Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread

[harrisendblue]

Well we have had some more wins than you have mentioned Pass. The board undertook a successful redevelopment of PP, we gained an inaugural AFLW side, PP is being positioned to become the home of AFLW in Vic and finally our membership / ratings increases whilst we are in the worst playing form of our history.

Dont worry my eyes are wide open but blaming the board when the side is not winning is way to easy.

So you don't believe that other clubs wernt cheating the salary cap? Sounds like you've got your eyes closed old son.

 

[RudyBlue]

Thoughts on Judd and Jenkins?

 

[passmark]

Thoughts on Judd and Jenkins?

Good appointments on the face of it.

How much they can raise the professionalism of the administration remains to be seen.

 

[passmark]

Well we have had some more wins than you have mentioned Pass. The board undertook a successful redevelopment of PP, we gained an inaugural AFLW side, PP is being positioned to become the home of AFLW in Vic and finally our membership / ratings increases whilst we are in the worst playing form of our history.

Dont worry my eyes are wide open but blaming the board when the side is not winning is way to easy.

So you don't believe that other clubs wernt cheating the salary cap? Sounds like you've got your eyes closed old son.

AFLW team that we worked so hard for we turned into a shambles in less than 18 months. A new record in incompetence. Poor recruiting, worse coaching and pretty much gave up our advantage over other teams.

It's a classic example of non-elite admin. It's either poor decisions and actions entirely or it's good work being undone by poor follow up. One step forward one step back.



Footy dept in disarray. The vets Gawn.
How's the medical dept?

I've no doubt other teams were cheating, but how many? By how much? Apart from the Bombers who else got sanctioned? Not only were we stupid for doing it we weren't even clever enough not to get caught.

 

[PrinceCharles]

WHERE DID IT ALL GO WRONG?

2008 draft period
Pick 6: Yarran. Risky pick. Safer pick the kid who kicked 10 in a TAC Cup grand final Sidebottom
Pick 40: Robinson. Slider due to above the shoulder issues. Said issues saw him traded.
Pick 65: Rhys O'Keefe. Another slider, anyone know why that happened or why he never developed?
Pick 85: Caleb Tiller. Took a punt very late.

Traded out picks 24 & 56 for Robbie Warnock. In that range (within 10 picks) the following players were picked; Jack Redden, Dan Hannerbery, Liam Shiels, Dayne Beams all pick 24. Nothing of note around 56.
Could/should have taken: Hannerbery/Beams & Sidebottom
We ended up with: Warnock & Yarran

2009 draft period
Pick 12: Kane Lucas. Many had him anywhere within the 5-15 range. Accumulator with a touch of class/confidence was what was said about him going into the draft. Why did we not develop him? We apparently were very keen on Talia but couldn't let Lucas slide further but as you'll see below we could have had both!
Brock McLean: traded pick 11 for him. Instead of getting Lucas AND Talia we got 2 midfielders and paid crazy overs for McLean.
Pick 43: Marcus Davies. We seemed over keen on him most had him in the 45-60 range. Just didn't have any tricks but should have been a role player. Again we didn't develop him
Pick 59: Rohan Kerr. Nobody expected him to be drafted.
Could/should have taken: Talia, Lucas, Stratton/Roberton, Davies
We ended up with: McLean, Lucas, Davies, Kerr

2010 draft period
Andrew Collins: Straight swap for Grigg. Crazy we couldn't get a pick (51 or 63) included (assuming the trade had to be done)
Pick 18: Matt Watson. Seriously. All write ups were concerned with his lack of pace and it eventually showed every time he pulled on the jumper. Was considered around the 20-30 range. All of the following were rated higher who went after him; Isaac Smith, Lycett, Jack Darling (discipline issues) & Luke Parker
Pick 34: Pat McCarthy. This is the great unknown. Why did this pick go so badly? He was touted for our first pick and an u18 AA. Was conisdered to be a very good KPD in the 15-25 range.
Pick 42: Luke Mitchell. Rated in the 25-50 range so seems like a fair enough pick. Didn't develop at all (common theme).
Pick 67: McInnes. Late pick wasn't really a slider. Just didn't develop enough to be a role player. ACL early on wouldn't have helped but others have recovered from this
Pick 70: Duigan. Probably our 2nd best pick over the 3 years!
Could/should have taken: Parker/Lycett/Darling/Smith, McCarthy, Tom McDonald & Andrew Collins, Luke Mitchell, McInnes & Duigan
We ended up with: Watson, McCarthy, Collins, Luke Mitchell, McInnes & Duigan

I guess its easy in hindsight but we made consistently 3 massive mistakes.

Traded poorly: getting in Warnock when we had a lot of rucks! This cost us a good chance at taking a very good player with a pick in the 20s like Beams or Hannerbery. A first round pick for McLean which cost us Daniel Talia or Aaron Black.

Drafted poorly (went risky too often): Yarran & Mitch Robinson back to back picks. Crazy really. Both had huge risks attached. So too did Menzel a few years later. Look what happened all 3 blew up in our face. Should have been 1 risky pick there.
Another horrible pick was Matt Watson at pick 18 & Davies at pick 43. Watson wasn't rated that high by many & Davies would have likely been there at our next pick and if he wasn't he wasn't ever going to be more than a role player anyway. Those two decisions cost us a Lycett/Parker & Stratton/Roberton.

Didn't develop highly rated kids: Kane Lucas, Rhys O'Keefe Pat McCarthy & Luke Mitchell weren't what I'd consider "bad" picks and were all considered to go around or before the picks we used. They were all very highly rated walking into the club but for whatever reason failed to live up to expectations.

Someone makes this same post every second week, let's focus on the future.

 

[jd2010]

Someone makes this same post every second week, let's focus on the future.

It's easier to see why we are in this mess than how we can ever get out of it I suppose.

 

[Arr0w]

Surprised we haven't brought up the 1915 draft and player development, by the way how many coaches did we sack between then and 1938?

 

[Chism]

PP Pick was more interesting on Talking Footy and the AFL cannot appoint one off their own bat cause we have not officially asked for one regardless how bad we have been.

That boat has sailed now.

 

[passmark]

Someone makes this same post every second week, let's focus on the future.

True.

Looking to the future we have some very real challenges as a club.

Appointment of new head of footy
Potentially an overhaul of the footy dept.
Improve our medical/rehab performance
Repair the damage to the AFLW team.
Address the glaring imbalances the list.
Potentially an overhaul of the coaching panel .

Now, I'm not suggesting this is a crisis but anyone sitting back thinking that everything will be fine might need to pay close attention to our off field performance. Right now it's far more important than our onfield.

 

[PP34]

PP Pick was more interesting on Talking Footy and the AFL cannot appoint one off their own bat cause we have not officially asked for one regardless how bad we have been.

That boat has sailed now.

Fantastic work from the club there...

 

[Jeffy38!]

Yeah, that's Carlton pride for ya

 

[Chism]

Fantastic work from the club there...

Interesting for sure.

In other words if a club does not officially apply for a PP you have zero chance of getting one awarded.

AFL only considers applications apparently within a certain time frame and does not award them off their own bat.

 

[King Cripps]

Surprised we haven't brought up the 1915 draft and player development, by the way how many coaches did we sack between then and 1938?

Five as I recall

 

[Styxx]

Hey, we screwed ourselves again! At least we are consistent.

 

[passmark]

With having such an inexperienced CEO, That football GM football role is going to be a MASSIVE appointment . Probably more important than the CEO and possibly more important than the senior coach.

Has to go to real heavyweight. We simply can't go into 2019 with
An inexperienced head coach, CEO and GM of Football. If the board go for another inexperienced person to take on GM of football that would tell you all you need to know about the the likelihood of success in the near future.

 

[agro]

Yeah.

**** the members. Get the important people in.

This ******* club.

I have to apologise, this is a regular scheduled information night of coterie groups tonight.

Unfortunately it was intimated to me by a person attending that it was an extraordinarily scheduled information night.

Sorry people.

 

[Arr0w]

With having such an inexperienced CEO, That football GM football role is going to be a MASSIVE appointment . Probably more important than the CEO and possibly more important than the senior coach.

Has to go to real heavyweight. We simply can't go into 2019 with
An inexperienced head coach, CEO and GM of Football. If the board go for another inexperienced person to take on GM of football that would tell you all you need to know about the the likelihood of success in the near future.

What candidates would you suggest we should be looking at?

 

[passmark]

What candidates would you suggest we should be looking at?

No chance we'd get Balme I suppose?

 

[RudyBlue]

No chance we'd get Balme I suppose?

Geoff Walsh?

 

[agro]

He is not a List Manager. Spare yourself the frustration.

I’ve always thought that Wayne Carey should get himself a bigger set of brains.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Bring back Wes Lofts..

 

[Beast__Mode]

Interesting for sure.

In other words if a club does not officially apply for a PP you have zero chance of getting one awarded.

AFL only considers applications apparently within a certain time frame and does not award them off their own bat.

There seem to be two schools of thought on that (whether an application is required).

All things being equal if there are two possibilities and the combined brain power on Talking Footy is leaning one way, the other option is a safe bet of being correct.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Yep,

Lets recruit an injury prone small forward who lacks defensive pressure. That will fix things
Alex ******* Fasolo....
Averaging 12.6 games per year and is yet to kick 30 goals in a season.......
Seriously, you cant write this stuff.......Oh, wait, some moron just has.

We can put our own bullets in the chamber thanks Micheal.

Michael Gleeson is a Collingwood supporter....enough said

 

[Jeffy38!]

I’ve always thought that Wayne Carey should get himself a bigger set of brains.

I remember walking past him at a Superbowl event and thinking I should say hi. Then I remembered he's a complete tool and didn't.

 

[Arr0w]

No chance we'd get Balme I suppose?

Given how vocal you are regarding the board and back of house appointments, who are some of the candidates you would hope we could engage