football decades ago.
The vast majority want to go back to the "tradition" of 4 interchange players.

The vast majority are usually stupid.

Now move on from my choice of words and attack the meat of my argument

 

[Impunity!]

The vast majority used to think the earth was flat.
The vast majority supported slavery.
The vast majority opposed civil rights for decades.
The vast majority didn't think women deserved equal pay.
The vast majority sat silently while players were racially abused at the football decades ago.
The vast majority want to go back to the "tradition" of 4 interchange players.

The vast majority are usually stupid.

Yeah, plus the vast majority usually have a really crap likes-to-posts ratio too!

 

[BEEG]

Did the AFL come out and ask the crowds to not booo Watson?

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

The vast majority used to think the earth was flat.
The vast majority supported slavery.
The vast majority opposed civil rights for decades.
The vast majority didn't think women deserved equal pay.
The vast majority sat silently while players were racially abused at the football decades ago.
The vast majority want to go back to the "tradition" of 4 interchange players.

The vast majority are usually stupid.

"On one side you have the entire AFL community and (one would presume) the entire Indigenous population of Australia.
On the other you have Neil Mitchell and Andrew Bolt.
Which side you think is the right one?"

how about that vast majority that are always stupid huh?

 

[quotemokc]

Don't throw 'spears' at the crowd.

No reason why the dance can't be done and the spear could be faced away from the crowd or just into the air like a javelin.

 

[ManWithNoName]

The vast majority seem to be on the side of Goodes, at least according to you:

Genius!

"On one side you have the entire AFL community and (one would presume) the entire Indigenous population of Australia.
On the other you have Neil Mitchell and Andrew Bolt.
Which side you think is the right one?"

how about that vast majority that are always stupid huh?

"Usually"

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I've always thought that once the crowd have paid their money for a ticket they can cheer or boo as they see fit.

Most of the time the booing from AFL crowds is pantomime with no real spite or venom in it. Sometimes it's directed at certain opposition players who have a bit of a history against your team, I for one booed Chris Judd after he won a Brownlow for elbowing Pavlich in the face.

It depends on why the Eagles fans were booing. Was it really spiteful and motivated by racial hatred? Were any fans surveyed and interviewed as they left the game. otherwise it's just guesswork and attributing motives to people that might not be true.

I think the thing is that the fact that it was West Coast was almost irrelevant. With the exception of GWS and perhaps Gold Coast (because Sydney supporters would probably outnumber them), I think we'd expect him to cop the same treatment in an away game against any team. It's not about Eagles supporters, but it's come to a head now and it's becoming cringeworthy.

I wonder how we'll look back on the recent treatment of Goodes 10-20 years from now. I'm pretty sure most people won't be proud of this little chapter of AFL history.

 

[Slax]

It has nothing to do with racism Goodes is a flog and now being protected by the AFL all they are doing is making it worse.

If Adam Goodes had got of his high horse and not made such a complete arse of himself over the last 2 years this probably wouldn't of happened. If he didn't accuse people who booed him of being racist it would of been forgotten about long ago, but no he had to make a song and dance about it because he is better than everyone else.

If Goodes was smart he would've killed this off ages ago, he could've come out and said it motivates him to stick it up those booing him and makes him play better and his teammates do the same. But he's not and it is going to continue because of his actions and now the actions of Gill and Andrew Ireland and all I can say is that he deserves it, because he isn't better than everyone else he is just another self righteous flog who is turning footy into a sideshow where it is about him not the game and it is driving people away.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Now move on from my choice of words and attack the meat of my argument

There is no meat. You're assuming the players and coaches are all lying about having an issue with it, and the trying to use this assumption as proof that it's all the AFL's fault.

 

[Nikita Blue]

Correct and I wholeheartedly agree

But the boos aren't racist.
Sure some racists are booing but not everything a racist does at the football is racist.

If they were saying racist things then sure, kick em out, fine them. But you can't do that for booing

I guess the majority of us would agree some of the people who are booing him are racially motivated. What percentage is arguable but if you boo Goodes you are aligning yourself with the pathetic racists and it mystifies me why you would want to be associated with them.