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Stoked with our recruting this year. Quicky mentioned earlier we tend to identify a need and try and get a few players to fill it. Prior to this draft I would have said small fowards / outside finishers is the area we could use a boost in and we have gotten players who fit the bill. There is a lot of pace and finishing skills with an emphasis on players who are good one on one. Given our spot in the draft pecking order we couldn't have done better. The real bonus is these type of players have the potential to develop into guys who can have an impact pretty early in their career of a HFF.
 
From playing back to back grand finals to getting delisted to make way for Dean Polo, it doesn't get much worse than that.


On Collingwood though, the Stubbs selection is pretty interesting. He has been under Hawthorn's watchful eye for a few years on the scholarship list and yet they've deemed him not worthy to select. Very curious to see how he pans out, be a great one to stuck up the Hawk supporters if he comes good.
 

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Surprised we drafted NO KPP Players:eek:

Mmm...i wouldve thought 1 at least.

I trust Hines judgement however i wouldve liked 1 KPP.

interesting the players weve gone for though. I like the look of Farmer and Ugle, the rest im relatively unsure on/havent seen much of
 
Very pleased with our picks, especially Kurt Ugle and Trent Stubbs.

Just watching the highlights of Ugle, he has a bit of Cyril Rioli about him. Explosive off the mark, bangs it on the boot quickly and amazing ability to change direction. The only question mark would be his disposal but that is the easiest aspect to fix.

:thumbsu: once again Hine & co.
 
From playing back to back grand finals to getting delisted to make way for Dean Polo, it doesn't get much worse than that.


On Collingwood though, the Stubbs selection is pretty interesting. He has been under Hawthorn's watchful eye for a few years on the scholarship list and yet they've deemed him not worthy to select. Very curious to see how he pans out, be a great one to stuck up the Hawk supporters if he comes good.
Polo is a real WTF moment. On Stubbs did Hawthorn deem him not worthy or did he nominate to go into the draft instead? I suspect your right and they overlooked him but I haven't seen anything to confirm that.

My old man is a Hawks fan and seems to think that he was highly rated but struggled with injuries and then had concerns about his development stalling. Seems to be a talanted enough athlete.

Surprised we drafted NO KPP Players:eek:

I am not suprised at all. For reasons as to why we didn't just see Hawthorn with Thorp and Dowler. The fact of the matter is you can only fit so many KPP into a side. Our KPP's are young so long term there isn't really spot in the side. I get that we need insurance for injury but a young guy KPP isn't really ready to fill the void (just look how long it took for our young guys to be ready.) So drafting an 18 y.o KPP just means they are more then likely not going to develop due to lack of oppertunity at senior level or go elsewhere to get more oppertunity (see Anthony), of course if you have an out and out star KPP you can't ignore you find a way to make it work but we weren't in that position so you don't take a KPP for the sake of taking one. We don't need young KPP we need mature agers who are ready to fill in if needed and for that we have Leroy and Taz.
 
I am not suprised at all. For reasons as to why we didn't just see Hawthorn with Thorp and Dowler. The fact of the matter is you can only fit so many KPP into a side. Our KPP's are young so long term there isn't really spot in the side. I get that we need insurance for injury but a young guy KPP isn't really ready to fill the void (just look how long it took for our young guys to be ready.) So drafting an 18 y.o KPP just means they are more then likely not going to develop due to lack of oppertunity at senior level or go elsewhere to get more oppertunity (see Anthony), of course if you have an out and out star KPP you can't ignore you find a way to make it work but we weren't in that position so you don't take a KPP for the sake of taking one. We don't need young KPP we need mature agers who are ready to fill in if needed and for that we have Leroy and Taz.

I completely see what your saying here shawthing, i just cant help but think that someone like Callum Sinclair woulve been great depth to have

Im not unhappy about our drafting at all but looking at the 2's next season, we dont have a young developing forward there for next season like we had last yr with anthony and the yr before with Dawes
 
Polo is a real WTF moment. On Stubbs did Hawthorn deem him not worthy or did he nominate to go into the draft instead? I suspect your right and they overlooked him but I haven't seen anything to confirm that.

My old man is a Hawks fan and seems to think that he was highly rated but struggled with injuries and then had concerns about his development stalling. Seems to be a talanted enough athlete.

Yeah good question, I just assumed they didn't offer him a spot and he moved on to nominating. The little bio on the AFL website implies he was being courted by a few other clubs though, so maybe we just coerced him into the draft... doubtful that he'd just turn his back on Hawthorn after being given the scholarship you'd think.

Interesting little situation, could pay big dividends if he comes good.
 

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Surley, Corrie is a chance to get rookied by the Saints. He would be really stiff if he didnt because he would fit really well with Dawson, Peake, Polo and Gamble. They could be the fab five the Saints rebuild their list around.
 
Yeah good question, I just assumed they didn't offer him a spot and he moved on to nominating. The little bio on the AFL website implies he was being courted by a few other clubs though, so maybe we just coerced him into the draft... doubtful that he'd just turn his back on Hawthorn after being given the scholarship you'd think.

Interesting little situation, could pay big dividends if he comes good.
Yeh in the same bio he mentions he is a Hawthorn fan because they gave him the scholarship, so I'd assume they passed him up. That said he wouldn't be the first to be deemed as stalling in development only to rise when given the chance, especially from NSW. Appears to be a superb athlete so you have to be happy to back our recruiters in.
 
Surley, Corrie is a chance to get rookied by the Saints. He would be really stiff if he didnt because he would fit really well with Dawson, Peake, Polo and Gamble. They could be the fab five the Saints rebuild their list around.


Saints obviously think they best have a real crack while the window is open.

For their sakes, and from their perspectives, gees you'd want to win one this year or next, cos when their window shuts ( if it hasn't already) it's gonna slam shut for years, with recruiting like Polo, Gamble, Peake etc at the expense of the kids.

Their BF board don't seem particularly happy understandably, it's a big risk
 
Saints recruiting is stupid as hell. The nongs obviously don't rate draft picks, then they go and clog up their list with duds like Polo so they have 'mature bodies', ignoring the fact that the problem with their list is a huge lack of SKILLED players. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Anyway, as expected a few left field picks. From reading about them on the AFL site and the phantom drafts board, I think it's a reasonable draft, not great but reasonable. I think if we jag 1 or 2 servicable players from this group to fill the gaps in the coming years we've done pretty well.
 
We've done well to get Fasolo. Very much a Didak/Chappy like player and even models his game on these two. We needed to address our medium sized HFFs and we have done just that adding Farmer too.

The kid that impressed me most is Seedsman. Paper thin but the boy has tricks. Silky by foot and creative with ball use depending on situations and capable overhead for such a skinny lad. Am going to look forward to watching him bulk up and develop.
 
TBH I don't mind Polo that much but Gamble I don't rate at all. St. Kilda's recruiting is still very puzzling over a long period. It's that kind of drafting that sees them miss out on depth players that could really improve their list over recycled duds who are at best are a "use in an emergency" scenario.
 
Saints recruiting is stupid as hell. The nongs obviously don't rate draft picks, then they go and clog up their list with duds like Polo so they have 'mature bodies', ignoring the fact that the problem with their list is a huge lack of SKILLED players. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Anyway, as expected a few left field picks. From reading about them on the AFL site and the phantom drafts board, I think it's a reasonable draft, not great but reasonable. I think if we jag 1 or 2 servicable players from this group to fill the gaps in the coming years we've done pretty well.


On the saints I can see the line of thinking, the fact is whether they find players for the future or not with the picks they used on Polo or Gamble they are going to have a tough rebuild anyway. It's inevitable that after having a list that has played together for so long you are going to have a steep fall when those players fall away. The draft system is designed for exactly that so you have to make the most of it while your list is at this age.

That said I don't understand taking both Gamble and Polo and that's where you have to draw the line it's one thing to take a guy for some depth who maybe a handy role player but to just stock pile mature age players is a useless. To be fair Garidener was a great mature age pick up for them. Lovett was a huge risk but one that if it worked would have been great, it didn't but at the end of the day it would be hard to for see something so drastic happening, if that had paid off who knows how their year would have went, they deffinately would have pushed us more with him in the side. Peake however (considering they'd already picked up Lovett) falls more into the WTH type. It's been hit and miss but I know as a supporter I'd much rather my team be trying to extract a flag rather then stockpile youth with speculative picks that are more then likely projects (as all picks that late in the draft tend to be.)
 

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