The delisting of Menzel shows what a bad state our game is in

[GroggSquad]

The sentimentality has clouded opinion here. Menzel was a great talent, his injury ridden body has prevented him from being the elite player he was on the verge of becoming back in 2011, he is in Geelong's bottom six and that was the crux of their problem in 2018. Geelong have a great 14 or so players, just as good as anybody else, but it falls away dramatically after that and Menzel is in that bottom 6- 8. It's not a popular decision, but it's the right decision.
Is Menzel the difference Geelong need to bridge the gap they have in team balance to beat Richmond, Collingwood, Eagles and Melbourne in 2019?
IMO....No he isn't!....

Is Rohan the difference? What about Parsons, O’Connor, Cunico, Buzza, Simpson, Zuthrie, Jones, Bews & a cooked Harry Taylor?

2 goals from Menzel is better than anything those guys offer, yet they are all still on your list and Menzel is not.

 

[JackFlash]

Gee

Is Rohan the difference? What about Parsons, O’Connor, Cunico, Buzza, Simpson, Zuthrie, Jones, Bews & a cooked Harry Taylor?

2 goals from Menzel is better than anything those guys offer, yet they are all still on your list and Menzel is not.

Geelong did in fact come 4th in points for this season with a percentage of 131%. kicking goals is not a huge problem. Bews is a back line player, Jones made his debut this year, you can't delist everybody! Menzel has done well to make it to 73 games, Geelong know better than anyone what his body can do and so does every other club, if they don't why are they not knocking themselves out to secure him? Geelong have to become more balanced, teams run the ball out of our forward line far too easily. It's as simple as that.

 

[GroggSquad]

Gee

Geelong did in fact come 4th in points for this season with a percentage of 131%. kicking goals is not a huge problem. Bews is a back line player, Jones made his debut this year, you can't delist everybody! Menzel has done well to make it to 73 games, Geelong know better than anyone what his body can do and so does every other club, if they don't why are they not knocking themselves out to secure him? Geelong have to become more balanced, teams run the ball out of our forward line far too easily. It's as simple as that.

I am just making a point that there are a number of players on your list that offer less than Menzel and should be cut before him.

When Rohan gets injured in 2019, I would want Menzel to come in to replace him - not bloody Parsons!

 

[Man0gwaR74]

I think Richmond won a premiership with a great bottom six!

You miss the point that I was trying to make; There's no such thing as a 'great bottom six' >>>what makes a team great is that there is no bottom 6 or 8 or any number of players>>> they all serve a role in the team to get the job done and they are all considered of equal importance for achieving that goal!

The Cats have just as many elite players as the Tigers! The difference is Richmond are a far more balanced team and have greater on field depth than us throughout their 22 players.

I agree, the Cats have have the cattle on the paddock in terms of quality, but they need a coach with a strategic and tactical mind that can develop a gameplan and get the players motivated and reading from the same page, which is something that Chris Scott has no idea about!

Menzel and the word elite could be used in 2011, not anymore. His body won't allow it, but i hope he gets picked up and i also hope Geelong supporters give him a rousing reception if he ever does return to Kardinia Park no matter who he is playing for, he deserves that at least!

As I mentioned above; Menzel's body allowed him to be one of the leading goal kickers in the highest form of competition for that sport before an injury and dodgy injection disrupted his season, so what else do you need to do to be considered elite if that is not enough to confirm it? Yeah sure, he needs to be managed for injuries but seems like all good players need to be managed for injuries at some stage during the season, just that Menzel needs to be managed on a more consistent basis!

 

[JackFlash]

I am just making a point that there are a number of players on your list that offer less than Menzel and should be cut before him.

When Rohan gets injured in 2019, I would want Menzel to come in to replace him - not bloody Parsons!

I don't want him gone, but i understand the reasoning behind it. We are not good enough and changes have to be made, some will be unpopular, that's footy!

 

[Seeds]

But he's not! He never recovered from the mid-season injury. He runs straight, can't turn and twist. He is one dimensional.. By season's end he was a liability.

Its funny how menzel is a liability after the injury but henry was a fantastic prospect as a forward. Both had similar stats except menzel kicked 12 goals in 8 games and henry kicked 8 goals in 8 games.

 

[Seeds]

We have a clear problem with poor disposal.

Solution: sack one of our best disposers of the ball.

 

[Nickoo]

One of the most perplexing list decisions in league history.

Pies were brutal with him.

Tony Shaw coaching days?

Hard to remember...

It was leigh, reportedly done down at the Tote.


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[Nickoo]

It can't be worse than one of our incompetent medical team injecting him in the wrong place, thus causing Menzel an infection.

The medical team don’t give the regular injections its the physios. And that injection was most likely NOT given at the club hence why nothing has ever been confirmed.


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[Nickoo]

You know that Menzel missed 2012, 2013 and 2014 then played 2 games in 2015, right? He also only played 3 games in his first year. Rohan missed effectively two seasons, Menzel effectively four.

He played 18, 19 and 13 games the last 3 years. Rohan played 18, 16 and 11. As I said, it's a strange decision to bring in Rohan and dump Menzel. Different players but both unreliable. I would be very surprised if Rohan didn't miss 4-6 games at least in 2019.

Menz was always shot at the end of each season. He was very lucky to get the last contract after seeing Joel near goal free and electing to have a shot instead in the PF. Just added to a crap night which I witnessed. His performance in the EF this year was similarly underwhelming.


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[Nickoo]

That only makes it more strange that they’d delist him when he’s performing.

He’s not though. That’s the point.


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[Max zero]

Menz was always shot at the end of each season. He was very lucky to get the last contract after seeing Joel near goal free and electing to have a shot instead in the PF. Just added to a crap night which I witnessed. His performance in the EF this year was similarly underwhelming.


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Still got second in your goal kicking this year though.

I just find the whole thing strange though. You keep Kelly and bring in Dalhaus and Rohan on the idea this is the last flag tilt before the rebuild yet delist your (flawed) mature age rank 2 goal kicker.

Just how many goals are you expecting out of Danger, Menegola and Kelly?

I honestly wonder what exactly is the plan at Geelong for next year and beyond.

 

[mr bagcroft]

lol,
He is still worth picking up. Christ, goals every game.
This "he has no defence" and your useless without is a bunch of horse shit. People just trotting out theory they hear in the media.
You got to kick the fukkers to win games you know. Jesus.

 

[Nickoo]

Still got second in your goal kicking this year though.

I just find the whole thing strange though. You keep Kelly and bring in Dalhaus and Rohan on the idea this is the last flag tilt before the rebuild yet delist your (flawed) mature age rank 2 goal kicker.

Just how many goals are you expecting out of Danger, Menegola and Kelly?

I honestly wonder what exactly is the plan at Geelong for next year and beyond.

Absolutely zero effort in EF says it all. Most of the goals you refer came early and being second in a dysfunctional fwd line is not something to crow about.


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[Max zero]

Absolutely zero effort in EF says it all. Most of the goals you refer came early and being second in a dysfunctional fwd line is not something to crow about.


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To be fair he wasn't exactly alone there.

 

[Whit3y]

I honestly wonder what exactly is the plan at Geelong for next year and beyond.

Your not the only one

 

[Vdubs]

Am a Menzel fan and always have been.
I think he is the victim of a horrible performance in the Elimination Final v Demons.
If that was his future litmus test, he failed it badly, along with many others, but he was rated worst on ground for us, whereas in the early game v Demons, game 1, he was electric.
He has definitely gone off as the season has gone on.
A one year deal should still have been offered to him at Geelong, this year, and every year he kicks goals and marks the way he does.
Maybe they have decided he has reached his very best and will likely decline, and they certainly know all aboUt his body, which we don't.
And whatever was that issue he had this year that required injection (?) and time out??

 

[Vdubs]

The medical team don’t give the regular injections its the physios. And that injection was most likely NOT given at the club hence why nothing has ever been confirmed.


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What ..... is this Nickoo?
No club physio ever gives the injections, and often they are done by an interventional radiologist under imaging guidance.
Many team docs also give injections, but not during the week as much where there is more of a long term outcome desired.

 

[NonPhixion]

Menzel is a better version of Fasolo. surely he gets picked up

 

[Man0gwaR74]

Am a Menzel fan and always have been.
I think he is the victim of a horrible performance in the Elimination Final v Demons.
If that was his future litmus test, he failed it badly, along with many others, but he was rated worst on ground for us, whereas in the early game v Demons, game 1, he was electric.
He has definitely gone off as the season has gone on.
A one year deal should still have been offered to him at Geelong, this year, and every year he kicks goals and marks the way he does.
Maybe they have decided he has reached his very best and will likely decline, and they certainly know all aboUt his body, which we don't.
And whatever was that issue he had this year that required injection (?) and time out??

I'm curious as to what you mean by the ^bold lettered words^ coz Menzel hasn't got much chop as far as that goes! Menzel rarely marks the ball above his head in a contested situation, if ever!

 

[Vdubs]

I'm curious as to what you mean by the ^bold lettered words^ coz Menzel hasn't got much chop as far as that goes! Menzel rarely marks the ball above his head in a contested situation, if ever!

He tapered off late this season, but I remember Dan as a really good overhead mark, even elastic. He has that ability to be under the ball, hyperextend his spine, and take fingertip grabs, more than once.
Over his career, his marking is very good, imho

 

[Ricketz]

Its funny how menzel is a liability after the injury but henry was a fantastic prospect as a forward. Both had similar stats except menzel kicked 12 goals in 8 games and henry kicked 8 goals in 8 games.

You are comparing the upside of a second year rookie who played switch all year to a one position specialist drafted in 2009, and has gone past his peak potential.

Can you honestly not see the difference?

 

[Vdubs]

I am just making a point that there are a number of players on your list that offer less than Menzel and should be cut before him.

When Rohan gets injured in 2019, I would want Menzel to come in to replace him - not bloody Parsons!

Rohan is not replacing Menzel; more like Murdoch.
We are possibly hoping a fit Cockatoo (yes, maybe oxymoronic) finally produces in that role as a medium pressure forward.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

He tapered off late this season, but I remember Dan as a really good overhead mark, even elastic. He has that ability to be under the ball, hyperextend his spine, and take fingertip grabs, more than once.
Over his career, his marking is very good, imho

Menzel is excellent above his head generally - it's one of his best traits. It did taper off significantly in the second half of this year though, where he tried (mostly unsuccessfully) to work his opponent under the ball far more than usual.

 

[Man0gwaR74]

Menzel is excellent above his head generally - it's one of his best traits. It did taper off significantly in the second half of this year though, where he tried (mostly unsuccessfully) to work his opponent under the ball far more than usual.

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