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Originally posted by Lennyfan
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,9808674%5E25717,00.html

Can anyone explain to me what "fresh" means??


'He demands we spend tens of millions more to "save" the "sick" Murray from "rising salinity trends", when in fact the Murray has not been this fresh for half a century.'

and how it relates to salinity......

so lets assume by going with bolts logic, the sea is not fresh....

stick to being funny.....

Those in glass houses should not throw stones!

The sea is salt water. The Murray River is fresh (i.e. not salt) water, as are most inland bodies of water. The terms are basic common knowledge.
 
Originally posted by afc9798
Again a very thin party line response Tim. Firstly Andrew Bolt is to be ignored as he is a noted conservative journalist (and I use that term lightly) who is deliberately employed to provoke anyone who is more than 1cm away from hard right. You should know better than to think that I would even waste my time to read it. let alone post a link to Phillip Adams and expect you to read it.

That says a lot about you. If the article is flawed, then correct it, or tell me why. Don't take the immature attitude of simply refusing to read it, and deal with arguments prebented. If you posted something by Phillip Adams, I would take the time to read it.

David Kemp's achievements are that he has made education less available to the masses, supported a system that sees those who attend private schools as the inheritors of the earth. As an environment minister he has achieved precisely nothing. Can you show me the great Kemp initiatives that are reversing the harm done by years of neglect by industry and development? Kemp is a lame duck who got rolled from education by the Labor supporting, then I turned Liberal Brendan"I'd better take my earring out now that I'm a Liberal" Nelson. Talk about sellouts!!

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=931

It's interesting that some hardcore greenies think the government has an admirable record on the environment, which it does. Kemp has been an excellent minister in both portfolios.

How do you know Malcolm Turnbull will be an excellent addition to Parliament? He may just remain an elitist snob who thought he might have a chance at the aphrodisiac of being PM. What does Turnbull know about the struggles and issues of the average person. The North Shore lightweight might find it all a bit tough.

Malcolm Turnbull is not a person who can empathise with socio economically disadvantaged people. However, he is a person with the capacity to formulate policy to benefit them. Simply because people come from underpriveliged backgrounds does not mean they are in the best position to come up with ideas and policies. Sure, it is important to have knowledge of everyday lives, but knowledge of economics, law and politics in general is far more important. For example, Bob Brown is passionate and outspoken. However, as he is not open to any sort of compromise, he never actually achieves anything.

I don't have an us against them attitude to business, but I do when it comes to the businesses that manipulate their puppets in Canberra to get a better deal for themselves. What is good for business is not necessarily good for consumers and employees. How has the increasing profits of the banking sector benefited people. Reduced services, mass retrenchments, increased fees and increased salaries of executives. The shareholders benefit, but the bad has far outweighed the good. Or is it good to see people lose their jobs, services reduced and fees rise?

There are hundreds of different banks in Australia. People have a choice about which bank they choose. It is unfortunate that bank branches close, but it is unreasonable to expect banks to run operations at a loss. The banks primary obligation is to their shareholders. Retrenchments are not an inherently bad thing either. Workers can be put to use in areas they are more productive, rather than sitting in an empty bank teller all day with no customers. A job is a privelidge, not a right. If fee increases upset you, then here's an idea: Use another bank! Banks can charge whatever they want for their services. You don't have to pay it. Access to banking has in fact increased, with innovations such as telephone banking, internet banking, EFTPOS and ATM's taking the place of bank branches, which are mostly redundant nowadays. The reality is that access to banking services has never been better.

My business plays by the rules, employs people not slaves and returns a healthy profit. The biggest issues I have in business is the ridiculously laborious red tape, the level of taxation and the lack of interest in buying from Australian companies, despite a price differential that is only marginal and before freight costs. The current economic strength in Australia is as much a result of external factors as it is of the current Govt's. economic management. Have you ever been self-employed Tim? If not how do you think you can even tell me how good it is for business at the moment.

I agree that red tape and taxation are significant problems for business. However, the Howard gov't has cut company tax from 36% to 30% during its period in office. The external sector of the economy has in fact been a drain on the economy, as due to weak overseas economic conditions since 2001, the trade balance has weakened significantly. This is due to falling exports, and rising imports, which are caused by strong internal demand. The Australian economy could easily have slipped into recession, but thanks to the structural reforms of the last 20 years, and excellent management by Howard and Costello, we have strong GDP growth, low inflation and record low unemployment. If businesses aren't doing well, it isn't the government that is responsible.
 
The Labor model is not perfect by any stretch, but neither is a system that has produced the likes of Downer, Bishop, Kemp, Crichton-Brown, Tuckey, Reith, Alston and turned good people with good values such as Ruddock and Costello into heartless machines that put the interests of corporations above that of the people of Australia. [/B][/QUOTE] Agreed on most of this ,
But,
In general the ALP pre- selection model is better then the Liberal party models for pre-selection.
2-I think Richard Alston,despite his's alliance with JWH,has shown a better knowledge of Media policy then any liberal minister or shadow minister ever.And he he dislikes David Flint.
 

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As an environment minister he has achieved precisely nothing. Can you show me the great Kemp initiatives that are reversing the harm done by years of neglect by industry and development

He increased the protection of the Great Barrier Reef from fishing and other damaging activities from 5% to 33%, an achievement NO ONE thought was possible, given the power and voice of the various pressure groups of the industries that will suffer as a result. The World Wildlife Fund (WWF) described this as a 'stunning' result and several other organisations have concured that such a feat was a remarkable effort.

The National Heritage Trust has had a completely new strategy plan implemented whereby approximately 50 divisions around the country have been established in environmentally important areas to decide and work out the priorities in the coming years. It's allowed the communities themselves to have an influential voice in the decisions made, rather than having profit-driven interest groups do the talking for them.

The Liberal Party, and Dr. Kemp in particular, have played a leading role in the international movement for protecting Whales. During Labor's time in government, NO minister was ever sent to the International Whaling Commission conferences. Today, Australia is THE LEADER in whale protection, and their profile on the matter is only getting bigger.

500 gigalitres will be directed to the Murray River to begin a steady improvement and rehabilitation of the Murray Darling Basin. Again, the community AFFECTED by such a move has been allowed to play a vital role in the coming rehabilitation program, unlike labor, who assume that once the water in dumped in, problem solved.

I'll finish with a nice quote from the Executive Director of AMPTO, in relation to the Great Barrier Reef scheme.

"I doubt I will ever see a more important conservation effort anywhere in the world in my lifetime."

Achieved Nothing? Umm....you idiot.

EDIT: Oh, and while I'm here.

Last year he established the plan to phase out the use of plastic bags. An initiative you may have seen Latham 'propose' recently. It's amazing what good media coverage can do.

Oh yeah, and he has overseen the objective of Australia meeting its green house gas reduction role.

God I love the environment...and the minister.
 
Originally posted by RIPPER_46
No it may not apply ATM to the hills hoist but anyone who wants to mine has to "settle" with the local indigineous population who have not shown any interest until the Mabo decision. This immediately cuts any small prospector who relied on "finding a small patch" out of the equation as it is out of their budget to get a native title clearance on land that in many cases the locals have had no interest in.

The PGA are having ongoing dialogue trying to clarify their position after being assured that it would not affect them. There have already been ambit claims in the Perth Metropolitan Area even.

Don't bull**** to me about what the decision says, we all know that the law is an ass.

As a "part-time" prospector and brother to a once small time gold mining operator I can honestly say that native title has caused about as many problems as those created by the EPA , large mining companies and even pastoralists (glorified squatters) in regard to small mining operations. It is too easy and simplified to blame the Aboriginal population and native title, although there is no doubt the time the Native Title "process" takes can be crippling to small time operators.

In regard to Aboriginal people carrying firearms, most prospectors in the region where I live have had problems with station owners firing weapons at prospectors (both legal and illegal ones.)
 
Originally posted by Fevola4God
He increased the protection of the Great Barrier Reef from fishing and other damaging activities from 5% to 33%, an achievement NO ONE thought was possible, given the power and voice of the various pressure groups of the industries that will suffer as a result. The World Wildlife Fund (WWF) described this as a 'stunning' result and several other organisations have concured that such a feat was a remarkable effort.

The National Heritage Trust has had a completely new strategy plan implemented whereby approximately 50 divisions around the country have been established in environmentally important areas to decide and work out the priorities in the coming years. It's allowed the communities themselves to have an influential voice in the decisions made, rather than having profit-driven interest groups do the talking for them.

The Liberal Party, and Dr. Kemp in particular, have played a leading role in the international movement for protecting Whales. During Labor's time in government, NO minister was ever sent to the International Whaling Commission conferences. Today, Australia is THE LEADER in whale protection, and their profile on the matter is only getting bigger.

500 gigalitres will be directed to the Murray River to begin a steady improvement and rehabilitation of the Murray Darling Basin. Again, the community AFFECTED by such a move has been allowed to play a vital role in the coming rehabilitation program, unlike labor, who assume that once the water in dumped in, problem solved.

I'll finish with a nice quote from the Executive Director of AMPTO, in relation to the Great Barrier Reef scheme.

"I doubt I will ever see a more important conservation effort anywhere in the world in my lifetime."

Achieved Nothing? Umm....you idiot.

EDIT: Oh, and while I'm here.

Last year he established the plan to phase out the use of plastic bags. An initiative you may have seen Latham 'propose' recently. It's amazing what good media coverage can do.

Oh yeah, and he has overseen the objective of Australia meeting its green house gas reduction role.

God I love the environment...and the minister.

All populist policies with no real substance....you idiot. Who, other than a small fishing lobby and transport companies, was going to oppose protecting the reef? The reason they were so stunned was because they expected nothing from a Govt. that has a history of neglect.

Australia has not me its' targets in relation to greenhouse gas emmissions. It has met its' own targets, not those that were necessary to make a real difference. Another stunt.

What about the new excise cuts to diesel fuels announced today. That will do a lot to help greenhouse gas emissions. We're headed down the same cheap gasoline route that the Yanks have and you can't tell me that this is good. Also what about the great unproven technology of burying the coal gas? The Govt. is spending on this because it simply cannot make the hard decisions when it comes to the environment. I don't know if the alternative Govt. is any better, but don't trumpet these loose ramblings as any example of what a great minister that Kemp is. Mr. Squiggle could have achieved all that in half the time.
 

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