Review The bad, the dumb and the bad v Eagles

[LeftyLuke]

There was one pivotal moment that decided the game yesterday.

It was when Kennedy hit the post in the last quarter and we took the ball from the kick in and Tex ends up kicking a goal from it

Had Kennedy's kick go through the Eagles would have only been down by 2 goals with the run of play. The kick misses and turns into a Walker goal and the margin goes from potentially being 14 point to suddenly being 28 points and it was obvious being when that happened that the Eagles players dropped their heads.

I honestly think the result would have been different if Kennedy kicked that goal

Both sides have a long way to go. I think the weather brought us down to their level. On a dry deck we probably win by 3 or 4 more goals. Nick's is still not picking the right side which isn't helping.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I originally said he couldn’t play wing, which he can but he’s not to the level he could be an inside mid, that’s his position

He's going perfectly fine on a wing as he has the attributes for this role & will transition to be an inside midfielder.

This is actually good player development.

Pity we don't manage all our young players like Soligo.

Now need to get the likes of Cook back in the side.

 

[FR0GGY]

Soligo has shown he has the tools to be hard working wingman. He covered plenty of territory yesterday, including getting back in defence when needed.

Agree he will transition to an inside midfielder, but to say he can't play on a wing is BS.

Hately on the other hand despite being ok yesterday on a wing has shown he is far more suited to an inside role. Should never have been bumped by Crouch.

He was the only one with any brains to cover the goal square on a day the ball could skid through from a stoppage in our D50

 

[hey shorty]

Ogilvie hasn't had many misses. Oh wait I'm thinking of another clubs recruiter. On this one I can't completely blame Ogilvie as I believe the decision was taken out of his hands by Roo and list management.

RT will be a jet, North though....they ballsed up big time.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That’s a hell of a lot of projection on Pedlars behalf. You could make the case he’s been just as big a draft bust as McAsey. Posters keep claiming “Wait until he’s fit”, well this is his 3rd season on an AFL list, when exactly is this fitness base supposed to come? When was the last time a true top line, A grade Mid played almost exclusively reserves football for thier first 3 seasons?

You see, your problem is, you have to see to believe ....whilst some of us see his attributes & pieces of play, and know he'll make-it

Most people judge talent on current form .....you'd never make it as an AFL Recruiter

 

[Golumless]

Fitness isn't going to fix a lack of skill. The problem is that there wasn't much available at his pick but we should have taken Bruhn.

Considering both fatigue and confidence are key parts of how skilful someone is (and I'd go so far as to say confidence is the most important aspect of skill), becoming fitter/stronger actually does impact in a meaningful way.

The other one is structures and the players around you. Well refined structures and quality players can certainly help with skill level as it streamlines how decisions are made.

Skills aren't just a technical thing.

 

[Dewy006]

You see, your problem is, you have to see to believe ....whilst some of us see his attributes & pieces of play, and know he'll make-it

Most people judge talent on current form .....you'd never make it as an AFL Recruiter

To be fair, we could have a monkey on a typewriter doing our drafting, and it still wouldn’t be any worse than what Hamish is serving up.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

To be fair, we could have a monkey on a typewriter doing our drafting, and it still wouldn’t be any worse than what Hamish is serving up.

Again ....we disagree

You expect immediate results from Draftee's .....happens sometimes, mostly not ......LDU still copping flak, T.Thomas, still wildly inconsistent .....Powell, who's going to be an excellent player, still playing like a spud .....even, JHF's last month has been meh !

You need a bit of patience .....not draft, and 2 years later, you have a SuperStar

 

[Skippos]

They're both KPFs in the same draft that were available to us - how is it not an apt comparison?

Borderline dishonest... gimmie a break

Might have been sucked into the standard bigfooty hyperbole a bit, but omitting/disregarding context when making a 'point' is dishonest, especially when that point casts a heavy criticism upon the club.

There are plenty of things for supporters to be hysterical about, but if they're hysterical about everything, it undermines the valid critiques (i.e. Crouch).

It's a pretty basic concept. Different types and bodies take different amounts of time to grow. Mac Andrew was drafted at 5 last year while Gibcus at 9 has come in and looked a worldie and Amiss at 8 has managed a game too. Nobody's going to be panning Andrew for that. Heck, Mac Andrew could not play an AFL game until 2024 and it'd be unfair to criticise him - he was always going to need 2-3 years of development more than his peers when he was drafted. GC knew that when picking him.

Another comparison would be Pedlar to Bruhn or Tom Powell. All projecting to be slightly undersized ball winners with some dynamic movement to them, but when Pedlar was drafted we knew he'd be a slower burn than a Bruhn or a Powell.

Thilthorpe was the same. He was always going to be a slower burn.

 

[Anzacpaul]

If you honestly think that was a good win enjoy another 20 years without a flag

I'm as critical as anyone about the position of our club, but a win for the young guys in the team can only be a plus, even against the bottom side.

In a wet weather game, I thought we held on to more marks than usual, moved the ball fairly well for the conditions, saw some of our young talent show something, and we had a win.

Of course, I'm frustrated that Hately got no midfield minutes (though I thought he performed really well given playing on the wing), that Doedee had to play a lockdown role (luckily Smith filled that loose-man role fairly well), and that we can't move away from Mrouch, Laird and Keays in the middle.

But surely, surely at the most base level, after the club hasn't won a game for 6 weeks, and likely won't win more than 3-4 more for the rest of the season, people shouldn't be derided for enjoying a win.

 

[John Who]

How many more games, the goal posts aren't going to get any bigger.

Regarding Ned, at least he seems to be improving. Bearing in mind he had some recurring injuries in his first year, so he’s only really had a fair crack at AFL since last year. His attack on the ball and body is never in question so I think there is merit in his AFL team inclusion. But as long as he keeps improving..

 

[Golumless]

I'm as critical as anyone about the position of our club, but a win for the young guys in the team can only be a plus, even against the bottom side.

In a wet weather game, I thought we held on to more marks than usual, moved the ball fairly well for the conditions, saw some of our young talent show something, and we had a win.

Of course, I'm frustrated that Hately got no midfield minutes (though I thought he performed really well given playing on the wing), that Doedee had to play a lockdown role (luckily Smith filled that loose-man role fairly well), and that we can't move away from Mrouch, Laird and Keays in the middle.

But surely, surely at the most base level, after the club hasn't won a game for 6 weeks, and likely won't win more than 3-4 more for the rest of the season, people shouldn't be derided for enjoying a win.

I mean, the key thing for us is we snapped that losing streak and got through a game that really could have raised the panic levels if we lost.

After all, Adelaide rebuild looks a whole lot more precarious with a loss to the Eagles.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Supreme
Texas. Was too unselfish at times but was BOG anyway.

Good
We got the four points. If it was a Grand Final all of the nay-sayers wouldn't give a rats about how the Crows let the Eagles back into the game. We are still learning how to win.
Soligo
Parnell
Fogarty

Bad
I said we'd get smashed

 

[John Who]

I'm as critical as anyone about the position of our club, but a win for the young guys in the team can only be a plus, even against the bottom side.

In a wet weather game, I thought we held on to more marks than usual, moved the ball fairly well for the conditions, saw some of our young talent show something, and we had a win.

Of course, I'm frustrated that Hately got no midfield minutes (though I thought he performed really well given playing on the wing), that Doedee had to play a lockdown role (luckily Smith filled that loose-man role fairly well), and that we can't move away from Mrouch, Laird and Keays in the middle.

But surely, surely at the most base level, after the club hasn't won a game for 6 weeks, and likely won't win more than 3-4 more for the rest of the season, people shouldn't be derided for enjoying a win.

The biggest positive for me wasn’t the first quarter burst of goals. It was actually the fact we held our ground when the Eagles got to within 3 goals in the last quarter. We remained composed and fended off their mini-assault, which is a sign of maturity with our young brigade.

 

[craig crowing]

Regarding Ned, at least he seems to be improving. Bearing in mind he had some recurring injuries in his first year, so he’s only really had a fair crack at AFL since last year. His attack on the ball and body is never in question so I think there is merit in his AFL team inclusion. But as long as he keeps improving..

Why and where is he improving .
Still too small to tackle a mobile player coming towards him.
Too small to provide a reasonable contest to entries into his area.
Still hasn't got speed to break free or create run .
Still lacking AFL nous
Still cant kick 30 metres
Still doesn't kick goals as a forward.
Still doesn't know how to read balls of packs contest etc as essential for all small players
Still gives away stupid frees regularly and 50 metre penalties.
Still only gets handful of kicks and don't say because stuck up forward as he spends more time on wing and defence half as up forward.
Still provides turnovers regularly with his few possessions.
Yes I am and have been very critical of his selections in the draft and every week especially when see players that have real talent not getting picked before him.

 

[SLOWNE]

You see, your problem is, you have to see to believe ....whilst some of us see his attributes & pieces of play, and know he'll make-it

Most people judge talent on current form .....you'd never make it as an AFL Recruiter

Watching the SANFL, nobody else has the attack on the ball Pedlar does, he is an absolute bull. Goes at it in a very Dangerfield way.

Goes missing for long periods though, not sure if it is tank or application.

 

[Sanders]

Sanders
Same Country NSW Motel, Sunday markets again (but only the brave today, shivering and rugged up against the chill), same brekkie:
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The humanity! That snag!

 

[MRB37]

You see, your problem is, you have to see to believe ....whilst some of us see his attributes & pieces of play, and know he'll make-it

Most people judge talent on current form .....you'd never make it as an AFL Recruiter

You can absolutely see the traits Pedlar has and see why he could be a high level AFL player. His fitness/injury proneness could be a concern though.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You can absolutely see the traits Pedlar has and see why he could be a high level AFL player. His fitness/injury proneness could be a concern though.

In Burgo we believe

 

[Sanders]

Good
FOG showed some power which we haven't seen before

agree with this.

Milera still looks like he wants to pick and choose how he gets involved

This too

 

[Sanders]

It's a good point, all I'll say his he played almost none of his u18 year due to injury so, like Cook, was coming from a long way back physically.

Not sure that’s a positive in his favour

 

[Sanders]

Ogilvie hasn't had many misses. Oh wait I'm thinking of another clubs recruiter. On this one I can't completely blame Ogilvie as I believe the decision was taken out of his hands by Roo and list management.

It’s not a belief if it’s something you just plucked from thin air. It’s called imagination

 

[MRB37]

Matt Crouch:

18 CBA 1 clearance
1 clearance for the game
2 tackles
12 pressure acts
154 metres gained
7 contested possessions, 20 uncontested

Now for a midfielder such as Crouch, does this game make sense? If he’s not winning clearances and contested possessions whats the point of him? What benefit do his uncontested possessions have?

Let alone his lack of defensive pressure

I saw people arguing "of course he's only getting 154 metres gained, his a first possession mid who farms it out!" except for the part where he had 1 clearance and 2/3rds of his possessions are uncontested, which would indicate he's not winning first possession, he's just involved in the chain and not doing much with it

 

[Scorpus]

I saw people arguing "of course he's only getting 154 metres gained, his a first possession mid who farms it out!" except for the part where he had 1 clearance and 2/3rds of his possessions are uncontested, which would indicate he's not winning first possession, he's just involved in the chain and not doing much with it

He only had 6 ground ball gets

For reference Laird and Keays average 10 GBGs per match

 

[Crowboto]

Berry is simply a workhorse ....and will eventually get the wrath of supporters, for being that

Not so sure about that.