Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[Lyn]

58 years today, if they were still alive Jane would be 67, Arnna 65 and Grant 62. At this distance in time, I don't think we'll ever know exactly what happened at Glenelg Beach that day.

We may, if SAPOL would listen.

 

[Deni]

We may, if SAPOL would listen.

Have you read the story about where the children are now and where they had lived when they were first taken??
There is a whole sickening family tree made up by some zorb in another forum, he has names and dates, I was sent a DM on Facebook purporting to be Grant Beaumont and it's not him and his sisters arn't Jane and Arnna. Sadly this person making all of these claims is suffering a mental health episode in my opinion!!

 

[Lyn]

Have you read the story about where the children are now and where they had lived when they were first taken??
There is a whole sickening family tree made up by some zorb in another forum, he has names and dates, I was sent a DM on Facebook purporting to be Grant Beaumont and it's not him and his sisters arn't Jane and Arnna. Sadly this person making all of these claims is suffering a mental health episode in my opinion!!

Yes, I vaguely remember reading about that guy. He's a nutta.
I do actually know a family I went to school with, two girls and a boy. The police staked the school and questioned the parents. I don't know how, or why Police thought they were the children. They had been at the school for years.

 

[Lyn]

I realise this is a sight specifically for discussions on the Beaumont children. However, I have been wondering if this could be related. I have never heard about this case. Does anyone have any information on this? Was the boy found - alive or deceased? Was anyone ever arrested?
Is he yet another possible body under the floorboards?

 

[Deni]

I realise this is a sight specifically for discussions on the Beaumont children. However, I have been wondering if this could be related. I have never heard about this case. Does anyone have any information on this? Was the boy found - alive or deceased? Was anyone ever arrested?
Is he yet another possible body under the floorboards?

You should join Robert Ratterlies Facebook page, he has all that kind of stuff in there

 

[Dusty 17]

Thanks for your reply. I know it is ,mostly circumstantial and glorification, but you would have to think there would have to be a few truths. I certainly don't think they have solved the case. I could slip my POI into every explantation they had in the first chapter.

I am currently reading that book and mentally edit as I go. So many inconsistencies and unsubstantiated claims int it. I have locked horns with SM on social media, because he is determined to frame his narrative based on his own theories.


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[Lyn]

I am currently reading that book and mentally edit as I go. So many inconsistencies and unsubstantiated claims int it. I have locked horns with SM on social media, because he is determined to frame his narrative based on his own theories.


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I am doing the same. I suppose that anyone - like myself, I can insert my POI into the scenario, based on my facts and theories on how and why he is the person who abducted the Beaumont Children and probably the girls from the Adelaide Oval

 

[Lyn]

You should join Robert Ratterlies Facebook page, he has all that kind of stuff in there

I am a member of his site. I have asked the question, but he doesn't know. A blizzard, but interesting site.

 

[Kurve]

Thread here for the new inquest ordered for the disappearance murder of Marilyn Wallman, up around where Arthur Stanley Brown was in the same period.

Unsolved - Disappearance Murder of 14yo Marilyn Wallman of McKay - INQUEST

A new inquest will re-examine the disappearance of a schoolgirl in north Queensland, one of Australia's longest-standing cold cases. Marilyn Joy Wallman was 14 when she vanished from an isolated stretch of road in Mackay while riding her bicycle in March 1972. Only a fragment of bone from...

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[Kit]

I am a member of his site. I have asked the question, but he doesn't know. A blizzard, but interesting site.

I can't find this name on Facebook, does he do by a different name than Robert Ratterlies

 

[Poppy Penny]

I realise this is a sight specifically for discussions on the Beaumont children. However, I have been wondering if this could be related. I have never heard about this case. Does anyone have any information on this? Was the boy found - alive or deceased? Was anyone ever arrested?
Is he yet another possible body under the floorboards?

A Peter Paul Niemirowski died on 23 August 2003, aged 49 years. Interred at Enfield, SA.

 

[DropBearess]

I can't find this name on Facebook, does he do by a different name than Robert Ratterlies

His name is Robert Rattley. I find him really obnoxious and his grammar is atrocious. One look at his page was enough for me.

 

[Kit]

His name is Robert Rattley. I find him really obnoxious and his grammar is atrocious. One look at his page was enough for me.

Thankyou! I'll check it out

 

[Lyn]

I can't find this name on Facebook, does he do by a different name than Robert Ratterlies

It's called 'The other side of the penny. A South Australian murder research group.
The guy who runs it is a little random. I do think he has spent many many hours in the library, going through news papers.
He does post some interesting articles of historical cases.
He does talk in riddles, about different cases, especially ones that involve pedofiles.

 

[johnymac1]

It's called 'The other side of the penny. A South Australian murder research group.
The guy who runs it is a little random. I do think he has spent many many hours in the library, going through news papers.
He does post some interesting articles of historical cases.
He does talk in riddles, about different cases, especially ones that involve pedofiles.

haven't heard of that group, what's the group obsessed with Adelaide's tunnels?

 

[Lyn]

haven't heard of that group, what's the group obsessed with Adelaide's tunnels?

Mainly focussed on pedophiles, how they infiltrated SA. The family murders. Dr ?? Who was thrown in the Torrens River. He mentions different people - mother Goose?? There was also photos of a mansion, that he talked about gay/ pedophile parties.
one very 'unique' person
He seems to change the name often.

 

[Lyn]

I have found another photo of my POI to compare with the police sketch. This photo was taken on a camping/fishing trip. His hair was usually combed back and neater.
He was tall, fit and usually tanned.

 

[Deni]

haven't heard of that group, what's the group obsessed with Adelaide's tunnels?

Robert has two groups going, one about his love for VonEiman and trying to get him freed and the other group about missing children..
I was a moderator for both groups until I started telling him some home truths about Vonnie, Robert is always going on about the poor homosexuals in S.A. how they are so done by "normal people" us hetrosexuals. He makes us all sound like homo bashers!!

 

[Lyn]

Robert has two groups going, one about his love for VonEiman and trying to get him freed and the other group about missing children..
I was a moderator for both groups until I started telling him some home truths about Vonnie, Robert is always going on about the poor homosexuals in S.A. how they are so done by "normal people" us hetrosexuals. He makes us all sound like homo bashers!!

Funny, I always thought his sight was against pedophiles.
I do think VonEinem took the wrap, but he is not innocent.
I am a member of his site, purely to gather information for my own investigations.

 

[Lyn]

I would say that 95% the offender is dead by now, even if still alive and very old I think he will take his secret to the grave with him. No way would he voluntarily confess; even if he did so on his deathbed the confession of a dying man is notoriously hard to verify from a legal perspective.

My theory in this case has always been that the offender was a young, married father who would take his own kids to Glenelg beach and used these visits to meet and get the Beaumont children to trust him in the weeks beforehand. It's the only explanation that makes sense as to why three children normally wary of strangers were so comfortable in the company of an unidentified man that day before they vanished. It is unlikely they would have fallen for the stranger with a bag of candy trick on the day given Jane was a responsible 9-year-old. A seemingly innocent comment made by Arnna several weeks earlier about 'Jane having a boyfriend at the beach,' would also make sense if she was talking about the man's young son.

So if they ran into this man on his own at Glenelg Beach this day, who advised them that his own son and daughter weren't there because they had to go shopping for school supplies with their mother, but how about they come back to his house out of the searing heat because his wife and kids would be returning soon? Then they could see their friends, and he could drive the three of them home before their own mother missed them? The kids might well have believed that because this man was such a nice guy based on their past encounters and that he was a husband and father there was no way he could be a dangerous stranger and gone with him, the crowds at the beach, Colley Reserve and Jetty Road providing ideal cover for the offender to carry out the abduction.

Even if the above hypothetical is exactly right, and the man responsible is dead by now, it is still going to be mighty hard to prove beyond all reasonable doubt. Say the man's elderly widow died leaving behind a 'not to be opened in my lifetime letter' with a lawyer in which she advised that her late husband was the abductor and murderer of the Beaumont children, citing her reasons for knowing this, it's still hard to prove that the information provided is correct without physical proof. And likewise if the man's son made a deathbed statement about his father's alleged involvement in the case, or the daughter was bothered by her conscience and gave the police a statement alleging her deceased father was the killer, we have the same problems of verifying the information to a high enough legal standard to prove the case.

The only way it could be verified is if the information led to location of the remains of the Beaumont children, or if there was some sort of other proof, like the killer keeping Jane's purse as a souvenir and presenting it to the police, but even then you can't try a dead man.

I have my own POI, but I certainly take others into account. Your theory has a glitch in such, that in the 1960s, no stores that sold school supplies would have been open on a public holiday.
I realise we are considering a different type of person, but I couldn't imagine my father going to the beach, without us kids - especially on a public holiday.
I do believe the children were groomed in weeks leading up to the abduction. I have my theories on how that occured.
I believe he was quite skilled in manipulating groups of children. Gaining Jane's trust and the other younger children followed.
I do believe he took Jane's purse, to aid in his legitimacy to offer to buy lunch and take them home. Building their reliance on him.
I think the amount of food and drink bought, was another ploy to trick the children. Enough to feed the three children, the man and for Mr and Mrs Beaumont.
He had to be able to dispose of three bodies, maybe more, not to be found in over 60 years.
In my scenario, my POI worked with and had 24/7 hour access to furnaces . There is also a property, where I believe evidence is hidden, only to be exposed when my POI passes away and hopefully the house will be demolished.
My poi was being protected, to the degree, that he wouldn't be found out until after death. He would still be flying under the radar, if our 40 year fight for justice wasn't heard.

 

[DropBearess]

I have my own POI, but I certainly take others into account. Your theory has a glitch in such, that in the 1960s, no stores that sold school supplies would have been open on a public holiday.
I realise we are considering a different type of person, but I couldn't imagine my father going to the beach, without us kids - especially on a public holiday.
I do believe the children were groomed in weeks leading up to the abduction. I have my theories on how that occured.
I believe he was quite skilled in manipulating groups of children. Gaining Jane's trust and the other younger children followed.
I do believe he took Jane's purse, to aid in his legitimacy to offer to buy lunch and take them home. Building their reliance on him.
I think the amount of food and drink bought, was another ploy to trick the children. Enough to feed the three children, the man and for Mr and Mrs Beaumont.
He had to be able to dispose of three bodies, maybe more, not to be found in over 60 years.
In my scenario, my POI worked with and had 24/7 hour access to furnaces . There is also a property, where I believe evidence is hidden, only to be exposed when my POI passes away and hopefully the house will be demolished.
My poi was being protected, to the degree, that he wouldn't be found out until after death. He would still be flying under the radar, if our 40 year fight for justice wasn't heard.

Emuboy's theory doesn't have a glitch. All stores on Jetty Road were indeed open for school supplies and everything else. Although it was Australia Day, it was not a public holiday.

There is no proof whatsoever the BC bought food for anyone else other than themselves and their mum. The theory they bought food for anyone else seems to have gained momentum through a certain recent book, which imo is full of inaccuracies, nonsense and lacks credibility.

I think it's great you have a POI, but if you base your theory on inaccuracies people won't take it seriously.

 

[jason_recliner]

And it's all been covered up by police, or on orders from the government issued to the police.

No, it hasn't.

A protected and privileged elite are most likely behind this case, not a lone perpetrator, unlike the Adelaide Oval abduction, and the truth is still a long way off... The people who perpetrated this crime are very hidden, very powerful, and very vicious. And similar circles exist across Australia today. Anyone who tries to reveal anything gets derailed or discredited.

No, they aren't. If you knew anything about Adelaide society, you'd know that there are a bunch of very weathy people who would love to solve this case, even more so if it meant blowing the lid on other wealthy Adelaide people.

 

[Kurve]

Rubbish. I say it has. State your proof of no deliberate cover-up.

It doesn't work like that, you can't prove a negative.

 

[jason_recliner]

Of course a cover-up occurred. Is Bevan Spencer Von Einem the only culprit in the Family Murders? Of course he isn't!

This is a thread about the Beaumont children.

So what if there are "very wealthy people" in Adelaide who want it solved? Sh-t, I'm wealthy myself. It still hasn't happened. People everywhere want it solved, regardless of their income or status. Some wealthy people in Adelaide were involved - but not all Adelaide people - and those wealthy and powerful people had the ability to pull strings and have things suppressed. (Nancy and Jim never found themselves short of a dollar afterwards, either.)

You believe people can suppress the Beaumont investigation and protect the perpetrators using wealth and power but people cannot solve the case using wealth and power?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Then why state it? (Him, not me.)

Cover-ups happen all the time. Politics is a joke, sometimes with a tragic ending. And that harms all of us, the entirety of the honest mainstream Australian population. Paul Keating is the person of interest in Bill Heffernan's intrigue case.

Heffernan?! The one who used a forged CommCar log book to accuse Kirby using parliamentary privilege?

And then again with his 'former PM' claim.
Yet nothing has come to light since.
Heffernan was a loose cannon manipulated by others in his party for partisan purposes.