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Agree.
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Please...
Ed Curnow?
Marc Murphy?
Are you really suggesting they're not AFL standard?
In fact, Liam Jones would get a guernsey at another club if we were stupid enough to delist him.
Despite that, I understand your point.
Ed Curnow?
Marc Murphy?
Are you really suggesting they're not AFL standard?
In fact, Liam Jones would get a guernsey at another club if we were stupid enough to delist him.
Despite that, I understand your point.
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Ok. Ill correct it to 4 players...the point stands.
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WHERE DID IT ALL GO WRONG?
2008 draft period
Pick 6: Yarran. Risky pick. Safer pick the kid who kicked 10 in a TAC Cup grand final Sidebottom
Pick 40: Robinson. Slider due to above the shoulder issues. Said issues saw him traded.
Pick 65: Rhys O'Keefe. Another slider, anyone know why that happened or why he never developed?
Pick 85: Caleb Tiller. Took a punt very late.
Traded out picks 24 & 56 for Robbie Warnock. In that range (within 10 picks) the following players were picked; Jack Redden, Dan Hannerbery, Liam Shiels, Dayne Beams all pick 24. Nothing of note around 56.
Could/should have taken: Hannerbery/Beams & Sidebottom
We ended up with: Warnock & Yarran
2009 draft period
Pick 12: Kane Lucas. Many had him anywhere within the 5-15 range. Accumulator with a touch of class/confidence was what was said about him going into the draft. Why did we not develop him? We apparently were very keen on Talia but couldn't let Lucas slide further but as you'll see below we could have had both!
Brock McLean: traded pick 11 for him. Instead of getting Lucas AND Talia we got 2 midfielders and paid crazy overs for McLean.
Pick 43: Marcus Davies. We seemed over keen on him most had him in the 45-60 range. Just didn't have any tricks but should have been a role player. Again we didn't develop him
Pick 59: Rohan Kerr. Nobody expected him to be drafted.
Could/should have taken: Talia, Lucas, Stratton/Roberton, Davies
We ended up with: McLean, Lucas, Davies, Kerr
2010 draft period
Andrew Collins: Straight swap for Grigg. Crazy we couldn't get a pick (51 or 63) included (assuming the trade had to be done)
Pick 18: Matt Watson. Seriously. All write ups were concerned with his lack of pace and it eventually showed every time he pulled on the jumper. Was considered around the 20-30 range. All of the following were rated higher who went after him; Isaac Smith, Lycett, Jack Darling (discipline issues) & Luke Parker
Pick 34: Pat McCarthy. This is the great unknown. Why did this pick go so badly? He was touted for our first pick and an u18 AA. Was conisdered to be a very good KPD in the 15-25 range.
Pick 42: Luke Mitchell. Rated in the 25-50 range so seems like a fair enough pick. Didn't develop at all (common theme).
Pick 67: McInnes. Late pick wasn't really a slider. Just didn't develop enough to be a role player. ACL early on wouldn't have helped but others have recovered from this
Pick 70: Duigan. Probably our 2nd best pick over the 3 years!
Could/should have taken: Parker/Lycett/Darling/Smith, McCarthy, Tom McDonald & Andrew Collins, Luke Mitchell, McInnes & Duigan
We ended up with: Watson, McCarthy, Collins, Luke Mitchell, McInnes & Duigan
I guess its easy in hindsight but we made consistently 3 massive mistakes.
Traded poorly: getting in Warnock when we had a lot of rucks! This cost us a good chance at taking a very good player with a pick in the 20s like Beams or Hannerbery. A first round pick for McLean which cost us Daniel Talia or Aaron Black.
Drafted poorly (went risky too often): Yarran & Mitch Robinson back to back picks. Crazy really. Both had huge risks attached. So too did Menzel a few years later. Look what happened all 3 blew up in our face. Should have been 1 risky pick there.
Another horrible pick was Matt Watson at pick 18 & Davies at pick 43. Watson wasn't rated that high by many & Davies would have likely been there at our next pick and if he wasn't he wasn't ever going to be more than a role player anyway. Those two decisions cost us a Lycett/Parker & Stratton/Roberton.
Didn't develop highly rated kids: Kane Lucas, Rhys O'Keefe Pat McCarthy & Luke Mitchell weren't what I'd consider "bad" picks and were all considered to go around or before the picks we used. They were all very highly rated walking into the club but for whatever reason failed to live up to expectations.
2008 draft period
Pick 6: Yarran. Risky pick. Safer pick the kid who kicked 10 in a TAC Cup grand final Sidebottom
Pick 40: Robinson. Slider due to above the shoulder issues. Said issues saw him traded.
Pick 65: Rhys O'Keefe. Another slider, anyone know why that happened or why he never developed?
Pick 85: Caleb Tiller. Took a punt very late.
Traded out picks 24 & 56 for Robbie Warnock. In that range (within 10 picks) the following players were picked; Jack Redden, Dan Hannerbery, Liam Shiels, Dayne Beams all pick 24. Nothing of note around 56.
Could/should have taken: Hannerbery/Beams & Sidebottom
We ended up with: Warnock & Yarran
2009 draft period
Pick 12: Kane Lucas. Many had him anywhere within the 5-15 range. Accumulator with a touch of class/confidence was what was said about him going into the draft. Why did we not develop him? We apparently were very keen on Talia but couldn't let Lucas slide further but as you'll see below we could have had both!
Brock McLean: traded pick 11 for him. Instead of getting Lucas AND Talia we got 2 midfielders and paid crazy overs for McLean.
Pick 43: Marcus Davies. We seemed over keen on him most had him in the 45-60 range. Just didn't have any tricks but should have been a role player. Again we didn't develop him
Pick 59: Rohan Kerr. Nobody expected him to be drafted.
Could/should have taken: Talia, Lucas, Stratton/Roberton, Davies
We ended up with: McLean, Lucas, Davies, Kerr
2010 draft period
Andrew Collins: Straight swap for Grigg. Crazy we couldn't get a pick (51 or 63) included (assuming the trade had to be done)
Pick 18: Matt Watson. Seriously. All write ups were concerned with his lack of pace and it eventually showed every time he pulled on the jumper. Was considered around the 20-30 range. All of the following were rated higher who went after him; Isaac Smith, Lycett, Jack Darling (discipline issues) & Luke Parker
Pick 34: Pat McCarthy. This is the great unknown. Why did this pick go so badly? He was touted for our first pick and an u18 AA. Was conisdered to be a very good KPD in the 15-25 range.
Pick 42: Luke Mitchell. Rated in the 25-50 range so seems like a fair enough pick. Didn't develop at all (common theme).
Pick 67: McInnes. Late pick wasn't really a slider. Just didn't develop enough to be a role player. ACL early on wouldn't have helped but others have recovered from this
Pick 70: Duigan. Probably our 2nd best pick over the 3 years!
Could/should have taken: Parker/Lycett/Darling/Smith, McCarthy, Tom McDonald & Andrew Collins, Luke Mitchell, McInnes & Duigan
We ended up with: Watson, McCarthy, Collins, Luke Mitchell, McInnes & Duigan
I guess its easy in hindsight but we made consistently 3 massive mistakes.
Traded poorly: getting in Warnock when we had a lot of rucks! This cost us a good chance at taking a very good player with a pick in the 20s like Beams or Hannerbery. A first round pick for McLean which cost us Daniel Talia or Aaron Black.
Drafted poorly (went risky too often): Yarran & Mitch Robinson back to back picks. Crazy really. Both had huge risks attached. So too did Menzel a few years later. Look what happened all 3 blew up in our face. Should have been 1 risky pick there.
Another horrible pick was Matt Watson at pick 18 & Davies at pick 43. Watson wasn't rated that high by many & Davies would have likely been there at our next pick and if he wasn't he wasn't ever going to be more than a role player anyway. Those two decisions cost us a Lycett/Parker & Stratton/Roberton.
Didn't develop highly rated kids: Kane Lucas, Rhys O'Keefe Pat McCarthy & Luke Mitchell weren't what I'd consider "bad" picks and were all considered to go around or before the picks we used. They were all very highly rated walking into the club but for whatever reason failed to live up to expectations.
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A thing that has crept in and really p155es me off is the post match interviews always ending about ******* smoothies and recovery. Doing them in front of the sponsors sign is enough advertising for me.
This is not news. Unfortunately many of the players we have in the important 24-28 age group are gap fillers & nothing more.
Without again dissecting the reason for this (poor drafting from 2009-2014, Cripps excepted), you can't be competitive if you do not have enough quality players in this age group. This has been identified by a number of people at our club. They are not ignoring the fact, it just can't be fixed overnight & can't be easily fixed if players in this age group looking for a trade choose clubs on the basis of their likelihood of playing finals sooner rather than later.
SOS has invested heavily in the draft over the last 3 years & we are seeing many of these kids showing some promising signs, but they are being expected to shoulder more of the load than they should be at this stage of their career.
One thing that should be said for the club is they made it abundantly clear from the start of our rebuild that it was not going to be easy & until we can fix the imbalance in our playing list, we are going to be faced with further tough times.
I hope the information includes what the **** is going on with our medical & conditioning staff.
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Is this a regular thing ? Or is it in response to Saturday's loss ??
the Blumour file will be busy tonight!
harrisendblue
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Shane Rogers.
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Now what sort of member are u talking Pass. Three game, home and away or one of those free memberships. No issue in favouring those who provide significant financial support to the club.
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Perhaps we using the same staff as the Magpies.
Yep.
That's served us soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo well for the last 15 years.
Are you serious?
There's 54000 of us, reckon they should call us all in on a Monday night?
harrisendblue
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Yep.
That's served us soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo well for the last 15 years.
It has served us well or have you forgotten the 35 years before your 15?
Seriously all clubs do the same thing Pass. You don't think that 4250 for a basic adult membership without the cost of guests/lunches doesn't warrant anything extra?
You mean the years Elliot cheated the cap and we had a board full of nuffies who set us on this path?
Flags cover a lot of faults but that arrogance has proved a huge burden.
Our club doesn't rate its supporters, never has, and wonders why they can't get memberships up.
harrisendblue
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Cant remember the board rules being changed so that they cant be challenged. They might have made it harder.
Interstate members cant vote really? All 11 game members can vote, not sure if you need to send a form confirming that though.
I have noticed a huge improvement in their inclusiveness.
Interstate members cant vote really? All 11 game members can vote, not sure if you need to send a form confirming that though.
I have noticed a huge improvement in their inclusiveness.
harrisendblue
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Im talking in the present tense and I have noticed a huge improvement.
Our club cant get memberships up because we haven't been winning has had nothing to do with being arrogant.
By way of clarification we cheated the cap in 2001 and if you don't think other clubs weren't doing the same then that's well interesting.
Blaming Jack is way to easy. Which board members are the so called nuffies and why have you so rated them?
Blaming Jack is easy, there's a reason for that.
But any new push by the club to be more inclusive of it's supporters could be cosmetic. I'll give them this.
Bolts is better than MM
SOS is better than Hughes/Rodgers
Membership is at 54k
That's it. And really, that's not much of a resume for our board considering many of them (or a member of their faction) were there when MM was appointed.
You want to run through the list of dead weight on our board for 20 years? C'mon man. Open your eyes.
The "everyone else was doing it" defence doesn't wash with 5 year old kids, let alone a supposedly professional football club.
The fact we have been (and continue to be) so unsuccessful means it is up to this current regime to show that they have what it takes because a quality admin does not guarantee a flag but it's pretty certain, in the modern era at least, you won't win one with a poor one.
Anyway, nobody wants to hear this stuff because we're so desperate for good news. Unfortunately there isn't much apart from some good kids and I do think Bolts is on the right track.
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