Review The bad, the dumb and the bad v Eagles

[WaynesWorld19]

They rated his blocking

 

[Shaunbkk]

You probabaly know i think most of humanity is stupid - but STATISTICS do my head in - Disposals is such a silly billy stat and means little - Effective Disposals is the version that should be counted - a squashed pygmie could tell anyone that. But here we are in dumbo land.

 

[Sanders]

Go and google it mate, duck it's not hard!!

12 months since your last post here, and this is the rubbish you decided to return with?

maybe, just maybe… you might understand why this seems really obnoxious

 

[Sanders]

I will explain it to you Sanders.

Please find anywhere other than this Bigfooty Board that refers to Total Clearances per Centre Bounce Attendance as an insightful statistic.

Centre Clearances per CBAs is a valid stat although somewhat limited. It doesn’t take into account the separate roles of the players at the CBA (eg Ruck, defensive mid, attacking mid)

Total Clearances per Clearance attendance (both CBAs and other stoppages) is a valid but rarely quoted stat.

Total Clearances (ie centre clearances plus other stoppage clearances) per CBA is nonsense.

At no stage have I pumped up Crouch.

We did win the centre clearances 13 to 6 but lost other clearances 24 to 28 which is unusual for the current Crow team.

The amount of pride and unmerited confidence you have in your extremely limited abilities is really something

in a strange way, you therefore make this place better and more entertaining.

 

[Sanders]

Maybe he thought it meant Commonwealth Bank?

It’s hard to know what he thinks. Or if

 

[feenix67]

Sooooo do we now have centre mids and stoppage mids? Where does Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

hide after the bounce then?

 

[George Kramer]

Sooooo do we now have centre mids and stoppage mids? Where does Matt Crouch hide after the bounce then?

Stands off waiting for a handball so he can break away and deliver with a handball….

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

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And we won!

Join the dots on those

 

[rabidcrow]

I'd definitely have Hately ahead of Crouch now. But a month ago the very idea of him having an AFL future was doubtful.

I just don't see Berry as being "vastly" better than Crouch though. He's just a younger version of Crouch. And people are imagining the future version of Berry when 2 or 3 hypothetical leap forwards have happened vs the old and busted version of Crouch.

Berry quite a bit more aggressive in the contest than Matt. But their general attributes are similar


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[CrowBloke]

To be fair a player isn't going to dish a team mate in public.

Dunno why; this made me chuckle, but with no disrespect intended.
It's funny how modern American colloquialisms find their way into general Aussie speech all the way to this forum (even I have started saying "doooood" when someone does something dangerous eg overtaking on a blind corner etc).

I think the word you're looking for is "diss" which comes from 'disrespect' or maybe 'dismiss' --- a quick example can be found in some of Eminem's lyrics eg
" Now I would never diss my own mama just to get recognition
Take a second to listen 'fore you think this record is dissin' " ("Cleanin' out mah Closet")

I know the above borders on 'Grammar Nazism' --- apologies --- but I've been here for 13 days now and can't return to Adelaide (I shoulda left 2 days ago) because my flatmate has Covid. Good timing.
I'm bored, with plenty of time on my hands.

 

[CrowBloke]

Tex had 1 clearance and zero CBAs. His clearances per CBA is infinity. Does that add to your knowledge of his performance?

I dunno about Centre Clearances/ CBAs , or the ratio of follow-throughs/farts (on the increase in my world ), but you've wandered into Maths-land, about which I know a bit.
It's a common misconception that 1/0 is "infinity", but it's nonsense .
1/0 is undefined. It cannot be calculated, because it's impossible to divide by zero.

Your three sentences quoted above are in order, irrelevant, Mathematical bullshit, and unnecessarily/ foolishly supercilious.
I suggest with as much kindness as I can muster that you attack the ball, and not the man.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Out of interest, I rewatched the 3rd quarter last night and after Tex's goal (10min mark) we had no less then 7 genuine chances to score goals for only 3 behinds. This included a relatively simple dropped chest mark by Keays, and a missed I50 by McHenry that should have hit Thilthorpe 40m out directly in front, but instead hit an uncontested eagle.

We kick even 3 of those goals and I'm confident the Eagles drop off and that game blows out to 50+

Endeavour was there, but once again
Bad kicking = Bad football!

Fingers crossed this bye round allows a lot of players to freshen up, and hone their skills back in

If the break is for 12 months you might be onto something.

 

[Maddogmetro]

Obviously this has turned into another shitfight, but I think I understand Ciao's argument (if I have interpreted correctly).

It appears, effectively, to be that if you want to look at a player's effectiveness at clearances, look at the total number of stoppages they attended (which includes CBAs), and compare the number of clearances from those stoppages (which, again, includes centre clearances). Then you can get a 'clearance per stoppage' statistic.

Then, as a subset to look at a player's effectiveness only at CBAs, you look at the number of CBAs attended only, and compare the number of clearances from those CBAs. Then you get a 'centre clearance per CBA' statistic.

He is saying they are much more valid statistics than looking at number of CBAs, and then compare the number of total clearances from all stoppages. That analysis takes data from a total set (clearances from all stoppages), and analyses it against a subset of the data (CBAs attended, which is a subset of total stoppages attended). While this may be indicative, it is not as informative.

Ciao Giacomo , is this what you are saying? Or have I misinterpreted?

 

[Maddogmetro]

I dunno about Centre Clearances/ CBAs , or the ratio of follow-throughs/farts (on the increase in my world ), but you've wandered into Maths-land, about which I know a bit.
It's a common misconception that 1/0 is "infinity", but it's nonsense .
1/0 is undefined. It cannot be calculated, because it's impossible to divide by zero.

Your three sentences quoted above are in order, irrelevant, Mathematical bullshit, and unnecessarily/ foolishly supercilious.
I suggest with as much kindness as I can muster that you attack the ball, and not the man.

I think this post actually supports the idea that comparing total clearances (from all stoppages) to CBAs attended is somewhat flawed. You shouldn't be able to get an undefined answer.

It goes back to what I was saying above, that it uses a total data set (clearances from all stoppages), and analyses it against a subset only (CBAs, being only a portion of total stoppages).

 

[Dangarman]

It should be a bit like meters gained, that if the next possession is the clearance, you should get a stat for it.

Clearance assist?

 

[Sanders]

I think this post actually supports the idea that comparing total clearances (from all stoppages) to CBAs attended is somewhat flawed. You shouldn't be able to get an undefined answer.

It goes back to what I was saying above, that it uses a total data set (clearances from all stoppages), and analyses it against a subset only (CBAs, being only a portion of total stoppages).

There is nothing flawed when noting total clearances is only 1, against a lot of CBA’s

You can create disingenuous obfuscation and ambiguity if you’re explaining few clearances against few opportunities, but you can’t seriously claim there is no correlation (as Mr Molecular Sommelier has) between lots of opportunities and no clearances

 

[MRB37]

I imagine you could also look at team loss % at CBA eg when Crouch is in the CB we lose X amount of clearances compared to losing Y amount when he's not there.

Though at the end of the day I imagine you could drown yourself in these sorts of stats though.

 

[Maddogmetro]

There is nothing flawed when noting total clearances is only 1, against a lot of CBA’s

You can create disingenuous obfuscation and ambiguity if you’re explaining few clearances against few opportunities, but you can’t seriously claim there is no correlation (as Mr Molecular Sommelier has) between lots of opportunities and no clearances

That makes sense with that context - you'd go as far as to say that it is even more of a damning stat to have low total clearances, compared to high CBAs.

 

[CrowBloke]

I think this post actually supports the idea that comparing total clearances (from all stoppages) to CBAs attended is somewhat flawed. You shouldn't be able to get an undefined answer.

It goes back to what I was saying above, that it uses a total data set (clearances from all stoppages), and analyses it against a subset only (CBAs, being only a portion of total stoppages).

His post, or mine please?

I don't need to know how many centre bounces/stoppages/boundary throw-ins Crouch attended vs clearances, or clearance assists to see
CLEARLY
that while he gets his hands on the ball often, his use of it to the advantage of his team and teammates is dismal.
Ineffective. Worse, he is hindering the progress of Berry and Hately.
Let's assume for a moment that Crouch does not exist, so that the mid set-up is Laird/Keays/Berry augmented by Hately, Dawson on occasion (but mostly on a wing), Hinge in the centre, and Schoenberg when he decides he wants to play footy again. That could not be any worse than the rusted-on, default Crouch/Laird/Keays combo which is not working.

When Crouch has his hands on the ball, I get exactly the same feeling as when I'm watching Murphy or McHenry lining up a set shot for goal ie "This won't be good". The only difference is that their misses take longer.

 

[CrowBloke]

(as Mr Molecular Sommelier has)

Gold.

 

[Sanders]

That makes sense with that context - you'd go as far as to say that it is even more of a damning stat to have low total clearances, compared to high CBAs.

Exactly!