Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[Scotland]

I'm still waiting for a list of other outspoken Aboriginal footballers who attract the ire of opposition supporters.

Anyone?

 

[Quad22]

Me thinks we will look back on this in 20 years or so, and be disgusted that we (the AFL community) turned a blind eye to the treatment of Goodes.

 

[SeaWind]

"Usually"

Yeah, I know what you mean, they're stupid in this instance as well.

 

[Freakie]

Where they saying boooo or Bourns?

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

No it's simply people throw around "PC" when someone says something they don't like without ever actually being able to explain what they mean by it.

google it. i'm not your dictionary

 

[JeffDunne]

What the AFL are too stupid to understand is that the sort of double-standards & preferential treatment they are showing today is the main reason for the booing in the first place.

 

[bungholes_premiers]

Would they feel more comfy if we booed more random players? Will Goodsey stop whinging if he can be seen as the original?

Happy to take poll as to who else we should target so they can get over it

 

[Hollins]

No-one denies the existence of rules.

The problem is the AFL administration has for the last so-many-years applied the rules selectively, or at the lower end of the scale, applied them inconsistently.

The politically correct interpretation of this crisis i.e. the behaviour is caused by racism, overlooks this.

 

[rippersnipper]

Surely there are more unbearable players in the league than Goodes though? He's the only one who is constantly booed. Its just poor taste imo and somewhat cringey to watch

 

[Hawkers]

I guess the majority of us would agree some of the people who are booing him are racially motivated. What percentage is arguable but if you boo Goodes you are aligning yourself with the pathetic racists and it mystifies me why you would want to be associated with them.

I don't boo but I do yell out every now and again. Racists also yell out ergo I'm a racist???

 

[ManWithNoName]

Yeah, I know what you mean, they're stupid in this instance as well.

What you're forgetting is that BigFooty is a very small sample. It is not always reflective of the community.

 

[Kummerspeck]

If a vast majority of the supporters don't have a problem with the booing (evidenced because it doesn't stop) then I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of people within the AFL system (players and coaches) wouldn't either.
Players and coaches have no vested interest in this so their personal opinions would reflect that of the general public (one would think).

Can you string this line of reasoning out for me? What logical basis do you have for it?

I don't boo but I do yell out every now and again. Racists also yell out ergo I'm a racist???

Never mind, logic clearly isn't your strong point.

 

[ManWithNoName]

google it. i'm not your dictionary

You used the term. So I'm asking how you define it.

 

[Hawkers]

There is no meat. You're assuming the players and coaches are all lying about having an issue with it, and the trying to use this assumption as proof that it's all the AFL's fault.

What are your thoughts on the statements that came out of Essendon, associated players and coaches and the AFL regarding the drugs saga?

 

[ManWithNoName]

What are your thoughts on the statements that came out of Essendon, associated players and coaches and the AFL regarding the drugs saga?

So I pull you up on your phrasing, you demand I get back to the meat of your argument. I do so, and you, for some reason, bring up Essendon?

 

[SeaWind]

What you're forgetting is that BigFooty is a very small sample. It is not always reflective of the community.

But I was referring to the example of a majority you yourself provided.

Clinging on to the belief that booing Goodes makes one a racist is stupid.

 

[Engimal]

I've never booed before at the footy, but I feel like starting now.

 

[Mancey]

You used the term. So I'm asking how you define it.

Can you guys take your linguistics discussion to pm's?

 

[FalcoX]

If the booing is supposedly because he is a dirty player/diver then why weren't/aren't the likes of Judd, Mitchell, Stevie J, Fletcher etc relentlessly booed by the vast majority of the crowd each time they go near the ball, no matter the opposition? And why did it only start after he pointed out a racist in the crowd? People have rocks in their heads if they genuinely believe there isn't a massive racial element here. There are far bigger campaigners in the AFL who don't get anywhere near as much hostility directed at them by the crowds, not hard to figure out why.

 

[ManWithNoName]

But I was referring to the example of a majority you yourself provided.

Clinging on to the belief that booing Goodes makes one a racist sounds pretty stupid to me.

That'd be a great point if I'd said that.

Nobody is saying that everyone booing him is a racist. It's that booing him perpetuates the perception that the public are having a go at him for being a proud Indigenous man.

 

[dispute]

Can you string this line of reasoning out for me? What logical basis do you have for it?

Never mind, logic clearly isn't your strong point.

Just because you convinced yourself you said something smart doesn't mean it is perceived that way.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Can you guys take your linguistics discussion to pm's?

It's not linguistics. It's simply people using terms they don't understand to try and prove a point.

 

[eddiesmith]

Me thinks we will look back on this in 20 years or so, and be disgusted that we (the AFL community) turned a blind eye to the treatment of Goodes.

I reckon in 20 years time everyone will have forgotten about Goodes being booed like Hird, Buckley, Judd, Carey, Watson...The countless others who have been booed not because of race but because opposition supporters hated them for 1 thing or another and they were good players.

Adam Goodes just joins a very long list of players who have been booed and every umpire to have ever umpired the game...I suppose supporters are racist against green people...

 

[Engimal]

If Goodes was smart he would've killed this off ages ago, he could've come out and said it motivates him to stick it up those booing him and makes him play better and his teammates do the same.

Not to make this thread about North, but that's what Boomer and Thomas have done in the past. People still hate them both, but they certainly got some amount of respect from opposition supporters by taking it on the chin and, in the case of Thomas particularly, having a laugh about it.

Goodes has missed the boat to do so, unfortunately for him.

 

[hardon]

The vast majority used to think the earth was flat.
The vast majority supported slavery.
The vast majority opposed civil rights for decades.
The vast majority didn't think women deserved equal pay.
...
The vast majority are usually stupid.

ahhhh... captain hindsight.

of course, if you grew up in these eras you'd have been one of the only ones to know, purely by special insight acquired at birth, that these things were objectively wrong.

is human morality fixed now? do we know all rights from wrongs now? is there any chance that any of the beliefs you currently hold will be viewed as archaic and stupid at any time in the future?