The delisting of Menzel shows what a bad state our game is in

[Leeda]

and we'll get Menzel and you'll be sorry.. he looks a likely type... just putting it out there...

 

[Leeda]

This. He'd be a great fit at Richmond imo who have a forward line filled with high-pressure types. I think WC would be a good destination too especially after the retirement of Frenchy. Those are the clubs I'd be looking at, I see him more as a 'cream' type player to complement an already great team

yu and you're cohorts are meant to be diabolical and you are also doing nothing towards your machinations of winning.. get with it

 

[Catters 070911]

To kick goals you need midfield supply! It's like comparing apples and oranges!

That's because our bigger problem is in the ruck, a problem we should have addressed during trade period.

Menzel isn't going to win hit-outs, so that won't solve the midfield problem.

 

[Catters 070911]

I hope for his sake he doesn't end up at Adelaide. After seeing our fitness dept. ruin even the most durable players, I'd hate to see what they could do to Menzel. Dude would probably end up in a wheelchair or some shit.

It can't be worse than one of our incompetent medical team injecting him in the wrong place, thus causing Menzel an infection.

 

[Catters 070911]

I am cool with the idea, I would love a massive rebuild and load up again in a few years. I’ve been expecting this for years and am surprised it has taken as long as it has - thought Geelong were shot after 2013.

They will do well next year though. It’s the proceeding years that will be the issue.

Why do we need a massive rebuild?

Sydney don't have a massive rebuild. Sydney don't go to the bottom of the ladder.

Hawthorn don't do a massive rebuild.

Carlton are still rebuilding. Look how well that has gone.

Rebuilds are massively overrated.

Look at the last six or seven premiers.

-Geelong 2011- Contained most of our 2007-09 premiership sides.

-Sydney 2012- Wasn't a rebuild. Sydney never went to the bottom

-Hawthorn 2013-15 - Hawthorn didn't bottom out, and added only one or two different players (from other clubs) for each premiership.

- WB- Won it before their time and now are struggling. Hardly a successful model.

-Richmond- Topped up with three players- Caddy, Prestia and Nankervis, and won the flag.

-WCE- Most of their premiership players were there for years.

So, tell me which rebuild team has gone onto win a flag? Total rebuilds are bullshit.

Besides, Daniel Menzel is hardly the sole determinant in whether we win a flag or not.

 

[Catters 070911]

the cats need something fresh, something new,
something borrowed and something blue.

I'd say that Jarmain Jones, Quinton Narkle, Ryan Abbott, Mark O'Connor, Estava Rataguleaoua, Tim Kelly and Jack Henry playing senior games this year makes the team fresh and new.

 

[Catters 070911]

This

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Missing the Grand Final after Tigers fans crowed all year shows what a bad state Richmond are in.

 

[Catters 070911]

You just recruited Gary Rohan who has played 106 in 9 and played at least one in all of them. He also played fewer games than Menzel this year.

Pardon my math, but 106 games from 9 seasons is better than 73 games from 9 seasons.

 

[Catters 070911]

Yep, not talking about who we recruit-just talking about the Menzel situation. Not an unreasonable decision by the club. What’s with all the self-righteousness on this thread?
Let’s see if your club picks him up as a replacement for lecras.

WCE won't even work to get Tim Kelly from us, so why would they want Daniel Menzel?

 

[Catters 070911]

and we'll get Menzel and you'll be sorry.. he looks a likely type... just putting it out there...

You'll be sorry that you traded away Ryan Burton, when he goes onto being a star for Port.

 

[Leeda]

You'll be sorry that you traded away Ryan Burton, when he goes onto being a star for Port.

tit for tat... always a burden with gains and losses..

 

[JackFlash]

The sentimentality has clouded opinion here. Menzel was a great talent, his injury ridden body has prevented him from being the elite player he was on the verge of becoming back in 2011, he is in Geelong's bottom six and that was the crux of their problem in 2018. Geelong have a great 14 or so players, just as good as anybody else, but it falls away dramatically after that and Menzel is in that bottom 6- 8. It's not a popular decision, but it's the right decision.
Is Menzel the difference Geelong need to bridge the gap they have in team balance to beat Richmond, Collingwood, Eagles and Melbourne in 2019?
IMO....No he isn't!....

 

[Catters 070911]

tit for tat... always a burden with gains and losses..

....or, in Hawthorn's case, always a BURTON with gains and losses.

 

[Leeda]

....or, in Hawthorn's case, always a BURTON with gains and losses.

clever cat you are.. these are always gonna be trying times but you wander in and rumble the nicety.. sad to see the lad go..

 

[Man0gwaR74]

That's because our bigger problem is in the ruck, a problem we should have addressed during trade period.

Menzel isn't going to win hit-outs, so that won't solve the midfield problem.

Funny how you would say that when The Cats already proved last season that they can beat the best Ruck in the comp. Stanley scored more Fantasy points than Gawn when he last played against him. The Ruck is a bit thin for the Cats but it isn't such a problem for the Cats' midfield.

 

[Scotland]

Pardon my math, but 106 games from 9 seasons is better than 73 games from 9 seasons.

You know that Menzel missed 2012, 2013 and 2014 then played 2 games in 2015, right? He also only played 3 games in his first year. Rohan missed effectively two seasons, Menzel effectively four.

He played 18, 19 and 13 games the last 3 years. Rohan played 18, 16 and 11. As I said, it's a strange decision to bring in Rohan and dump Menzel. Different players but both unreliable. I would be very surprised if Rohan didn't miss 4-6 games at least in 2019.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

He applied 0 offensive pressure. True reflection of the game shows these days you have to work both ways.

Exactly it's more a sad reflection on him that he wouldn't work hard to do what was required for the team. Players can have all the skill in the world but unless you're willing to work hard you're not gonna get a game (in a good team anyway).

Other players see Menzel coasting and think they can do the same, it's about setting standards as much as holding him personally to account.

 

[romeohwho]

Exactly it's more a sad reflection on him that he wouldn't work hard to do what was required for the team. Players can have all the skill in the world but unless you're willing to work hard you're not gonna get a game (in a good team anyway).

Other players see Menzel coasting and think they can do the same, it's about setting standards as much as holding him personally to account.

Actually think his body’s limitations have plenty to do with that, rather than lack of work ethic. If you work your way back from 4 recos, you are surely willing. He can pretty well only run in straight lines. So that has repercussions!

 

[mike123]

Also does anyone else find it absurd they’re being bashed for delisting Menzel now?

They could have done it years ago but they persisted with him even after so many knee injuries. They don’t really owe him anything.

That only makes it more strange that they’d delist him when he’s performing.

 

[Seeds]

People who are bagging the sacking of Menzel weren't crying when we traded out Travis Varcoe.

Many here wanted Varcoe gone from Geelong, called him a spud, and blamed him for us missing the 2013 GF, and seemed to forget his efforts in the 2011 GF, and his pivotal role of handballing to Chapman for THAT goal in the 2009 GF.

Varcoe was a tackling machine, and put forward pressure on, and he has carried that, and even improved, at Collingwood.

Where were many of you crying then, when we traded out a tackling machine who kicked goals AND put on forward pressure, but now you all moan about getting rid of a guy with dodgy knees and who doesn't apply forward pressure.

Yes i was. I was furious for varcoe leaving. His form returned in the last month and then we let him go.

Varcoe can be added to the list of geelong players with a high skill set that get thrown on the heap by a coach the had none of it as a player.

Menzel, motlop, johnson, chapman, caddy, varcoe and mitch clark.

 

[Sttew]

That only makes it more strange that they’d delist him when he’s performing.

But he's not! He never recovered from the mid-season injury. He runs straight, can't turn and twist. He is one dimensional.. By season's end he was a liability.

 

[Man0gwaR74]

The sentimentality has clouded opinion here. Menzel was a great talent, his injury ridden body has prevented him from being the elite player he was on the verge of becoming back in 2011, he is in Geelong's bottom six and that was the crux of their problem in 2018. Geelong have a great 14 or so players, just as good as anybody else, but it falls away dramatically after that and Menzel is in that bottom 6- 8. It's not a popular decision, but it's the right decision.
Is Menzel the difference Geelong need to bridge the gap they have in team balance to beat Richmond, Collingwood, Eagles and Melbourne in 2019?
IMO....No he isn't!....

What Geelong supporter's heart doesn't bleed for Menzel after all the setbacks that he's overcome to realize his dream. Menzel was one of the leading goal kickers in the AFL last season after 5rounds so still grounds to be considered elite. I'm not a fan of this BS 'bottom 6' rationale coz premierships are not won with that sort of mentality! Menzel is a unique talent and worth considering to build a gameplan around! The difference between the Cats and those elite teams is that Geelong has a useless coach with zero gameplan that promotes a weak team ethos!

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Actually think his body’s limitations have plenty to do with that, rather than lack of work ethic. If you work your way back from 4 recos, you are surely willing. He can pretty well only run in straight lines. So that has repercussions!

Yeah thats fair enough. I guess the point is you can't get by due to talent alone whether due to injury or work ethic. Those days have been gone for 50 years (in the top sides anyway).

 

[JackFlash]

What Geelong supporter's heart doesn't bleed for Menzel after all the setbacks that he's overcome to realize his dream. Menzel was one of the leading goal kickers in the AFL last season after 5rounds so still grounds to be considered elite. I'm not a fan of this BS 'bottom 6' rationale coz premierships are not won with that sort of mentality! Menzel is a unique talent and worth considering to build a gameplan around! The difference between the Cats and those elite teams is that Geelong has a useless coach with zero gameplan that promotes a weak team ethos!

I think Richmond won a premiership with a great bottom six! The Cats have just as many elite players as the Tigers! The difference is Richmond are a far more balanced team and have greater on field depth than us throughout their 22 players. Menzel and the word elite could be used in 2011, not anymore. His body won't allow it, but i hope he gets picked up and i also hope Geelong supporters give him a rousing reception if he ever does return to Kardinia Park no matter who he is playing for, he deserves that at least!

 

[Swarhily]

If you as a WCE supporter are so worried about our forward stocks, maybe you should have traded Josh Kennedy or Jack Darling to us for Tim Kelly.

Now this is the type of level headed speaking I've come to expect from Geelong supports over the last couple of months, I'm looking forward to next years dialogue