Unsolved The Beaumont Children

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I have read this book twice and made a serious effort to unpick these allegations, as l do with any theory or alleged "new information". I did the same with 'Satin Man'. I know this case very well, having researched it for over 55 years.

There are numerous holes in the writers' theories. Their publicity campaign to sell the book wasn't honest or authentic imo. I and several others were blocked from their various sites for respectfully questioning their theories and their claims the case is "solved". I continue to be astonished by the gullibility of people who have swallowed it all, hook, line and sinker.

PS Are those plastic Woodies lemonade bottles in the pictures? In 1966, soft drink bottles were made of heavy glass and Woodies lemonade had corks. Very heavy to carry too.
 
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DropBearess said:
I have read this book twice and made a serious effort to unpick these allegations, as l do with any theory or alleged "new information". I did the same with 'Satin Man'. I know this case very well, having researched it for over 55 years.

There are numerous holes in the writers' theories. Their publicity campaign to sell the book wasn't honest or authentic imo. I and several others were blocked from their various sites for respectfully questioning their theories and their claims the case is "solved". I continue to be astonished by the gullibility of people who have swallowed it all, hook, line and sinker.

PS Are those plastic Woodies lemonade bottles in the pictures? In 1966, soft drink bottles were made of heavy glass and Woodies lemonade had corks. Very heavy to carry too.
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Yeah it’s all good, I‘m not investigating it or researching, just reading a book. I just hope that one day they can solve this, until then it’s all speculation and just interesting to read various theories.
 
One of my mates was Maintenace at Castalloy. I asked him about his experiences there. He told me he went through most of the buildings at the site.
He suggested the cottage was a bit creepy. Unfortunately he never let me sneak onto the property. Never the less, Iam not sold on the theory. A business owner would be crazy to hide any kind of evidence on his property.
 
Wosh said:
Yeah it’s all good, I‘m not investigating it or researching, just reading a book. I just hope that one day they can solve this, until then it’s all speculation and just interesting to read various theories.
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It am yet to read the book, but I have alsofallen foul of the author on the Facebook page because I questioned the validity of the veracity of the blonde man playing with the children - so much rested on that and there’s very little no evidence except for hearsay witness evidence, which was about two days old.


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Dusty 17 said:
It am yet to read the book, but I have alsofallen foul of the author on the Facebook page because I questioned the validity of the veracity of the blonde man playing with the children - so much rested on that and there’s very little no evidence except for hearsay witness evidence, which was about two days old.


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As they say, their FB site is for discussion of their own theory. They will shout down any discussion of alternate theories.
 
Some statistics to shine a light

  • 15% only of pedophile attacks are reported
  • on 90% of occasions the perpetrators are known to the victim
  • 70% of pedophiles will reoffend within 10 years.
  • the average number of victims of a pedophile throughout their life is 300

It's fair to say that the stranger who targeted the BC (assuming it was identakit man) was an experienced pedophile who had progressed beyond immediate and extended family and those in his direct care to strangers as victims. He also had complete disregard for risk of being caught such was the audacity of his public on beach grooming.

Some studies have sought to work backwards from known pedophile murderers to determine criteria for their identification. The conclusions were that the killers uniformly rates higher on incidence of psychopathy and/ or sociopathic disorders. Pretty obvious really but important nonetheless. A pedophile seeking to sexually abuse children will unlikely be a killer unless those traits intersect. The fact a person is a known child killer will identify his capacity to repeat

Identakit man was likely a sociopathic individual because he had total disconnect to grooming the children for weeks and being identified as perp as so. Seemingly didn't care probably because his offending history wasn't yet identified.

The crime was 66. Given this fact, the need for both pedaphilia, sociopath/ psychopathy intersect and the likelihood of recidivism at 70% the logical conclusion is that a pool of child killers will in 2023 already be identified from their lifetime crimes.

It's possible to be someone like a teacher or a carnival ride employee (both who would tick the box as being known to them) but their lifetime of crime activity should have identified them by 23 both in terms of repeat pedophile crimes and sadism/ child murders. Unless they perpetuated then stopped entirely

You then throw in that it was a simultaneously multiple abduction (which is exceedingly rare) as the final profiling piece of the jigsaw puzzle. Very few offenders have that profile feature because of pure risk.

Haven't read the book and won't be. If they push HP once more then he isn't in any of the pools for profile offending. I can't even get to positively argue he is in fact a pedophile which would be obvious first base.
 
Please do not take this as gospel because I have not been able to verify if this is true but if it is a lead then I don’t want to hold onto it. I will say, it’s a far shot.

One of my close mates told me he had had a conversation with a woman who told him that the Beaumont children’s bodies are located in the cellar of an abandoned pub in the country. I asked if there was any indication of where this pub might be but he didn’t give me any other details.
 
bcclaire said:
Please do not take this as gospel because I have not been able to verify if this is true but if it is a lead then I don’t want to hold onto it. I will say, it’s a far shot.

One of my close mates told me he had had a conversation with a woman who told him that the Beaumont children’s bodies are located in the cellar of an abandoned pub in the country. I asked if there was any indication of where this pub might be but he didn’t give me any other details.
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Ring Police.
 
bcclaire said:
Please do not take this as gospel because I have not been able to verify if this is true but if it is a lead then I don’t want to hold onto it. I will say, it’s a far shot.

One of my close mates told me he had had a conversation with a woman who told him that the Beaumont children’s bodies are located in the cellar of an abandoned pub in the country. I asked if there was any indication of where this pub might be but he didn’t give me any other details.
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I would say that was the Yatina pub and the place has been thoroughly searched many times over. Not only the pub but the grounds surrounding the pub as well..
Searching is still going on while people are mainly looking for the Adelaide oval girls there..
But thank you for that information :)
 
rocker_oz33 said:
I cant remember if it was percy or someone else (sorry if not on topic).One guy who was a suspect i think in this case painted a picture at the bottom of the painting what looked like some bodies under a sand dune.Yet i cant remember if it was this case or could be the wanda beach murders (i'm prob wrong on both knowing me).
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Angry Red Bull said:
Some statistics to shine a light

  • 15% only of pedophile attacks are reported
  • on 90% of occasions the perpetrators are known to the victim
  • 70% of pedophiles will reoffend within 10 years.
  • the average number of victims of a pedophile throughout their life is 300

It's fair to say that the stranger who targeted the BC (assuming it was identakit man) was an experienced pedophile who had progressed beyond immediate and extended family and those in his direct care to strangers as victims. He also had complete disregard for risk of being caught such was the audacity of his public on beach grooming.

Some studies have sought to work backwards from known pedophile murderers to determine criteria for their identification. The conclusions were that the killers uniformly rates higher on incidence of psychopathy and/ or sociopathic disorders. Pretty obvious really but important nonetheless. A pedophile seeking to sexually abuse children will unlikely be a killer unless those traits intersect. The fact a person is a known child killer will identify his capacity to repeat

Identakit man was likely a sociopathic individual because he had total disconnect to grooming the children for weeks and being identified as perp as so. Seemingly didn't care probably because his offending history wasn't yet identified.

The crime was 66. Given this fact, the need for both pedaphilia, sociopath/ psychopathy intersect and the likelihood of recidivism at 70% the logical conclusion is that a pool of child killers will in 2023 already be identified from their lifetime crimes.

It's possible to be someone like a teacher or a carnival ride employee (both who would tick the box as being known to them) but their lifetime of crime activity should have identified them by 23 both in terms of repeat pedophile crimes and sadism/ child murders. Unless they perpetuated then stopped entirely

You then throw in that it was a simultaneously multiple abduction (which is exceedingly rare) as the final profiling piece of the jigsaw puzzle. Very few offenders have that profile feature because of pure risk.

Haven't read the book and won't be. If they push HP once more then he isn't in any of the pools for profile offending. I can't even get to positively argue he is in fact a pedophile which would be obvious firs
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Angry Red Bull said:
Some statistics to shine a light

  • 15% only of pedophile attacks are reported
  • on 90% of occasions the perpetrators are known to the victim
  • 70% of pedophiles will reoffend within 10 years.
  • the average number of victims of a pedophile throughout their life is 300

It's fair to say that the stranger who targeted the BC (assuming it was identakit man) was an experienced pedophile who had progressed beyond immediate and extended family and those in his direct care to strangers as victims. He also had complete disregard for risk of being caught such was the audacity of his public on beach grooming.

Some studies have sought to work backwards from known pedophile murderers to determine criteria for their identification. The conclusions were that the killers uniformly rates higher on incidence of psychopathy and/ or sociopathic disorders. Pretty obvious really but important nonetheless. A pedophile seeking to sexually abuse children will unlikely be a killer unless those traits intersect. The fact a person is a known child killer will identify his capacity to repeat

Identakit man was likely a sociopathic individual because he had total disconnect to grooming the children for weeks and being identified as perp as so. Seemingly didn't care probably because his offending history wasn't yet identified.

The crime was 66. Given this fact, the need for both pedaphilia, sociopath/ psychopathy intersect and the likelihood of recidivism at 70% the logical conclusion is that a pool of child killers will in 2023 already be identified from their lifetime crimes.

It's possible to be someone like a teacher or a carnival ride employee (both who would tick the box as being known to them) but their lifetime of crime activity should have identified them by 23 both in terms of repeat pedophile crimes and sadism/ child murders. Unless they perpetuated then stopped entirely

You then throw in that it was a simultaneously multiple abduction (which is exceedingly rare) as the final profiling piece of the jigsaw puzzle. Very few offenders have that profile feature because of pure risk.

Haven't read the book and won't be. If they push HP once more then he isn't in any of the pools for profile offending. I can't even get to positively argue he is in fact a paedophile which would be obvious first base.
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Your post has really got me thinking. I would like to know how they can project statistics that only 15% of paedophiles are reported and 300 victims on average for one paedophile seems rather high.
It goes without saying, that I am automatically connect all this information to my POI.
1. I think my POI intertwined family, (singularly and in groups), extended family, children of his friends to strangers that have been groomed (BC), to total strangers (AO). My guy is extremely rare as he also r*ped at least two young adult women.
2. He did volunteer on the boat rides at Glenelg - As I have said previously, I think this gave him an opportunity to have the freedom to groom the children and give them free rides. He would have been under the radar, as he wasn't an employee.
3. From my research, I believe a person with certain traits, will display increasing risky behaviour as time progresses. This is to give themselves self fulfilment, a buzz that they got away with it. This, I believe is exactly what my POI has done.
4. Identified by 23, or stopped entirely. Paedophiles, do not just stop. They can't.
My POI was identified and reported to SAPOL in the 80s, again in the 90s and finally in 2014. He was jailed for 18years, for his offences.
by circumstance, he flew under the radar until this time. He lived at his parent's house his whole life until he went to jail. I am positive his parents knew what he did and protected him. They have even protected their house from being sold or demolished until after his death. To me that says there are bones or evidence on that property.
5. Multiple - if we take into account that the BC were groomed previous to their abduction, my POI could easily manipulate three children. I was a victim of his and it was like second nature for him to regularly manipulate four children at once - and to keep them from telling adults. The AO was just a little more risk, which would have given him an extra hit of adrenaline -
My POI is still top of my list and no one will convince me otherwise. Too many identifiers point to him. Of Course there is still the 'slipper fit' from the identikit person
 
Lyn said:
Your post has really got me thinking. I would like to know how they can project statistics that only 15% of paedophiles are reported and 300 victims on average for one paedophile seems rather high.
It goes without saying, that I am automatically connect all this information to my POI.
1. I think my POI intertwined family, (singularly and in groups), extended family, children of his friends to strangers that have been groomed (BC), to total strangers (AO). My guy is extremely rare as he also r*ped at least two young adult women.
2. He did volunteer on the boat rides at Glenelg - As I have said previously, I think this gave him an opportunity to have the freedom to groom the children and give them free rides. He would have been under the radar, as he wasn't an employee.
3. From my research, I believe a person with certain traits, will display increasing risky behaviour as time progresses. This is to give themselves self fulfilment, a buzz that they got away with it. This, I believe is exactly what my POI has done.
4. Identified by 23, or stopped entirely. Paedophiles, do not just stop. They can't.
My POI was identified and reported to SAPOL in the 80s, again in the 90s and finally in 2014. He was jailed for 18years, for his offences.
by circumstance, he flew under the radar until this time. He lived at his parent's house his whole life until he went to jail. I am positive his parents knew what he did and protected him. They have even protected their house from being sold or demolished until after his death. To me that says there are bones or evidence on that property.
5. Multiple - if we take into account that the BC were groomed previous to their abduction, my POI could easily manipulate three children. I was a victim of his and it was like second nature for him to regularly manipulate four children at once - and to keep them from telling adults. The AO was just a little more risk, which would have given him an extra hit of adrenaline -
My POI is still top of my list and no one will convince me otherwise. Too many identifiers point to him. Of Course there is still the 'slipper fit' from the identikit person
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Are you speaking about Radan?
 
HELP
Can anyone tell me the name/names of the owner/operators of the boat rides in the mid sixties?
Also - During my research I found a web site which gave family names, addresses in particular years. Pretty sure it was under each suburb. Can anyone tell me what site it is please? I have forgotten.
 
Lyn said:
HELP
Can anyone tell me the name/names of the owner/operators of the boat rides in the mid sixties?
Also - During my research I found a web site which gave family names, addresses in particular years. Pretty sure it was under each suburb. Can anyone tell me what site it is please? I have forgotten.
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This may help, not sure

LibGuides: Almanacs and directories: Search directories online

Post Office directories and almanacs are a valuable source of information for family historians.
guides.slsa.sa.gov.au guides.slsa.sa.gov.au
 
Lyn said:
HELP
Can anyone tell me the name/names of the owner/operators of the boat rides in the mid sixties?
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"Watts skippered the boats until March 1962, when the business was sold to Keith and Elma Altmann. Keith Altmann had been working in petrol stations and did not know much about boats but on his first day as the boat owner he drove a Popeye during the Festival of Arts."

sahistoryhub.history.sa.gov.au

Popeye - History Hub

'Popeye the Sailor' was a popular cartoon at the cinema in the 1930s when Gordon Watts introduced a tourist pleasure craft on the River Torrens
sahistoryhub.history.sa.gov.au sahistoryhub.history.sa.gov.au
 
BonzaRam said:
"Watts skippered the boats until March 1962, when the business was sold to Keith and Elma Altmann. Keith Altmann had been working in petrol stations and did not know much about boats but on his first day as the boat owner he drove a Popeye during the Festival of Arts."

sahistoryhub.history.sa.gov.au

Popeye - History Hub

'Popeye the Sailor' was a popular cartoon at the cinema in the 1930s when Gordon Watts introduced a tourist pleasure craft on the River Torrens
sahistoryhub.history.sa.gov.au sahistoryhub.history.sa.gov.au
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Sorry, I should of clarified. The operator of the boat rides at the Glenelg side shows. Good information though.
 
BonzaRam said:
Oh ok, I will have a dig and see what I can find on them.
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Lyn said:
Sorry, I should of clarified. The operator of the boat rides at the Glenelg side shows. Good information though.
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I have done a search through a lot of archives trying to find this info but have not been able too. Plenty of articles pre the 1948 storm that wiped out a lot of the sideshows and very little after that until the early 1980s when Magic Mountain opened.

Perhaps contacting the State Library directly is needed...
 
BonzaRam said:
I have done a search through a lot of archives trying to find this info but have not been able too. Plenty of articles pre the 1948 storm that wiped out a lot of the sideshows and very little after that until the early 1980s when Magic Mountain opened.

Perhaps contacting the State Library directly is needed...
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Thankyou, I will see what I can find
 

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