Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 3

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damn, HBF didn't get himself a ticket the silly banana
 
Thanks friend but too many dollar bucks for us!
 
Williams going forward and shining on opportunistic goals potentially shows how the other small fwds are struggling in this area....and struggling when there is no better big combo to work off in the league.

With Motlop showing nothing currently (and there may be good reason), and Martin and Marchbank looking completely out of sorts injury wise then i think the only player that might turn the needle in the next group of games after the bye is Cerra.

The others are role players.
 
If Laura Kane wanted to do something really easy to get a tick off from fans and make the comp fairer, she should make sure all teams play each other in the first 18 rounds before the six double ups. Tell the nerd doing the fixture it is not at all hard and don't take any pathetic excuses on why it needs to be done any other way. Play Cats a second time in about 8 weeks without having played half the bottom sides.
 

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If Laura Kane wanted to do something really easy to get a tick off from fans and make the comp fairer, she should make sure all teams play each other in the first 18 rounds before the six double ups. Tell the nerd doing the fixture it is not at all hard and don't take any pathetic excuses on why it needs to be done any other way. Play Cats a second time in about 8 weeks without having played half the bottom sides.
You think this is bad, you should see the NRL.

There are times where the same teams will play each other twice in the opening six/seven weeks of the season.

You're right though, shouldn't be that difficult.
 
You think this is bad, you should see the NRL.

There are times where the same teams will play each other twice in the opening six/seven weeks of the season.

You're right though, shouldn't be that difficult.
Can’t believe teams also get 2 premiership points for a bye, makes absolutely zero sense…
 
It sounds like the Colin Carter proposal to have VFA premierships from 1877 to 1896 recognised for those current AFL/VFL sides who played in the VFA competition at that time, is going to be ratified by the AFL Commission.

I for one agree with this as the VFA competition at that time (1877 to 1896) was the most senior and preeminent football competition at that time and their was no higher premiership available to be won.

For Carlton this means our premiership record will be 18 as the VFA premierships of 1877 and 1887 will count (their is an argument that our pre-VFA premierships of 1871,1873,1874,1875 should count as well but that’s an argument for another time ;) ).

So all that’s left to be said bring on number 19.

:thumbsu:
 
It sounds like the Colin Carter proposal to have VFA premierships from 1877 to 1896 recognised for those current AFL/VFL sides who played in the VFA competition at that time, is going to be ratified by the AFL Commission.

I for one agree with this as the VFA competition at that time (1877 to 1896) was the most senior and preeminent football competition at that time and their was no higher premiership available to be won.

For Carlton this means our premiership record will be 18 as the VFA premierships of 1877 and 1887 will count (their is an argument that our pre-VFA premierships of 1871,1873,1874,1875 should count as well but that’s an argument for another time ;) ).

So all that’s left to be said bring on number 19.

:thumbsu:

It's not the VFL/AFL and should not count for this competition. We can count our 6 pre-VFL flags in our own history, but the AFL shouldn't count any of them.

Should Port be able to count their million SANFL flags?
 
It's not the VFL/AFL and should not count for this competition. We can count our 6 pre-VFL flags in our own history, but the AFL shouldn't count any of them.

Should Port be able to count their million SANFL flags?

No they shouldn’t as the SANFL was not the most preeminent competition at that time.

The VFA between 1877 and 1896 was the preeminent football competition at the time and no higher prize could be won at the time than the VFA premiership.
 
It sounds like the Colin Carter proposal to have VFA premierships from 1877 to 1896 recognised for those current AFL/VFL sides who played in the VFA competition at that time, is going to be ratified by the AFL Commission.

I for one agree with this as the VFA competition at that time (1877 to 1896) was the most senior and preeminent football competition at that time and their was no higher premiership available to be won.

For Carlton this means our premiership record will be 18 as the VFA premierships of 1877 and 1887 will count (their is an argument that our pre-VFA premierships of 1871,1873,1874,1875 should count as well but that’s an argument for another time ;) ).

So all that’s left to be said bring on number 19.

:thumbsu:
Would also put Essendon on 20, Collingwood and Geelong on 17. Don't like it. Unless they want to go back further and include the 1870-76 era (which would bring us to 22).
 
No they shouldn’t as the SANFL was not the most preeminent competition at that time.

The VFA between 1877 and 1896 was the preeminent football competition at the time and no higher prize could be won at the time than the VFA premiership.

There were times when the SA competition or SA clubs were better than VFL clubs. It's not like it was just a century of complete dominance.

The VFA is an ongoing competition. They already count our VFA flags in their history. The rival VFL competition can't adopt those as part of its own records.

Our first VFA flag, the first VFA season had 5 teams including Hotham and Albert Park. How do you count that as a VFL/AFL flag but at the same time say that Hotham and Albert Park were never part of the competition. It's ridiculously messy and opens up a massive can of worms.
 
If Laura Kane wanted to do something really easy to get a tick off from fans and make the comp fairer, she should make sure all teams play each other in the first 18 rounds before the six double ups. Tell the nerd doing the fixture it is not at all hard and don't take any pathetic excuses on why it needs to be done any other way. Play Cats a second time in about 8 weeks without having played half the bottom sides.
And we get some of those bottom sides hitting peak form like Hawks, Weagles playing better at home, North (for a second time showing upside), Bulldogs starting to get into the groove, and even Tigers next week may not be a lay down monty either as they're also showing some up side at times. I think we've just had a season where most timings of our games (except for Good Friday) has resulted in us meeting our opponents at least opportune times from our point of view (injuries and form)
 
Would also put Essendon on 20, Collingwood and Geelong on 17. Don't like it. Unless they want to go back further and include the 1870-76 era (which would bring us to 22).


There is an argument that they should also include the pre-VFA era from 1870-1876 - as again there was no other more senior or pre-eminent football competition in any of the colonies.
 
There were times when the SA competition or SA clubs were better than VFL clubs. It's not like it was just a century of complete dominance.

The VFA is an ongoing competition. They already count our VFA flags in their history. The rival VFL competition can't adopt those as part of its own records.

Our first VFA flag, the first VFA season had 5 teams including Hotham and Albert Park. How do you count that as a VFL/AFL flag but at the same time say that Hotham and Albert Park were never part of the competition. It's ridiculously messy and opens up a massive can of worms.

The SA competition should not be counted as it did not morph into the VFL.

Its wrong to talk about "the rival VFL" competion because during the period 1877-1896 there was no rival VFL competition - the only and preeminent competition in existence at the time was the VFA, and those clubs who played in that VFA competition could not play any other more senior competition.

I'm also not saying that Hotham and Albert Park were never part of the VFA competition - they were part of the competition - just like University were part of the VFL between 1908 to 1914, they never won premierships so really its a moot point.
 
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The SA competition should not be counted as it did not morph into the VFL.

Its wrong to talk about "the rival VFL" competion because during the period 1877-1896 there was no rival VFL competition - the only and preeminent competition in existence at the time was the VFA, and those clubs who played in that VFA competition could not play any other more senior competition.

I'm also not saying that Hotham and Albert Park were never part of the VFA competition - they were part of the competition - just like University were part of the VFL between 1908 to 1914, they never won premierships so really its a moot point.

The VFA didn't morph into the VFL either. A few strong clubs wanted to break away and roped a few more in to join them. Carlton were not a strong club at this time and were basically the last team asked.

The VFA was just as strong as the VFL for a while after the VFL was formed. The VFL pulled 3 more clubs away in 1910 and 1925.

University are officially included as a VFL team because they existed in the comp. Albert Park aren't but they are in the VFA history.

Fitzroy still exist (not as the Brisbane Lions), but they don't count their VFL flags in the amateur comp they are in, despite the weighting of those flags.
 

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