The delisting of Menzel shows what a bad state our game is in

[clobba]

He'd be a good depth player at the Saints.

Hope we take a look.

no

 

[PP34]

Fas was a lazy campaigner.

Like Jack Watts going to Port, Fas will end up in the magoos because he has zero work rate.

Isn't it hilarious all these people bemoaning the demise of lazy footballers?

 

[Scotland]

At 190cm / 90kg Menzel is a 'tweener in modern footy. A rich man's Ben McKinley.

In the 90s he would've been a star, but in the 90s he would've been a key forward. Gary Ablett Sr kicked 100+ 3 years in a row and didn't tackle. Tony Modra was 188cm and had fewer tackles in his whole career than renowned pressure forward (ha) Mark LeCras had this season.

His lack of defensive pressure is well documented (1 tackle, 1 1%er a game) but he also doesn't do that much offensively. He's great to watch when he has he ball but 11 touches, 1-2 goals, 2 inside 50s a game isn't really what you want from a bloke that only runs one way. If he could get involved in the game more he'd be a valuable player. Jamie Cripps (who is excellent defensively) was in the same boat, just hovering around 10-11 disposals a game and kicking a goal or two most weeks. He now pushes up the ground more and this year got 16 touches and 3.5 inside 50s a game to go with his 38 goals.

 

[kickazz]

What happened with his injection - anything specific - or was it just that his form went south following a particular injection, and his lack of form was consequently put down to this injection? Just curious.

Read in another post that cortisone got into the bone or something, I think they just missed the spot so to speak.

 

[PowerForGood]

And yet the fact he was kept on the list for so long despite his injury problems shows a very positive side of Geelong as well, ditto the Swans for so long with Alex Johnson till this year.

 

[skittlebrew]

Teams want guys they can build around not someone who is one injury away from never playing again.

 

[Franko Armani]

Cats in trouble next year bookmark it

 

[Scotland]

Teams want guys they can build around not someone who is one injury away from never playing again.

IN: Rohan
OUT: Menzel

Menzel: wat?

 

[LongPause]

Isn't it hilarious all these people bemoaning the demise of lazy footballers?

Only on bigfooty would people defend a players laziness and poor ethic, deflecting from competitive business decisions by spouting 'state of the game' illuminati doomsday ideas.

 

[Major Colvin]

Obviously Menzel's not the player he wouldve been if not for the 4 knee reco's (noone would be) and its amazing he's come back and played nearly three seasons, albeit hampered with injury throughout. I assume its the fragility of his body that have clubs hesitant to take a chance on him. I'd definitely throw him a lifeline at the Dees, I think he can be a beautiful user of the ball. Confidence seems to have been down recently at Geelong and obviously he doesn't have the support of Scott or the coaches there. A new opportunity could see him flourish and be very valuable

 

[Scotland]

I wonder how many players are delisted because they hold out for a better deal that isn't on offer.

WC ****ed up at the club end with Mitch Brown but when it gets down to the last couple of spots on the list it would get pretty tight.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

Obviously Menzel's not the player he wouldve been if not for the 4 knee reco's (noone would be) and its amazing he's come back and played nearly three seasons, albeit hampered with injury throughout. I assume its the fragility of his body that have clubs hesitant to take a chance on him. I'd definitely throw him a lifeline at the Dees, I think he can be a beautiful user of the ball. Confidence seems to have been down recently at Geelong and obviously he doesn't have the support of Scott or the coaches there. A new opportunity could see him flourish and be very valuable

Agree. He's very very good footballer still and has been free of ACL issues for a few years now. Just had other niggles, which is understandable after so many operations and so long off. He'll never be 100%, but he was clearly a best 22 player still.

 

[skittlebrew]

IN: Rohan
OUT: Menzel

Menzel: wat?

Fair point but I'm not involved in Geelong's recruitment decision making so I can't help you on that one.

I don't really understand getting Dalhaus either...

 

[Man0gwaR74]

Nope. Troy was lazy just like his brother and going to Adelaide did nothing to change his career. Never developed the tank to be a midfielder and like Daniel wasn't capable of much more than kicking goals.

Yep, Carlton's poor culture made Troy complacent!

I don't really understand getting Dalhaus either...

You'll understand why after next season!

 

[Heaps of fun]

Rioli - limited pre-season, one goal and four tackles per game.
Higgins - first year player.
Castagna - similar averages to Rioli.
Butler - see Rioli, Castagna.

That's exactly the point. Four 1 goal a game forwards who tackle a lot.

 

[Xtreme]

May as well have made Ablett retire.

Yes Menzel was weak defensively (as is Ablett) but at least Menzel is a goal scoring machine.

Geelong is run by humpty dumpty morons.

 

[Seeds]

He was a legitimate liability in their final. He doesn’t chase, didn’t lead and was relying purely on the ball coming in quick off a turnover and therefore being in an advantageous position.

Sorry but I just don’t agree at all with this having to do with the state of the game. His injuries have made him a very one dimensional player. He can take marks and kick goals but if you put proper time into him he can be shut out of a game rather easily. He isn’t going to work hard to beat his man so he’s basically a passenger out there.

He basically plays like a lazy full forward except he doesn’t have the height or weight to be a constant problem. He’s flawed like numerous other footballers who get the chop. Don’t see anyone crying when some backmen gets the chop because he can’t intercept mark.

I agree that he’s talented but talent only gets you so far in any sport. Same with goals. Unless you’re kicking big bags a couple of goals a game barely has an impact compared to what other more rounded players can do.

Did you see the play where he ran fifty metres and tackled two players in that play disposing them of the ball twice?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

He applied 0 offensive pressure. True reflection of the game shows these days you have to work both ways.

Plenty of team mates in the same boat with regards to applying pressure, in all parts of the ground.

Geelong better be attacking, pressuring machine all over the ground next year or they can gagf.

The only pressure Hawkins exerts is by kicking goals, same as Menzel.

Let's get rid of Menzel who at least kicks goals and keeps some scoreboard pressure on and retain all the untalented smalls who can't get on the park. (yes Menzel was once one of these, but isn't now)

 

[Kwality]

Menzel still has the talent but doesn’t work hard enough for today’s game, just like Jeff Garlett. It’s a shame in some respects.

Spot on.
Anyone who has read the advice given to Willie Rioli by Cyril included fitness & forward pressure, & he's come from a long way back - whether Menzels body allows him to meet the demands of todays game, seems the Cats think no more.

 

[Seeds]

May as well have made Ablett retire.

Yes Menzel was weak defensively (as is Ablett) but at least Menzel is a goal scoring machine.

Geelong is run by humpty dumpty morons.

Geelong is run by humpty dumpty morons. Hawthorn would of never won the 2013 grand final if those humpty dumpty morons werent there so you should be greatful.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Lazy Geelong player too scared to tackle and chase gets delisted

Oh look, it's someone from that mob that no one cares about again.

 

[PP34]

Did you see the play where he ran fifty metres and tackled two players in that play disposing them of the ball twice?

Would have been the only time he chased all game

 

[Kwality]

Did you see the play where he ran fifty metres and tackled two players in that play disposing them of the ball twice?

Are you saying Menzel can do what is required but chooses not to?

 

[Seeds]

Remember when both the Menzel brothers were the next big things? What happened to that

4 knee reconstructions.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Bloke on the radio likened it to Ian Baker-Finch, bit much but a small fwd who doesn’t convert isn’t very useful. I’d say he would have been on decent coin and the club would have a fair outlook on what his future footy career could be.

Was on **** all.