Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread

[BlueView]

There's a feeling I get deep in my gut that Clarkson will be coaching the Blues next year, as much as I despise the filthy little sniper.

Dawks are at the crossroads at the moment, and it almost feels that his time there is done, and it'll be handed to someone fresh to take over the reigns into their next phase. Mitchell being the obvious appointment.

It's just a feeling I have that our Board will thank Bolts for nurturing the young group, Clarkson will take over the reigns to escalate them upwards. Our Board has already recruited one of the top list managers in Agresta...similar with Lloyd as the Head of Football, and Jack Russell as the leading Director of High Performance in the AFL. Clarkson would just be the next piece in the puzzle.

So your telling me a leopard doesn’t change its spots?

FWIW it wouldn’t surprise me either.

 

[Colonel_Klink]

There's a feeling I get deep in my gut that Clarkson will be coaching the Blues next year, as much as I despise the filthy little sniper.

Dawks are at the crossroads at the moment, and it almost feels that his time there is done, and it'll be handed to someone fresh to take over the reigns into their next phase. Mitchell being the obvious appointment.

It's just a feeling I have that our Board will thank Bolts for nurturing the young group, Clarkson will take over the reigns to escalate them upwards. Our Board has already recruited one of the top list managers in Agresta...similar with Lloyd as the Head of Football, and Jack Russell as the leading Director of High Performance in the AFL. Clarkson would just be the next piece in the puzzle.

If Carlton removed Bolts as senior coach and replaced him with Clarkson, I wouldn't be against it just because Eddie suggested it. One must be pragmatic, he is a 4x Premiership coach.

 

[Sydney Blue]

Newsflash team at the bottom of the ladder has bottom of the ladder stats.

Young players being asked to do too much are struggling to perform.

Edit - Re Marchie -How many preseason/reserves games did he play before being brought back from injury?

Maybe with CC we should wait till he plays 2 bad games in row before sinking the boots in.

Absolutely Agree.

Most of the article could be summarised "A team consisting mostly of 19 to 22 year old players doesn't have individual or team statistics anywhere near as good as the rest of the competition".

Whether Bolton is good enough will be clear enough to those around him, and shouldn't be based on media hysteria nor Win-Loss ratios during an unprecedented rebuild. Whether specific players are good enough will be clear enough to the club's coaching and list management teams, over the next 12,24,36,48 months.

Now here's a real SCOOP for the media.... Any decent analysis of Carlton's predicament has the root cause as Carlton's atrocious drafting up until 2015. i.e. the drafts that provide the bulk of best 22 players across all the other clubs. And if you looked at the statistics for many of those best 22 players of other clubs, many didn't have flattering statistics in their first 20-40 games, and many weren't regular players until the age of 22, because age and experience matters.

To Blues supporters....please.. Back the players. Back the club. Don't buy into the negativity, and let our players and club fulfill their undoubted potential.

Because without some patience and commitment from our club and our supporters, all this young talent eventually will seek opportunity elsewhere, and long-suffering Blues supporters will endure another 5 or 10 years sacking those at the club that the media buffoons points the bone at.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Just about. The Casboult kick inboard was enough to leave the seat and head for the exit. I know (hope) that half isn't really what we are about so there was no point sticking around to get sucked into the doldrums like most the 42k were yesterday

While the rest of us 42,000 loyal supporters stayed to support our players to the bitter end.
Maybe your just better off just subscribing to Foxtel.

 

[CFC18]

Whilst i know we are young and light on with experience, the coach and match committee need to take a bit of responsibility for the side that they send out when things don't work out.

We could have played Setterfield or Kennedy ahead of Stocker and the team would have been more experienced and competitive for it, the same goes picking one of those two for LOB.

In addition to Kennedy and Setterfield we also had Garlett and Lang who are 23, Fasolo who is 26, play this weekend.

Rather than send out such a young team and fall back on that as an excuse, how about playing some of our older players in the seniors when they're needed.

If these guys aren't good enough to play seniors over kids who aren't physically ready, or when our team is lacking mature players due to injury, what are they doing on our list.

 

[thylacine60]

you seem to think you can adjust the list weekly to suit your needs - once it is set, that's it - sorry we can't de-list and bring in players any old time to suit your idea of team balance but it just doesn't work that way........we're stuck with the group we have

 

[CFC18]

While the rest of us 42,000 loyal supporters stayed to support our players to the bitter end.
Maybe your just better off just subscribing to Foxtel.

Nothing wrong with sticking it out to the end, we've all sat through plenty of shockers, but neither is there shame in getting up and leaving, or switching off the tv early - life is short to sit through every garbage performance your sports team dishes up.

 

[jd2010]

While the rest of us 42,000 loyal supporters stayed to support our players to the bitter end.
Maybe your just better off just subscribing to Foxtel.

Did you enjoy yourself?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Not sure much will happen in the next 4 weeks given we play the Pies, Giants, Saints and Bombers. Then iirc, it's Freo away, Demons then Dogs.

The heat will most likely be on the club end of season if we have a similar W-L ratio as last year.

With a relatively tough couple months ahead, they have their work cut out to win a couple of those games.

 

[Arr0w]

Interesting how posters twist some of Judd's comments to suit their agendas, then claim it justifies so called mail/rumours

I suggest they rewatch the footage

 

[GT619]

Not sure much will happen in the next 4 weeks given we play the Pies, Giants, Saints and Bombers. Then iirc, it's Freo away, Demons then Dogs.

The heat will most likely be on the club end of season if we have a similar W-L ratio as last year.

With a relatively tough couple months ahead, they have their work cut out to win a couple of those games.

I just want us to compete and have effort that’s all we ask for

 

[jd2010]

I just want us to compete and have effort that’s all we ask for

Not sure a competitive 2-20 or 3-19 is enough for bolts to keep his job

 

[Arr0w]

I think they were very fair Alphonse. Particularly agreed with Judd's comment; that Bolton's reference to growth was inappropriate yesterday; and that current focus is on ensuring that culture of acceptance of losses due to growth is not promoted.

Judd never made a comment "that Bolton's reference to growth was inappropriate" nor did Bolton reference growth, he was asked the question regarding growth during his post match interview and he said, there had been growth, but this was not the time to go into it

 

[Monkey King]

Matthew Lloyd is probably trying to help his brother out. It looks as though Lloyd has got Bartel's backing not to bash us in the media. It's clear Barrett wants to sink the boots into Carlton but he's getting absolutely no support from his co-hosts.

Barrett’s not too bright. When Lloyd says “what if they win 5”, Barrett replies, “you’re changing the situation from what we’re looking at”. Dude, there’s no round 22 situation you’re looking at. It’s totally imaginary. What hubris to act as though your imaginary outcome is more valid than the next guy’s.

 

[GT619]

Not sure a competitive 2-20 or 3-19 is enough for bolts to keep his job

Yeah I know

 

[Bordertoon]

Judd never made a comment "that Bolton's reference to growth was inappropriate" nor did Bolton reference growth, he was asked the question regarding growth during his post match interview and he said, there had been growth, but this was not the time to go into it

Mostly agree Arr0w. As I saw and heard it on FC, like you I didn’t think that Judd was being critical of Bolts in the slightest; in fact, it was clear to me that he was backing the judgment shown by Bolts in refusing to elaborate on growth in the wake of such a poor performance and result.

Where I differ slightly is that iirc Bolts did reference or introduce the theme of growth in the presser, but only in the context of not wanting the North game to be confused with our whole season to date. Once the journo then tried to seize on that reference to make growth an important theme in the presser, Bolts shut that down immediately, which imo was 100% the right call.

 

[GoBlues!]

I was at the game yesterday and focused on LOB a bit. Was constantly available in a pocket or the far wing for a transition with heaps of space and consistently ignored. Players like Marchbank would hold the ball for 30 seconds and bomb long. Hard to have an impact as an outside winger when you’re playing your role and not being utilised.

Yeah I noticed the same. Some players are quick thinkers, can assess the situation and choose a good option. Marchbank looked a bit unsure and indecisive, holding ball and looking around.

 

[cfc4life]

Just quickly, don't have a go at supporters for leaving the game early. If the team won't put in an effort, why should someone not being paid to be there stick around? More to life than footy.

 

[Arr0w]

Mostly agree Arr0w. As I saw and heard it on FC, like you I didn’t think that Judd was being critical of Bolts in the slightest; in fact, it was clear to me that he was backing the judgment shown by Bolts in refusing to elaborate on growth in the wake of such a poor performance and result.

Where I differ slightly is that iirc Bolts did reference or introduce the theme of growth in the presser, but only in the context of not wanting the North game to be confused with our whole season to date. Once the journo then tried to seize on that reference to make growth an important theme in the presser, Bolts shut that down immmediately, which imo was 100% the right call.

It wasn't growth that he elude too

He was asked about win/loss, and stated, "don't blur one game with what a season is, because there are lots of signs of progress this year"

I thought it was an appropriate response

 

[Bordertoon]

It wasn't growth that he elude too

He was asked about win/loss, and stated, "don't blur one game with what a season is, because there are lots of signs of progress this year"

I thought it was an appropriate response

Just re-watched the Bolts’s post-game presser, and it turns out I didn’t recall correctly, and you’re spot on Arr0w.

Seems that my attempt to provide clarity has only muddied the waters, unfortunately. Is there a clanger stat for BF?

 

[cfc4life]

No you highlighted that you don't want to waste your money and leave at half time

What a stupid comment

Just in case you think this is solely directed at you

IMHO, ANY supporter that leaves early, because of a pending loss, is a pathetic fair weather supporter

If I'm paying a membership it's not wasting money, it's sacrificing my mental wellbeing while the team that I love and support puts in a terrible effort.

 

[Arr0w]

If I'm paying a membership it's not wasting money, it's sacrificing my mental wellbeing while the team that I love and support puts in a terrible effort.

And that's a fair and reasonable statement, as I am sure many are frustrated

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

Some people are so emotionally invested they stay to the end.

Some people are so emotionally invested they leave early.

So be it.

Doesn't make one over the other better in the big game of life.

Everyone has an bumholio, some just trumpet to a different tune.

 

[Bluey24]

There's a feeling I get deep in my gut that Clarkson will be coaching the Blues next year, as much as I despise the filthy little sniper.

Dawks are at the crossroads at the moment, and it almost feels that his time there is done, and it'll be handed to someone fresh to take over the reigns into their next phase. Mitchell being the obvious appointment.

It's just a feeling I have that our Board will thank Bolts for nurturing the young group, Clarkson will take over the reigns to escalate them upwards. Our Board has already recruited one of the top list managers in Agresta...similar with Lloyd as the Head of Football, and Jack Russell as the leading Director of High Performance in the AFL. Clarkson would just be the next piece in the puzzle.

Edit: I have no doubt that we are already feeling him out, and have even less doubt he would be considering it

A small part of me wonders if this was part of the Club's plan all along: bring in a nurturing coach (Bolts, Brendan McCartney) for the first 3-5 years of the rebuild, then find a more experienced tactician to climb up the ladder

I doubt it, but brutal if any truth to it

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Some people are so emotionally invested they stay to the end.

Some people are so emotionally invested they leave early.

So be it.

Doesn't make one over the other better in the big game of life.

Everyone has an bumholio, some just trumpet to a different tune.

As an example, unless I am at the game, I'm so emotionally invested, that I cannot physically listen to or watch a match on TV.

I have to tune out and I check the scores about once a quarter. It's a sickness.


Part of the reason is of course is that as soon as I tune in to a game the opposition kick a goal !!! Same in Test cricket - as soon as I tune in the Aussies lose a wicket.