the corey vs hale vs porter thread

[mighty mick]

ok carlos i have now seen him play a full game

and yes i was quite pleased with his clean hands and goal kicking ability.

the amount of times corey went for grabs that he should of taken and he coughed them up was quite irritating.

hales ruck work can only improve with more game time and coaching, so my crrent option would be hale up forward and porter in the ruck.

has corey really changed since he left, we need more from him up forward if he is to make any influence on the game.

this is not sarcasm ok.

i told you what i think of hale after seeing him play a full game

hopefully he can keep his place to continue his progress

cheers mighty mick

 

[Darky]

On the surface of it, Corey has taken six or seven marks, so perhaps we might be coming across as a bit harsh... but geez he must have grassed a dozen today... looked reasonable when he rucked briefly, but was terrible up forward.

 

[Moti]

To be blunt, I would drop Petrie before Corey, because Corey has offered more in terms of attacking options. Sure Drew is good defensively, but to be honest, I don't care at the moment, we need scoring targets.

Corey is frustrating and hit and miss, but when we are able to use the ball well (when used by those under 24 ) he is actually quite effective and took some good marks.

Hale is a great player and if only guys like Simmo and Stevo had his awareness and foot skills, our midfield would be unstoppable.

 

[TheGreatCoranzo]

Straight after a loss, Moti starts spamming the boards with drop x, drop y, etc.

No Porter No North. Stats prove it.

 

[mighty mick]

dropping drew petrie what are you smokin moti.

if corey was holding his marks and actually scoring from the ones he takes it might be ok

 

[tashibatts]

Moti- have you checked the goal scorers today?

Petrie kicked 2.. 2 more than Corey..
You do not drop a 21 year old kid who for the last year and a bit has been playing basically as a single tall up forward.. especially one who works as hard as Drew.

Go Roos

 

[kelman]

Simmo seems pretty 'aware' to me.

Most consistent in the comp?

 

[TheGreatCoranzo]

Originally posted by mighty mick
dropping drew petrie what are you smokin

In: Kris Shore
Out: Petrie

Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Moti]

I don't wanna drop either of them.

I just said that I would drop Petrie b4 Corey as I think Corey has been alrite, not perfect but alrite. King is the only 1 I think should be dropped.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I'd be very surprised if Kingy got a game next week, looked comp letely out of sync, and couldn't bend below his knees. I love the bloke to death, but he looked far from up to scratch today.

 

[tashibatts]

Originally posted by Moti
I don't wanna drop either of them.

I just said that I would drop Petrie b4 Corey as I think Corey has been alrite, not perfect but alrite. King is the only 1 I think should be dropped.

You said we needed goal scorers.. and that is why you would drop Drew first- but if you hadn't noticed, Drew kicked 2 goals today..

Now, I personally wouldn't drop Corey either, I am a huge fan of Corey.. love him to death- even loved him in a blues jumper.. but dropping Drew.. even considering it is ridiculous.

Go Roos

 

[Wels Eicke]

The problem with Corey is more his kicking than marking I reckon. From what I've seen this year, his accuracy is fairly ordinary, and his field kicking is pretty average too. I reckon he's been presenting pretty well, and making a contest, just seems to struggle a bit when he gets the ball.

Could say that about everybody today though.

 

[mighty mick]

Originally posted by Moti
I don't wanna drop either of them.

I just said that I would drop Petrie b4 Corey as I think Corey has been alrite, not perfect but alrite. King is the only 1 I think should be dropped.

i wonder why hes been missed by the chopping block. but maybe injury age and form may of made the decision after today, bring on the new blood

 

[Wicko26]

Originally posted by Moti
I would drop Petrie before Corey

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Your Dreaming Moti

 

[Moti]

Sorry Tash, said attacking options, not goal kicking. Just because Grima kicked 2 doesn't mean that I will drop Corey Jones this week.

 

[moomba]

Very promising game by Hale, he has certainly gone a long way to addressing my concerns that he has proven nothing at this level.

I do query his value in the game (and it is a query not a statement, it is also in no way a criticism). It seemed to me (I'll stand corrected on this) that nearly half of his "stats" were earned in the last quarter when the pressure was off. It seemed to me that we were convincingly beaten in the ruck, and around the grounds by the Sydney talls, and at 3 quarter time when the game had been won and lost the stats reflected this.

It's all besides the point anyway, because I don't think we should be expecting him to win the ruck on his own, and you can't argue too much with 15 touches, 9 marks and 2 goals regardless of when they were gained. He showed that he can play at this level, and after that performance I think we all have reason to be pleased with his development.

 

[Angus1]

Hale should stay in the team now as we have all seen him do more in one game then Porter in his whole career.
I wouldn't put Porter back in at all unless Hale gets injured.
As for Petrie being dropped well that is a real strange one.
McKernan probably gets another chance and he can give Hale a spell from ruck although his last 2 games haven't been over impressive.

 

[tashibatts]

The point is, dropping Drew Petrie is not an option.


Go Roos

 

[Moti]

On Hale, the Laidley didn't give him enough time at the centre bounces in the middle 2 quarters. Thought he would work his way into the game but by the time he went into the centre again, the game was gone.

 

[kelman]

I don't think Moti was ever suggesting that Petrie should be dropped, he was simlpy making the point that despite some frustrating efforts by Corey he has been our best big man in terms of an attacking target.

I agree.

 

[Darky]

I think Sav comes into calculations again, both as a forward and ruck option, or maybe more importantly because he can be both.

The way Barry Hall has played for Sydney the last season and a bit, is how I think Sav should be used... similar to how he was used in the first two years under Deni$... floating approx. one long kick from goal, and doing the forward line ruckwork with occasional stints on the ball.

Probably hard to see what changes will be made to the ruck/forward structure this week (if any are made at all) with Port having the bye.

 

[moomba]

As for Porter, he would be back in my side this week. His instructions would be (as usual) to provide a contest in the rucks, and drop back into the hole to block Gehrig's leads. This was an area, that regardless of who was playing (and I would be against Hale playing that role) we did poorly in today.

This would allow Hale (who certainly deserves a game this week) to play a relieving role in the ruck, and also up forward where circumstances merit. This would also free up Brown to play more of a key position role up forward or down back.

The win agaisnt the Saints last year was earned because we forced the Saints talls into defence to cover our talls. Maybe by stacking our forward line with talls we can pull a couple of theirs away from their forward line.

 

[Moti]

They have McGuire, Koszitske and Penny back there, Moomba. Plus guys like Voss who could play forward.

We wouldn't dent their forward structure stacking ours, because to move one of theirs, we have to actually be a threat, and at the moment I doubt our talls can do that.

 

[TheGreatCoranzo]

Originally posted by moomba
As for Porter, he would be back in my side this week. His instructions would be (as usual) to provide a contest in the rucks, and drop back into the hole to block Gehrig's leads. This was an area, that regardless of who was playing (and I would be against Hale playing that role) we did poorly in today.

This would allow Hale (who certainly deserves a game this week) to play a relieving role in the ruck, and also up forward where circumstances merit. This would also free up Brown to play more of a key position role up forward or down back.

The win agaisnt the Saints last year was earned because we forced the Saints talls into defence to cover our talls. Maybe by stacking our forward line with talls we can pull a couple of theirs away from their forward line.

The problem with stacking the forward line with talls is that when the ball hits the deck they will run it out with ease, much like today. It might be worth using Porter or even Sav in 'the hole', imagine getting past that slow moving roadblock

 

[moomba]

Originally posted by TheGreatCoranzo
The problem with stacking the forward line with talls is that when the ball hits the deck they will run it out with ease, much like today. It might be worth using Porter or even Sav in 'the hole', imagine getting past that slow moving roadblock

I'd play Drew further up the ground, and a combination of Hale, Brown, Motlop, Jones in the forward line. Plenty of marking strength but I don't think we would lose out too much when the ball hits the deck. Also Thomas would have to make the decision to stay with small/mid sized players to defend against us (running the risk of losing in the air), or bring some talls back which would hurt their ground strength.