Roast The Chronicles of Alan Richardson

[Mat Mann]

Hi guys,


This has been fascinating reading. I come from another club which hasn't had these problems for a dozen or so years, but things were dire for us once. I've been watching your games fairly closely this year because I invested heavily on your players in SuperCoach.

Haven't been impressed with your game plan with the personel you have. IMO the pressure game relies too much on skills that you don't uniformly have. And the finishing skills in your forward line! As a game goes on player energy declines leading to turnovers, and missed shots at goal are bad for morale. You are often plus 20 or so in forward entries for little reward on the scoreboard, so by some metrics the game plan is a success, but overall it rarely is. (Bit like our losing GF in 12 where we won most KPI's but not the total points scored one.)

Some of it personnel and some of it is coaching. Many of your key possession getters have poor or indifferent disposal by foot. Steven, Ross, Geary. I guess no one intends to be a poor kick, so it comes down to drafting, which is a long term process, and, as you guys know, you can just be unlucky.

The coaching can be general game plan, Plan B where Plan A is failing and coaching for specific circumstances, say last few minutes. In one recent post match commentary Richo seemed to blame the playing group for a drop of in efficiency. Perhaps that is because the players are tired, because the game plan requires too much energy. Maybe at certain times the team should play tempo footy to enable everyone to get a breather. Apart from Carlisle forward the coaches do not seem to be able to wrest momentum back when the other team has it.(just my impression) Maybe you don't have the players yet, maybe some are played in the wrong position, maybe the plan needs to be tweaked so that the players can execute it successfully? Remember every other team is trying to improve so success is never guranteed.

I must admit that at the end of 2016 I was in the "Sack Dimma" camp. Richmond held their review where everyone except Hardwicke was expendable. I thought that the hierarchy was so invested in their coach that they would collectively have to fall on their swords if a review recommended his sacking. Perhaps there is some of that in play here. Must admit I got the Dimma one wrong!

I hope that your new administration can get things right. Perhaps a campaign to make a sizeable reduction in debt to rejuvenate enthusiasm. If your incoming president, or some other individual, could make a sizeable contribution, say 1 million, to kick off things it would show confidence in the club and generate some excitement. Would that work?

I think that your club should try to recruit elite ball users in your marquee players. Say a Lloyd rather than a Hanners. Too hard to markedly improve basic skills otherwise every team would have elite ball users.

I know that you were disappointed to lose to the Hawks but it enabled you to get pick 3 rather than 4. Personally I thought that Clarko should have come down and coached from the bench in the last quarter, and probably Richo too. It was a cold night though.

Good luck with your new coaches as long as they don't include Mitchell!

PS: I had a shocker of a year in SC. Who'd have thunk it. JB, Sav, Acres.

you answered your own question "Some of it personnel and some of it is coaching."

the game plan i think is universally found wanting, but then it's truly hard to judge a game plan when basic skills are atrocious.
Senior coach has to take blame for the lack of evolution we've seen, the overall structure and ball movement.
for renowned Development coach we have seen negligible player development.
The recruiters have been safe and good bloke policy, we seem to have a policy of picking b grade talent as well.

 

[stavro#4]

Happy to be called a liar and a nobody - but he’s not a fan. He, as part of his pitch was to review Richo with an alternative structure.

A review is different to him being sacked as per what you implied. Which is my point. Bassat is a fan of Richo. Richo under a different structure is effectively what your getting with Lade and Ratten

 

[Mikka84]

A review is different to him being sacked as per what you implied. Which is my point. Bassat is a fan of Richo. Richo under a different structure is effectively what your getting with Lade and Ratten

Bassett was a fan of Richo. He’s based his early election on a current review of senior coaching. This is management, not player based. It’s a way to climb he ladder as he has and he’s going to stand by what he’s said. I can’t definitively say he’s sacked, what I can say is, his position is under more review and pressure than it has ever been before.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

If this is true there is no way he can survive a review!!!

Apparently he's told Bassett that he once had a review back in the early 80s, when he was working as a trolley boy at Coles New World in Burwood, and that he refuses to take part in another one

 

[VDS66]

Apparently he's told Bassett that he once had a review back in the early 80s, when he was working as a trolley boy at Coles New World in Burwood, and that he refuses to take part in another one

That's a really stupid comment even by your standards.

Everyone knows it was Doncaster...

 

[Greg1853]

Hi guys,

This has been fascinating reading. I come from another club which hasn't had these problems for a dozen or so years, but things were dire for us once. I've been watching your games fairly closely this year because I invested heavily on your players in SuperCoach.

Haven't been impressed with your game plan with the personel you have. IMO the pressure game relies too much on skills that you don't uniformly have. And the finishing skills in your forward line! As a game goes on player energy declines leading to turnovers, and missed shots at goal are bad for morale. You are often plus 20 or so in forward entries for little reward on the scoreboard, so by some metrics the game plan is a success, but overall it rarely is. (Bit like our losing GF in 12 where we won most KPI's but not the total points scored one.)

Some of it personnel and some of it is coaching. Many of your key possession getters have poor or indifferent disposal by foot. Steven, Ross, Geary. I guess no one intends to be a poor kick, so it comes down to drafting, which is a long term process, and, as you guys know, you can just be unlucky.

The coaching can be general game plan, Plan B where Plan A is failing and coaching for specific circumstances, say last few minutes. In one recent post match commentary Richo seemed to blame the playing group for a drop of in efficiency. Perhaps that is because the players are tired, because the game plan requires too much energy. Maybe at certain times the team should play tempo footy to enable everyone to get a breather. Apart from Carlisle forward the coaches do not seem to be able to wrest momentum back when the other team has it.(just my impression) Maybe you don't have the players yet, maybe some are played in the wrong position, maybe the plan needs to be tweaked so that the players can execute it successfully? Remember every other team is trying to improve so success is never guranteed.

I must admit that at the end of 2016 I was in the "Sack Dimma" camp. Richmond held their review where everyone except Hardwicke was expendable. I thought that the hierarchy was so invested in their coach that they would collectively have to fall on their swords if a review recommended his sacking. Perhaps there is some of that in play here. Must admit I got the Dimma one wrong!

I hope that your new administration can get things right. Perhaps a campaign to make a sizeable reduction in debt to rejuvenate enthusiasm. If your incoming president, or some other individual, could make a sizeable contribution, say 1 million, to kick off things it would show confidence in the club and generate some excitement. Would that work?

I think that your club should try to recruit elite ball users in your marquee players. Say a Lloyd rather than a Hanners. Too hard to markedly improve basic skills otherwise every team would have elite ball users.

I know that you were disappointed to lose to the Hawks but it enabled you to get pick 3 rather than 4. Personally I thought that Clarko should have come down and coached from the bench in the last quarter, and probably Richo too. It was a cold night though.

Good luck with your new coaches as long as they don't include Mitchell!

PS: I had a shocker of a year in SC. Who'd have thunk it. JB, Sav, Acres.

Good post Hawkboy. You might call the situation fascinating. I can think of another F word for it. At least it feels like we are seeing some September action, just not on the field

 

[PoppedCorn]

An open question to the board. Lade gets the arse from Richmond because he is rubbish and they win the GF. Goes to PA and they have a rubbish year. He then comes to us. Kingsley is part of the player destruction at St Kilda. Richmond then hire Kingsley.

So, is Richmond mad for taking on Kingsley and flicking Lade? Or was Kingsley sick of Richo’s crap and Richmond pounced?

Is Kingsley any good? Was he one of the line coaches who argued with Richo all the time?

Who hires the coaches?

Serious questions folks that I am hoping you can answer.


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Im sure i read the other day on here that someone said Roo really rated him

 

[Impatient Saint]

Our new President has now endorsed Cho - we are all doomed ! He was our last ray of hope of extricating Cho from the club but even he has failed.

 

[BigMonty]

Hi guys,

This has been fascinating reading. I come from another club which hasn't had these problems for a dozen or so years, but things were dire for us once. I've been watching your games fairly closely this year because I invested heavily on your players in SuperCoach.

Haven't been impressed with your game plan with the personel you have. IMO the pressure game relies too much on skills that you don't uniformly have. And the finishing skills in your forward line! As a game goes on player energy declines leading to turnovers, and missed shots at goal are bad for morale. You are often plus 20 or so in forward entries for little reward on the scoreboard, so by some metrics the game plan is a success, but overall it rarely is. (Bit like our losing GF in 12 where we won most KPI's but not the total points scored one.)

Some of it personnel and some of it is coaching. Many of your key possession getters have poor or indifferent disposal by foot. Steven, Ross, Geary. I guess no one intends to be a poor kick, so it comes down to drafting, which is a long term process, and, as you guys know, you can just be unlucky.

The coaching can be general game plan, Plan B where Plan A is failing and coaching for specific circumstances, say last few minutes. In one recent post match commentary Richo seemed to blame the playing group for a drop of in efficiency. Perhaps that is because the players are tired, because the game plan requires too much energy. Maybe at certain times the team should play tempo footy to enable everyone to get a breather. Apart from Carlisle forward the coaches do not seem to be able to wrest momentum back when the other team has it.(just my impression) Maybe you don't have the players yet, maybe some are played in the wrong position, maybe the plan needs to be tweaked so that the players can execute it successfully? Remember every other team is trying to improve so success is never guranteed.

I must admit that at the end of 2016 I was in the "Sack Dimma" camp. Richmond held their review where everyone except Hardwicke was expendable. I thought that the hierarchy was so invested in their coach that they would collectively have to fall on their swords if a review recommended his sacking. Perhaps there is some of that in play here. Must admit I got the Dimma one wrong!

I hope that your new administration can get things right. Perhaps a campaign to make a sizeable reduction in debt to rejuvenate enthusiasm. If your incoming president, or some other individual, could make a sizeable contribution, say 1 million, to kick off things it would show confidence in the club and generate some excitement. Would that work?

I think that your club should try to recruit elite ball users in your marquee players. Say a Lloyd rather than a Hanners. Too hard to markedly improve basic skills otherwise every team would have elite ball users.

I know that you were disappointed to lose to the Hawks but it enabled you to get pick 3 rather than 4. Personally I thought that Clarko should have come down and coached from the bench in the last quarter, and probably Richo too. It was a cold night though.

Good luck with your new coaches as long as they don't include Mitchell!

PS: I had a shocker of a year in SC. Who'd have thunk it. JB, Sav, Acres.

Great post from an independent view point. Question with Dimma and also Clarko would either club held them if they had a 30 percent win record.

Doubtful they would of stuck fat actually they would have said GTFOH. Hawthorn motto we are a business and our business is winning premierships.

We as a club need an exorcism.

Summers will go and if I was the new broom I would be saying answer me and the supporters that I represent.
Why when we have gone backwards after thinking we are contenders that when doing a review why do we not review the whole system.

Please explain....

Who put together the terms of reference by which the review was done and your justifications for doing so. Better have good reasons otherwise it is a covering arse exercise and that we as a club will not tolerate.

If it is Finnis then goodbye and no payout...have an issue with that see you in court sunshine.

Be more transparent to supporter base win back their hearts and minds become more accessible to the media as you are in effect the stakeholders voice.

Interview for CEO role and if is SL then so be it otherwise best available.

It starts at the top with a no nonsense approach it will permiate through the club damn quickly right through to the playing group.

Get an independent group to review Richo and make recommendations. Make it public and if Richo goes go through Ross Lyon recruitment process.

Time to get it right.
New coach
New Prez
New CEO

New club better results







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[Hawkboy62]

Is Richo’s coaching likely to get worse( if that’s possible) or improve, with Ratten breathing down his neck? I can’t quite figure out Rat’s appointment if it happens.

If Richo is still there I imagine there will be tension. If Richo's coaching gets worse then surely he will be replaced so problem solved.

It was a no brainer to go early on Ratten. Otherwise he would be snapped up by other clubs. There has been a lot of movement in the assistant coaches through the league so it is prudent to go after the best early.

Surely the club knew that Kingsley was going, even though he wasn't announced in the non renewals. If not it's a bit of a dog act.
Still 2 more assistants to be replaced, 3 if Richo is gone. Mark Neeld anyone? (Ducks for cover)

At least you have your goal kicking coach still signed up for 2 more. Strange decision!

 

[Persevering Saint]

Sounds like we’ve already got him....just needs to be Rattefied (sic)

As long as we don't do things by Harves...

 

[lewdogs]

I know a lot of people are disappointed now that it looks like Richo won't be sacked, but let's just cool our jets. This is the most number of changes I can remember happening in the coaching department in a decade. They want to see how Richo goes with a better team around him and you can completely understand it.

Chucking a tantrum just because Richo isn't getting sacked gets us nowhere. The club are making big changes; if Richo has another similar season then he'll be gone.

I just can't really buy that we as supporters know everything. People say "Richo is clearly not up to it" but Tigers fans and Pies fans were saying the EXACT SAME THING not long ago. It's the same as some fans saying we shouldn't get Hannebery as he's cooked but should be keeping Freeman. I mean where is the logic in that?! And besides, how do we even really know about Hannebery's body. The fact is we don't know. The people at the club know more than us.

This Bassat bloke comes from a history of success and clearly loves the club. He isn't going to deliberately keep Richo on because he has a soft spot for him. He is keeping him on (if he does) to try and get success for this club.

It's very easy to see everything in a negative light but the hysteria is over the top. People saying they won't sign up now that we've had a bad season... honestly to those supporters I say bugger off and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Life wasn't meant to be easy and certainly being a St Kilda fan has NEVER been easy. The same goes for any players that want to throw out their toys and go join Hawthorn. There's a reason the club would want Roo back through the door. Did he piss off to Collingwood when the going got tough?

The club is making big changes. We had a bad year and didn't meet expectations. We want to go back up the ladder and Richo and Bassat have said as much.

Call me crazy but I'm actually excited for next year and to see how we change things up. And I hope in 12 months time we're applauding Richo for improving as a coach, because that's what good coaches and leaders do. They learn.

 

[PoppedCorn]

The logic is we have seen what hanna can do and the blokes cooked...plus where theres smoke theres fire snd people in the know have heard all the stories

Compare to a bloke who is 22 that we have spent countless hrs and coin on and prob could of got a rookie spot on min wage snd gets told u either hit top speed or its over
The bloke hasnt even been fully fit for a year ffs.

Chalk and cheese

 

[ESDR]

A review is different to him being sacked as per what you implied. Which is my point. Bassat is a fan of Richo. Richo under a different structure is effectively what your getting with Lade and Ratten

Bassat is not a fan of Richo. Period.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Good post Hawkboy. You might call the situation fascinating. I can think of another F word for it. At least it feels like we are seeing some September action, just not on the field

****en hell, even Hawks supporters are better coaches than Cho Cho!

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Bassat is not a fan of Richo. Period.

ITK????

 

[kernelT]

Is richo still the coach?

 

[lewdogs]

The logic is we have seen what hanna can do and the blokes cooked...plus where theres smoke theres fire snd people in the know have heard all the stories

Compare to a bloke who is 22 that we have spent countless hrs and coin on and prob could of got a rookie spot on min wage snd gets told u either hit top speed or its over
The bloke hasnt even been fully fit for a year ffs.

Chalk and cheese

Why would the club sign someone that is cooked?

You're right, they are chalk and cheese. One is a 3-time All Australian, the other has played two games of AFL football.

We are trying to improve. Seems obvious which player will improve us as a side.

 

[VDS66]

The logic is we have seen what hanna can do and the blokes cooked...plus where theres smoke theres fire snd people in the know have heard all the stories

Compare to a bloke who is 22 that we have spent countless hrs and coin on and prob could of got a rookie spot on min wage snd gets told u either hit top speed or its over
The bloke hasnt even been fully fit for a year ffs.

Chalk and cheese

Logic is that the 22year old has lost his pace and kicking penetration.

 

[Murraj1966]

At least if we play next year and Richo can't cut it with a new team he's cooked

 

[Diehard Saint]

Bassat is not a fan of Richo. Period.

Well, that's a definitive statement.
Very interested to hear how you know that?

 

[StCicatriz]

I know a lot of people are disappointed now that it looks like Richo won't be sacked, but let's just cool our jets. This is the most number of changes I can remember happening in the coaching department in a decade. They want to see how Richo goes with a better team around him and you can completely understand it.

Chucking a tantrum just because Richo isn't getting sacked gets us nowhere. The club are making big changes; if Richo has another similar season then he'll be gone.

I just can't really buy that we as supporters know everything. People say "Richo is clearly not up to it" but Tigers fans and Pies fans were saying the EXACT SAME THING not long ago. It's the same as some fans saying we shouldn't get Hannebery as he's cooked but should be keeping Freeman. I mean where is the logic in that?! And besides, how do we even really know about Hannebery's body. The fact is we don't know. The people at the club know more than us.

This Bassat bloke comes from a history of success and clearly loves the club. He isn't going to deliberately keep Richo on because he has a soft spot for him. He is keeping him on (if he does) to try and get success for this club.

It's very easy to see everything in a negative light but the hysteria is over the top. People saying they won't sign up now that we've had a bad season... honestly to those supporters I say bugger off and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Life wasn't meant to be easy and certainly being a St Kilda fan has NEVER been easy. The same goes for any players that want to throw out their toys and go join Hawthorn. There's a reason the club would want Roo back through the door. Did he piss off to Collingwood when the going got tough?

The club is making big changes. We had a bad year and didn't meet expectations. We want to go back up the ladder and Richo and Bassat have said as much.

Call me crazy but I'm actually excited for next year and to see how we change things up. And I hope in 12 months time we're applauding Richo for improving as a coach, because that's what good coaches and leaders do. They learn.

not sure riewoldt is the right analogy to use considering he was off to collingwood if we didnt move on the senior coach in watters

so if we apply the same logic, richo should be getting the ass soon, so all the supporters dont cancel their memberships

 

[StCicatriz]

St Kilda insiders say his foot injuries since being drafted at the end of 2014 have significantly hampered his continuity, while a source with close connections at the club said Goddard has been just one of several players to have plateaued due to “sub-par development coaching that is now being rectified”.


LOLZ

 

[PoppedCorn]

Why would the club sign someone that is cooked?

You're right, they are chalk and cheese. One is a 3-time All Australian, the other has played two games of AFL football.

We are trying to improve. Seems obvious which player will improve us as a side.

Lol
Righto

 

[Persevering Saint]

St Kilda insiders say his foot injuries since being drafted at the end of 2014 have significantly hampered his continuity, while a source with close connections at the club said Goddard has been just one of several players to have plateaued due to “sub-par development coaching that is now being rectified”.


LOLZ

So they admit it's not the player himself, but his development... but they sack the player, not the developers.

Oh boy is this club in for a rude awakening.