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That is what is rumoured. We dont have vision of that one particular fan doing that. Whereas we have recorded sound of thousands of United fans chanting murderers.
I'm confident that if we play the way we played last night and we don't get reffed out of another game we could pick up 9 points from our next 3 games. Things seem to be coming together. Last night was so hard to stomach but it really does look like we'll be a really good side towards the second half of the season and beyond.
Really need to pick up some points in the next 3 though. After that its Everton (Away), Newcastle (Home) and Chelsea (away) where we would realistically get a maximum of 4 points, more likely 1 or 2.
Really need to pick up some points in the next 3 though. After that its Everton (Away), Newcastle (Home) and Chelsea (away) where we would realistically get a maximum of 4 points, more likely 1 or 2.
Not at EPL level he wont. Silva and Mata get beasted enough never mind Suso who could get farted off the ball by guys like Diame and Mulumbu. Too lightweight to play centrally. Sterling is better suited centrally then Suso and thats saying something cos Sterling looks at home out wide.
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so what's your point? every club has ******ed fans
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Only watched the first half.
Didn't see too much debatable there other then Shelvey/Evans but believe you got some dodgy ones later in the game.
FFS. The bloke is 18 and has played 45 minutes of Premier League football but you've made your mind up on his long-term positional prospects!?
On top of that, you are arguing with people (particularly ADL9798) who have watched Suso play many times for the academy side, reserves, Spain U19s etc. There's no shame in deferring to people with greater knowledge on the subject.
You don't know everything about every player, Embers, even if you apparently think you do.
Suso seems a better passer of the ball than he is say out wide
We've lacked someone who can play in those little areas making good runs and putting in good passes since, shudders, Mereiles
He plays, should be starting every other game Sterling doesn't start
We've lacked someone who can play in those little areas making good runs and putting in good passes since, shudders, Mereiles
He plays, should be starting every other game Sterling doesn't start
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Kelly out for 3 months
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/24/liverpool-martin-kelly-ruled-out-injury
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/24/liverpool-martin-kelly-ruled-out-injury
Agger is our for the season as well I heard.
Not 100 percent sure.
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He's actually really strong on the ball, he has a low centre of gravity so pushing him off is difficult. He also has insane ball control so you push him and he gets pushed but the ball stays with him. He is very good.
But keep waffling on. Ive seen him play a ton of games for our reserves. Ive taken a keen interest in both Suso and Sterling because I knew how good they were. So ive seen a lot of them. How much of Suso have you seen? Let me guess. 45 minutes?
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Thoughts on Shelvey/Evans. Evans goes in two footed, studs up. Shelvey only has one foot in, they both win the ball.
You missed the second half so you obviously missed this.
Disgrace and im sick of referee's falling for shit like the above. What is Valencia's leading foot doing? He just sprawls it out and goes down and he wins a football match by cheating. There is no contact at all. Im sick of it.
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Kelly we can cover. Were not short of RB's but that would mean Johnson coming back over to RB and Enrique finding some form. Wisdom was very impressive against YB's. Robinson is about and Carra can play anywhere across the back 4.
It's Agger that is the problem. If it's the season. Well **** everything.
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Just as I posted the above the official website has updated Kelly, Borini and Agger injuries.
Horrible news for Kelly. I had heard he wouldnt be back til January but apparently he needs a knee reconstruction. In AFL, that is a full 12 months off so I wouldnt expect to see Kelly at all this season.
Borini apparently has considerable swelling to his ankle and is waiting for is to come down a bit for a scan so have to wait til tomorrow for more news on that.
Daniel Agger.....
Meanwhile, fellow defender Daniel Agger, who was stretchered off the pitch 13 minutes before Kelly limped out of action, has suffered a significant bone bruise to the left knee.
No ligament damage was sustained but further tests will be carried out before it can be established when he will be able to return to training.
Please football gods. Let it be bone bruising and a few weeks. Please, please, please.
Horrible news for Kelly. I had heard he wouldnt be back til January but apparently he needs a knee reconstruction. In AFL, that is a full 12 months off so I wouldnt expect to see Kelly at all this season.
Borini apparently has considerable swelling to his ankle and is waiting for is to come down a bit for a scan so have to wait til tomorrow for more news on that.
Daniel Agger.....
Meanwhile, fellow defender Daniel Agger, who was stretchered off the pitch 13 minutes before Kelly limped out of action, has suffered a significant bone bruise to the left knee.
No ligament damage was sustained but further tests will be carried out before it can be established when he will be able to return to training.
Please football gods. Let it be bone bruising and a few weeks. Please, please, please.
How long is Borini out for again?
Coates should be a shoe-in for starting next to Skrtel, no more bloody Carra
Coates should be a shoe-in for starting next to Skrtel, no more bloody Carra
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Gotta wait til tomorrow and a scan for Borini. Dont think it will be anything too serious.
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There's so much wrong with what you've just written I don't know where to start. Size doesn't come into it. Some of the best central midfielders in the EPL and around the world are Suso's size or smaller and they excel because of their superior technical ability and agility. I'm talking about the likes of Silva, Mata (where you get the idea that they've struggled in the EPL I'm not sure), Scholes, Wilshere, Allen, Xavi, Fabregas, Gotze, Modric, Cazorla, Kagawa etc etc.
What these players have in common is excellent balance and core strength, something Suso showed when he bodied the much larger Antonio Valencia out of an aerial contest with ease in the 2nd half on the weekend before bringing the ball under control with one touch and laying it off to the oncoming Glen Johnson.
As for your suggestion that Sterling is better suited centrally? I have no words. Raheem Sterling has always been and will always be a winger.
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so depressed about kelly.
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I think the problem with the Johnson/Valencia penalty decision is that due to the very slight contact made it was a 50/50 call. By the letter of the law it's a penalty but you see them not given often enough to expect that the referee may have decided not to call it. Those sorts of decisions are entirely subjective and sometimes they're given, sometimes they aren't so to be honest it's impossible to argue with them.
The frustrating thing for me and for other Liverpool supporters is that within the same game, the Suarez/Evans and Agger/Evans incidents had just as much grounds to be called as penalties yet were waved on despite involving arguably more significant contact from the defenders. It's disappointing to see inconsistent refereeing decisions (whether right or wrong) undo some fantastic work from Liverpool who deserved all 3 points after completely outplaying United for 90 minutes despite playing with a man down for the majority of it.
As I said previously, hopefully this performance has given the players the confidence that Rodgers' style is one that can bring success if they all buy into it completely. It's a method that requires the players to be confident enough in their own ability to stick to it even when under immense pressure before it will be effective, and I believe that is the part that has taken time to adjust to over the first few weeks. 1 or 2 players (Gerrard) have fallen back into their comfort zone and resorted to playing impatient 'hollywood' passes, leaving their teammates caught out of position which have high potential to result in a loss of possession and a counter attack opportunity (for me this type of mistake has been the root cause of 99% of the goals we've conceded so far so they're easily ironed out). I think the game against United we saw Gerrard finally accepting the game plan and electing to play more intelligent passes which helped us to retain possession and control the game.
If they continue to play as they did against United then the upcoming games against Norwich, Stoke, Reading, Everton etc will see some dominant displays by the Reds. I have no doubt whatsoever in Rodger's ability as a manager and I can see it only being a matter of time before we climb back up the table. It's only 5 games into the season and as we saw with Arsenal last season nothing is set in stone yet.
The frustrating thing for me and for other Liverpool supporters is that within the same game, the Suarez/Evans and Agger/Evans incidents had just as much grounds to be called as penalties yet were waved on despite involving arguably more significant contact from the defenders. It's disappointing to see inconsistent refereeing decisions (whether right or wrong) undo some fantastic work from Liverpool who deserved all 3 points after completely outplaying United for 90 minutes despite playing with a man down for the majority of it.
As I said previously, hopefully this performance has given the players the confidence that Rodgers' style is one that can bring success if they all buy into it completely. It's a method that requires the players to be confident enough in their own ability to stick to it even when under immense pressure before it will be effective, and I believe that is the part that has taken time to adjust to over the first few weeks. 1 or 2 players (Gerrard) have fallen back into their comfort zone and resorted to playing impatient 'hollywood' passes, leaving their teammates caught out of position which have high potential to result in a loss of possession and a counter attack opportunity (for me this type of mistake has been the root cause of 99% of the goals we've conceded so far so they're easily ironed out). I think the game against United we saw Gerrard finally accepting the game plan and electing to play more intelligent passes which helped us to retain possession and control the game.
If they continue to play as they did against United then the upcoming games against Norwich, Stoke, Reading, Everton etc will see some dominant displays by the Reds. I have no doubt whatsoever in Rodger's ability as a manager and I can see it only being a matter of time before we climb back up the table. It's only 5 games into the season and as we saw with Arsenal last season nothing is set in stone yet.
In reserves if he was getting out muscled he would have been sold by now. Its ****ing reserves. Id be more impressed if he was dominating the A-League personally. Its a personal judgment based on those 45 minutes only. Pretty obvious to see his strengths of his game would suit to RW. Just like the very players you compared him too in Silva and Mata (unless they are CMs now?)
As for ADL list how many of those players play EPL football week in week out? Scholes and even he has 16kg on Suso. Wilshere barely plays. Cazorla + Kagawa are playing out wide in a midfield 3 or behind the lone striker/not a CM role. You named 1 CM at EPL level in total there.
Its hardly a criticism. He shapes up/dribbles/moves like Adam Johnson. Adam Johnson also started his career at CM before being moved to LW before finally finishing up going to RW.
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I brought this up last week. I'm glad Steve & Glen have publicly pointed it out as there's been a couple of freekicks/penalty decisions which Luis hasn't received in my opinion because of his reputation, not because it was the right call. I'm glad that the referees are being put under pressure because it's the sort of thing that can and has cost us points. For example, I guarantee the referee considered the penalty shout on the weekend and then thought "no, that Luis Suarez always dives, that means there wasn't any contact, play on" which is rubbish. Yes he makes the most of the contact, but in this and 99% of the other cases the appeals for fouls on Suarez are as a result of legitimate contact being made.
He's theatrical, but he's not a diver. There's a difference between the 2. His remarkably quick feet mean that in most instances the only way defenders can stop him is by hacking him down, tactics which should not be rewarded. We pay our money to see skillful players like Suarez showcase their talent. Unfortunately for us, it's a negative feedback cycle as the longer the referees continue to not award him freekicks when he deserves them, the more frustrated he's going to get with them and the more he's going to feel he has to emphasize the contact being made.
I brought this up last week. I'm glad Steve & Glen have publicly pointed it out as there's been a couple of freekicks/penalty decisions which Luis hasn't received in my opinion because of his reputation, not because it was the right call. I'm glad that the referees are being put under pressure because it's the sort of thing that can and has cost us points. For example, I guarantee the referee considered the penalty shout on the weekend and then thought "no, that Luis Suarez always dives, that means there wasn't any contact, play on" which is rubbish. Yes he makes the most of the contact, but in this and 99% of the other cases the appeals for fouls on Suarez are as a result of legitimate contact being made.
He's theatrical, but he's not a diver. There's a difference between the 2. His remarkably quick feet mean that in most instances the only way defenders can stop him is by hacking him down, tactics which should not be rewarded. We pay our money to see skillful players like Suarez showcase their talent. Unfortunately for us, it's a negative feedback cycle as the longer the referees continue to not award him freekicks when he deserves them, the more frustrated he's going to get with them and the more he's going to feel he has to emphasize the contact being made.
This is a troll surely?
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Because he is trying to say theatrical and diving is different. Its tomato, tomatoe at the end. Valencia didnt dive on the weekend but he was very theatrical yet everyones calling it a dive
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