News the double deal?

[kangaspurs]

Montagna is retiring.

Damn. I thought this year would be the year that we finally sign him up.

 

[Firestarter]

Damn. I thought this year would be the year that we finally sign him up.

We'll just find a new Farren Ray.

: long pause, then a new hole in the wall :

 

[Dirty_11]

From an unequivocally optimistic viewpoint

Josh is doing exactly what he should be.
His young team is gearing up for a tilt at the Premiership, and with trade rumours hanging off him like a Royal Blue and White albatross, is doing everything he can to diminish the ripple effect this underlying doubt can have on his squad. He's leading their midfield, and chucking up 40 disposal games while he's at it.

Maybe we've had him at a handshake agreement for months already, and the rumours just leaked as all information does.
Maybe his decision is still up in the air.

I'll tell you what..
Josh leaving the STACKED list that is currently GWS and joining NMFC, essentially putting the club on his shoulders for the next decade, would've been a somewhat daunting proposition I'm sure.

But now it's looking very likely that we've secured another Brownlow-talent midfielder in Dusty (Josh's handshake could've had any manner of influence on this too for all we know).
Suddenly, the entire dynamic of our club - AND THIS DECISION - has changed.
Now it's not just about his old man's team, the grass roots of his love for football, the colours he's always dreamed of wearing, and the $10million on offer.
North are suddenly ******* dangerous again.

The NMFC list is always underrated, either by the media or the general AFL fan. I guarantee you, our next Premiership will be regarded as the "Least talented Premiership side EVER".
Every time we win a match it's a giant friggin shock to somebody.

Players know better.

A Kelly, Cunnington, Martin, Ziebell, Dumont, Ahern (Swallow to cover injuries) with cameos from McDonald and Mountford, is absolute caviar.
Brown is a build-your-entire-team-around forward talent, and he's young, and LOYAL.
Tarrant and his Defenders - Nielsen, Williams, Thompson, EVW, JMac, Wright - whenever our midfield has been anything other than an absolute disgrace, have DISMANTLED the opposition.
Waite, Simpkin, Wood, Turner, McKay, Durdin, Zurhaar - I'm forgetting all sorts of blokes here but you add Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly to our list, and we will beat just about anyone into submission.

Bringing the fire back to the NMFC supporter base, playing under the roof, blockbusting Good Friday, reclaiming Friday Nights, backs against the wall - us against them - middle fingers to the League, we're not going ANYWHERE... you couldn't script it any better for the introverted badass Dusty, or the poster boy prodigal son/club saviour JKelly.

I believe.

Amen

 

[Dirty_11]

Montagna is shit.

EFA

 

[Benno_900]

EFA

That is very clever.

PM your mailing address so I can send you a cookie.

 

[ohmymountford]

Reckon we have more chance of kelly than martin.. rumours is martin has already decided where he's at next year and the main person who knows is cotchin, so reckon we go real hard for kelly now

 

[FloozyRoozy]

Reckon we have more chance of kelly than martin.. rumours is martin has already decided where he's at next year and the main person who knows is cotchin, so reckon we go real hard for kelly now

King Corey do some investigation on this one

 

[ohmymountford]

King Corey do some investigation on this one

unfortunately the mail (not even mail it's known fact) that he's friendship with cotchin is a lot stronger than marley williams, him and cotchin are practically family and the three main people aware of martins decison is Carr, Shane and Cotchin

 

[GreatBradScott]

unfortunately the mail (not even mail it's known fact) that he's friendship with cotchin is a lot stronger than marley williams, him and cotchin are practically family and the three main people aware of martins decison is Carr, Shane and Cotchin

We get it Trent - you're close with him.

 

[Donkey Chop]

unfortunately the mail (not even mail it's known fact) that he's friendship with cotchin is a lot stronger than marley williams, him and cotchin are practically family and the three main people aware of martins decison is Carr, Shane and Cotchin

Lol

 

[Imatugger]

unfortunately the mail (not even mail it's known fact) that he's friendship with cotchin is a lot stronger than marley williams, him and cotchin are practically family and the three main people aware of martins decison is Carr, Shane and Cotchin

That is just not true at all and you know it. Clutching at straws.

 

[ohmymountford]

That is just not true at all and you know it. Clutching at straws.

Just stating facts and being realistic, especially with those thinking him and marleys friendship is the closest relationship in his life. Cotchin will have an impact on his decision, whether everyone likes it or not

 

[SpiderBurton22]

That is just not true at all and you know it. Clutching at straws.

Stop quoting your alias. You look like a flog.

 

[LT Smash]

Why would you bother to set up a troll account just for this issue?

 

[lockheed]

I'll start by saying that this is totally surmise, and that I am as far from the inner circle of NM as anyone on this Board.

I still don't expect Dusty to come to North Melbourne, but the figures being bandied are high enough, if you believe are esteemed scribes, to be concerning. Nonetheless, I assume that our club knows exactly what they're doing. So I thought I'd do some sums.

I'm drawing heavily from Augustine's original post. I've adjusted his figures on the feedback I received, that Harvey and Petrie were only fairly small amounts. Assuming that Dal Santo and Wells were on $600,000, Harvey, Petrie and Firrito were on $200,000. I'm guessing that Black was on $300,000, and that Nahas, Mackenzie, Tippett and Ray averaged $100,000 each. That would be a saving of $2,5000,000. I'm guessing again that Williams and Hrovat are on $300,000 each, and Ahern is perhaps on $200,000.We also have to find money for Simpkin: $74,730, Watson and Josh Williams: $67,935 each, Larkey, Zurhaar, Junker, Taylor, each on $64,395. If I've done the sums correctly, we have a saving (and this is very approximate). We've also resigned a few players. Trying to be conservative, I'll assume that out TPP were unders by $1.4M this year, and that we've front loaded contracts, giving us a spare $2.8 M in cash.

Last year's TPP was $10.37M, and the figure this year is $12.45. Hence the kitty increases by $2.08M to a possible total of $4.88 M.

I'll make two further assumptions, that NM has been paying the minimum salary cap for the last three years, and has been 'banking' that amount for that time with the AFL. Hence we might have an additional TPP of 3 times 5% of $10.37M, or about $1.5 M. So the kitty is now up to $6.3 M.

This is a total exercise in guessery, but we may have an extra cache of $6.3 M, or $4.9 M over our existing TPP gap for this year, to attract Kelly and Martin. If this is correct, we can comfortably afford both players, pay Big Ben what he deserves and have space to renew our current players contracts as they role over.

Please let me know if you find the obvious or less obvious errors, and I'll try and update this information accordingly.

GR or TT - if this passes scrutiny, please feel free to tweet this to your wise friends in the media; credit the collective NM BF posters.

 

[shintemaster]

I'll start by saying that this is totally surmise, and that I am as far from the inner circle of NM as anyone on this Board.

I still don't expect Dusty to come to North Melbourne, but the figures being bandied are high enough, if you believe are esteemed scribes, to be concerning. Nonetheless, I assume that our club knows exactly what they're doing. So I thought I'd do some sums.

I'm drawing heavily from Augustine's original post. I've adjusted his figures on the feedback I received, that Harvey and Petrie were only fairly small amounts. Assuming that Dal Santo and Wells were on $600,000, Harvey, Petrie and Firrito were on $200,000. I'm guessing that Black was on $300,000, and that Nahas, Mackenzie, Tippett and Ray averaged $100,000 each. That would be a saving of $2,5000,000. I'm guessing again that Williams and Hrovat are on $300,000 each, and Ahern is perhaps on $200,000.We also have to find money for Simpkin: $74,730, Watson and Josh Williams: $67,935 each, Larkey, Zurhaar, Junker, Taylor, each on $64,395. If I've done the sums correctly, we have a saving (and this is very approximate). We've also resigned a few players. Trying to be conservative, I'll assume that out TPP were unders by $1.4M this year, and that we've front loaded contracts, giving us a spare $2.8 M in cash.

Last year's TPP was $10.37M, and the figure this year is $12.45. Hence the kitty increases by $2.08M to a possible total of $4.88 M.

I'll make two further assumptions, that NM has been paying the minimum salary cap for the last three years, and has been 'banking' that amount for that time with the AFL. Hence we might have an additional TPP of 3 times 5% of $10.37M, or about $1.5 M. So the kitty is now up to $6.3 M.

This is a total exercise in guessery, but we may have an extra cache of $6.3 M, or $4.9 M over our existing TPP gap for this year, to attract Kelly and Martin. If this is correct, we can comfortably afford both players, pay Big Ben what he deserves and have space to renew our current players contracts as they role over.

Please let me know if you find the obvious or less obvious errors, and I'll try and update this information accordingly.

GR or TT - if this passes scrutiny, please feel free to tweet this to your wise friends in the media; credit the collective NM BF posters.

Don't think you can bank your 5% cumulatively like that but otherwise I'd say your about right. I'd put it around more the $5M mark - pre any significant other signings this year.

 

[lockheed]

Don't think you can bank your 5% cumulatively like that but otherwise I'd say your about right. I'd put it around more the $5M mark - pre any significant other signings this year.

I did some research - http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf paragraph 13 (e):
"AFL Clubs may spend over 100% of the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit (Combined Limit), if in any of the preceding three years the Club has spent below 100% of the Combined Limit".

So I still believe that the club may have a war chest of circa $6.3 M this year, plus any money saved by delistings, retirements etc.

Is it safe to post this on the Tigers board?

 

[Firestarter]

I did some research - http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf paragraph 13 (e):
"AFL Clubs may spend over 100% of the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit (Combined Limit), if in any of the preceding three years the Club has spent below 100% of the Combined Limit".

So I still believe that the club may have a war chest of circa $6.3 M this year, plus any money saved by delistings, retirements etc.

Is it safe to post this on the Tigers board?

Maybe. Wouldn't risk it though.

 

[Donkey Chop]

I did some research - http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf paragraph 13 (e):
"AFL Clubs may spend over 100% of the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit (Combined Limit), if in any of the preceding three years the Club has spent below 100% of the Combined Limit".

So I still believe that the club may have a war chest of circa $6.3 M this year, plus any money saved by delistings, retirements etc.

Is it safe to post this on the Tigers board?

Don't bother. They're a pack of foamers

 

[GarnerSmash]

I did some research - http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf paragraph 13 (e):
"AFL Clubs may spend over 100% of the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit (Combined Limit), if in any of the preceding three years the Club has spent below 100% of the Combined Limit".

So I still believe that the club may have a war chest of circa $6.3 M this year, plus any money saved by delistings, retirements etc.

Is it safe to post this on the Tigers board?

So theoretically we could front load the **** outta Dusty and Kelly contracts, then backload the **** out of Brown and anyone else so as to ensure list continuity.

EG:

Dusty: $3 mil per year for 2 years, $800k per year for 5 years = $10 million
Kelly: $ 3 mil per year for 2 years, $615K per year for 7 years = $10 million

So from 2020 onwards most of their contracts would be off the books, leaving us with a heap of space for other contracts.

 

[lockheed]

So theoretically we could front load the **** outta Dusty and Kelly contracts, then backload the **** out of Brown and anyone else so as to ensure list continuity.

EG:

Dusty: $3 mil per year for 2 years, $800k per year for 5 years = $10 million
Kelly: $ 3 mil per year for 2 years, $615K per year for 7 years = $10 million

So from 2020 onwards most of their contracts would be off the books, leaving us with a heap of space for other contracts.

If all my assumptions are correct, yes.

Of course, the AFL will respond by changing the rules!

 

[Passmore]

I did some research - http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf paragraph 13 (e):
"AFL Clubs may spend over 100% of the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit (Combined Limit), if in any of the preceding three years the Club has spent below 100% of the Combined Limit".

So I still believe that the club may have a war chest of circa $6.3 M this year, plus any money saved by delistings, retirements etc.

Is it safe to post this on the Tigers board?

Wouldn't bother. None of the simpletons will get it, they'll respond with lolnorf, norfpoor etc etc and you'll get a ban.

 

[Firestarter]

Wouldn't bother. None of the simpletons will get it, they'll respond with lolnorf, norfpoor etc etc and you'll get a ban.

Courtesy of Sterge.

 

[tigerwill]

I did some research - http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf paragraph 13 (e):
"AFL Clubs may spend over 100% of the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit (Combined Limit), if in any of the preceding three years the Club has spent below 100% of the Combined Limit".

So I still believe that the club may have a war chest of circa $6.3 M this year, plus any money saved by delistings, retirements etc.

Is it safe to post this on the Tigers board?

Probably safe, but you'll get a mixture of replies.

But just to clarify a couple of points. You can underspend, but only by 5%, you need to pay a minimum of 95% of the TPP.
If you pay less than the 95% a club pays the balance to the afl of up to the 95% and the afl distributes this to that clubs players.
A club can only overspend by a maximum of 5% of the TPP in any one year. ie 105% of that years TPP. Any underspend in one year can be banked for up to 3 years then it ceases. So it can roll on, but it doesn't accumulate, if that makes sense.
You can only ever have a maximum of 105% of the TPP to spend in any one year.

Reference the link you provided. But scroll down to paragraph 13 (f) and (g).
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf

 

[blackshadow]

Probably safe, but you'll get a mixture of replies.

But just to clarify a couple of points. You can underspend, but only by 5%, you need to pay a minimum of 95% of the TPP.
If you pay less than the 95% a club pays the balance to the afl of up to the 95% and the afl distributes this to that clubs players.
A club can only overspend by a maximum of 5% of the TPP in any one year. ie 105% of that years TPP. Any underspend in one year can be banked for up to 3 years then it ceases. So it can roll on, but it doesn't accumulate, if that makes sense.
You can only ever have a maximum of 105% of the TPP to spend in any one year.

Reference the link you provided. But scroll down to paragraph 13 (f) and (g).
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf

Assuming that we paid 95%for this year and last year we can overspend to 105%for 2018 and 2019?

But that 105% becomes 105% of the new salary cap?



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