Review The bad, the dumb and the bad v Eagles

[thebirdman 24]

Coaches seem pretty chuffed with the weekend and how our season is going.

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[Interloperer]

If Crouch isn’t winning a clearance and he’s not applying pressure, look at his pressure acts and how slow he is, how is he stopping an uncontested attacking move? It’s one of the more bizarre explanations I’ve read especially when it’s his teammates winning clearances and not him. Is he a human shield?

The question isn't "Is Crouch good at this?" it's "How are other players worse?"

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The question isn't "Is Crouch good at this?" it's "How are other players worse?"

No one has been worse than Crouch this year as an inside midfielder?

Further, we have lessened the impact of Berry & Hately by returning him to the side.

Surely this is obvious for all to see.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Coaches seem pretty chuffed with the weekend and how our season is going.

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They have to keep selling the idea that there has been progress or they're all going to get sacked.

 

[FR0GGY]

They have to keep selling the idea that there has been progress or they're all going to get sacked.

Well unless the board are as clueless as some of the posters on here, the evidence is there for all to see, surely?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Well unless the board are as clueless as some of the posters on here, the evidence is there for all to see, surely?

Honestly I'm not sure. Roo has been all over the place on this. Earlier in the year he was clearly not happy. In one of our recent games when he was commentating, he said he thought fans would be pretty happy with how we've been progressing. Not sure how Silvers and Olsen view our progress.

 

[robboaustralia]

It was obvious at the game we put the cue in rack for the second half.

Disappointing as we far from good enough to do that.

Should have pressed them all game.


And less CBAs for Crouch.

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Think we forgot to chalk the cue in the 2nd half!

 

[Interloperer]

No one has been worse than Crouch this year as an inside midfielder?

Further, we have lessened the impact of Berry & Hately by returning him to the side.

Surely this is obvious for all to see.

Schoenberg's been significantly worse.

Hately would be a step up on current form but it took him a while to find it. Berry maybe.

 

[LeftyLuke]

No one has been worse than Crouch this year as an inside midfielder?

Further, we have lessened the impact of Berry & Hately by returning him to the side.

Surely this is obvious for all to see.

It's obvious. It's all about average games played per player. They are scared about commentators calling out how low our games per player is. That's why Brown, Crouch are locks regardless of form and why Milers was brought back before form warranted it. His contract had a bit to do with it as well.

 

[George Kramer]

Schoenberg's been significantly worse.

Hately would be a step up on current form but it took him a while to find it. Berry maybe.

Compare their 2 games on the weekend and you tell me Berry is a maybe

 

[Bearded Clam]

Was there any upside to the SANFL game to note? One thing I did see is that our reserves kick to handball ration was something like 2.41, yet the AFL game was 1.21. Normally the former is better for wet weather footy, as you often want to just get the ball moving forward, rather than looking for a handball. Would be interesting to see why the disparity - and was it obvious in game style? How did the likes of Jones go, and where did they play him? I see he and Cook got a bit of the ball, and Newchurch got a couple of nice goals again. Would like to see all three of them in after the bye.

Not a heap..

But man.. i really like Nankervis.. still raw and has a lot of development to come.. but geez, he just looks like an exciting prospect..

I hope he gets a AFL call up this year just to get a run and

 

[Interloperer]

Compare their 2 games on the weekend and you tell me Berry is a maybe

Significantly less of the ball. equally bad disposal. equally unable to run out games. same number of "Clangers" despite having less of the ball.

Did get some clearances at least. But so far above his regular clearance stat that it could just be a "J. Jenkins - 13 tackles" level anomaly

 

[Crow-eater]

10 Taylor Walker (ADEL)
8 Rory Laird (ADEL)
3 Luke Shuey (WCE)
3 Darcy Fogarty (ADEL)
2 Ben Keays (ADEL)
2 Shane McAdam (ADEL)
1 Jack Darling (WCE)
1 Andrew Gaff (WCE)

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[crows dude]

Coaches Votes						Total
Walker	4​	10​	3​	10​		27​
Keays	5​	2​	3​	4​	2​	16​
Dawson	10​	2​	3​			15​
Laird	4​	2​	1​	8​		15​
Doedee	4​	9​				13​
Rachele	9​	3​				12​
Himmelberg	6​	4​				10​
O'Brien	3​	4​				7​
Frampton	6​					6​
Smith	2​	3​				5​
Fogarty	3​					3​
Rowe	2​					2​
McAdam	2​					2​
Gollant	1​					1​
Soligo	1​					1​

 

[arrowman]

10 Taylor Walker (ADEL)
8 Rory Laird (ADEL)
3 Luke Shuey (WCE)
3 Darcy Fogarty (ADEL)
2 Ben Keays (ADEL)
2 Shane McAdam (ADEL)
1 Jack Darling (WCE)
1 Andrew Gaff (WCE)

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That's interesting. Both coaches rated Walker and Laird 1 & 2, then from 3-5 they had completely different lists.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Schoenberg's been significantly worse.

Hately would be a step up on current form but it took him a while to find it. Berry maybe.

I'll give you Schoenberg & he was rightly dropped back to the sanfl until he sorts himself out.

Both Hately & Berry have been vastly superior as inside midfielders to Crouch... which is the point i & most of this board are making.

 

[Interloperer]

I'll give you Schoenberg & he was rightly dropped back to the sanfl until he sorts himself out.

Both Hately & Berry have been vastly superior as inside midfielders to Crouch... which is the point i & most of this board are making.

I'd definitely have Hately ahead of Crouch now. But a month ago the very idea of him having an AFL future was doubtful.

I just don't see Berry as being "vastly" better than Crouch though. He's just a younger version of Crouch. And people are imagining the future version of Berry when 2 or 3 hypothetical leap forwards have happened vs the old and busted version of Crouch.

 

[George Kramer]

Significantly less of the ball. equally bad disposal. equally unable to run out games. same number of "Clangers" despite having less of the ball.

Did get some clearances at least. But so far above his regular clearance stat that it could just be a "J. Jenkins - 13 tackles" level anomaly

Less time on ball.

Similar to Crouch.
72% disposal efficiency aint bad.
2 turnovers

Ok so lets look deeper:

13 contested possessions to 7. So Berry won more of his own ball, basically double.
Crouch smashed him for uncontested possession. Whats Crouch's strength again? To win contested ball or receive the ball with his penetrating kick? But guess what he didn't even kick it, 9 kicks and 18 handballs WTF?
8 clearances, of which 3 were Centre clearances with less CBA. Crouch 1 clearance for the game, I repeat ONE.
Tackles no comparison.

Its chalk and cheese, I am staggered you are advocating for Crouch. Perhaps you could give us the stats for how many times Crouch blocked or got in the way.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'd definitely have Hately ahead of Crouch now. But a month ago the very idea of him having an AFL future was doubtful.

I just don't see Berry as being "vastly" better than Crouch though. He's just a younger version of Crouch. And people are imagining the future version of Berry when 2 or 3 hypothetical leap forwards have happened vs the old and busted version of Crouch.

Hately - is only now ahead of Crouch because we are playing him as a midfielder... which is his natural position.

Berry has been streets ahead of Crouch - far better use of the ball & actually defends/pressures his opponent.

 

[GreyCrow]

Coaches seem pretty chuffed with the weekend and how our season is going.

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With 22k turning up the positivity vibe will be in overdrive

 

[feenix67]

Less time on ball.

Similar to Crouch.
72% disposal efficiency aint bad.
2 turnovers

Ok so lets look deeper:

13 contested possessions to 7. So Berry won more of his own ball, basically double.
Crouch smashed him for uncontested possession. Whats Crouch's strength again? To win contested ball or receive the ball with his penetrating kick? But guess what he didn't even kick it, 9 kicks and 18 handballs WTF?
8 clearances, of which 3 were Centre clearances with less CBA. Crouch 1 clearance for the game, I repeat ONE.
Tackles no comparison.

Its chalk and cheese, I am staggered you are advocating for Crouch. Perhaps you could give us the stats for how many times Crouch blocked or got in the way.

Not only that, Sam pretty much leads the comp in average pressure acts per game

 

[safeandsound]

I'd definitely have Hately ahead of Crouch now. But a month ago the very idea of him having an AFL future was doubtful.

I just don't see Berry as being "vastly" better than Crouch though. He's just a younger version of Crouch. And people are imagining the future version of Berry when 2 or 3 hypothetical leap forwards have happened vs the old and busted version of Crouch.

Berry is a completely different player to Crouch .... in fact you could not get further apart in game style .

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Not only that, Sam pretty much leads the comp in average pressure acts per game

Crouch probably leads the comp in lowest average pressure acts for a midfielder...

 

[cleanhands]

Crouch probably leads the comp in lowest average pressure acts for a midfielder...

Don’t for get metres gained

 

[Sanders]

You do understand the difference between CBAs and clearances?

Do you?

My point was it is pointless looking for a correlation between CBAs and total clearances.

It what world does opportunities i.e. CBA not correlate to actual clearances?

Literally this is amongst the most batshit things you’ve ever claimed.