Unsolved The Family Murders

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed?
LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy

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[Incensecone]

I don’t know how darko and Alan met and they only knew each other for a short time . Alan stop working on the coke truck just before he meet darko and I don’t think Alan was targeted by Bve but once bve had him I do believe Alan would have said that he knew who he was .

Alan would go to the Peter Jackson hotel a lot as he looked a lot older than he was and had picked up a lot of girls from there .

Alan was good with the girls and that is why darko took him to Adelaide the night the car was defected . They had 2 girls in the car that night going by darko . The reason for me stating this is that b said they picked up Alan in north Adelaide not on grand junction rd .

Could Alan have left darko after the car was defected???
Could Alan been picked up the night before he was seen on grand junction road???
Could darko have even set Alan up from his place or somewhere else???

One thing I want to make clear is that Alan would not have gone to a gay bar . He would have walked out the minute he knew he was in one . So could darko have taken Alan to a gay bar and Alan left ??? Then been pick up in north Adelaide hitching a lift home a week before b said he was .

Remember this Alan was well known and people recognised him easy and for that week Alan was gone out side of someone saying he was at Elizabeth which is questionable . ( he would have come home if he was that close to home ) .

The only person who seen him on grand junction road was Darkos mate like you said so the whole thing stinks to high heaven to me .

There are 6 degrees of separation in the world and only 2 in Adelaide . So was darko involved with one of bves ped crow ??? Could well be and for Alan to tell darko to turn back after such a short time of hitching a lift is every questionable .

I would like to make this clear too . We ( my family are 3 gen Aussies ) same pod casts have us as English .

Alan was a very good looking lad and that is why he was targeted by bve and I believe he was killed because he recognised him from the coke days !

Why was darko hanging out in Salisbury I don’t know but he was not there every weekend nor was he there that much . Alan and darko were not close mates , Alan was at loose ends that weekend and darko asked him if he wanted to go to a party . That is why Alan was with darko that weekend!!!



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In those times, we wouldn't have known we were in a gay bar

 

[Incensecone]

Something I picked up from Debi's book.
BVE's father died of bowel cancer.There were obvious difficulties with bowel movements, changing colostomy bags etc.
The cut on Mark was exactly where a colostomy would be performed.
This has been sent to a forensic psychologist.

 

[Dell43]

Mark lived in the general area, so did Roger James. Mark worked after school at the petrol station

Why the reference to Roger James?

 

[Kurve]

Hi John Barnes if you're around I have a quick question. Did you ever see what forensic evidence such as fibres and hair was collected from Alan?


Thanks in advance.

 

[Kurve]

The surveillance was very spotted (on and off) and only notes were taken no devices used . The way I got on to it was t read same notes in one of the cars at the time and seen browns name


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Just going back through the thread and snagged on this. BVE didn't find out about the surveillance for ten years after someone discovered them going through old files.

You're saying the surveillance files were there the whole time sitting in someone's car, someone who was there when the matters over Alan's death were being heard?

 

[Incensecone]

yeah to be honest I found it a little off putting that Debi was more than happy to track down and knock on the doors of the lower socioeconomic families of the victims

Offensive! One victim was from a very well known family, nothing to do with TV

 

[John Barnes]

Hi John Barnes if you're around I have a quick question. Did you ever see what forensic evidence such as fibres and hair was collected from Alan?


Thanks in advance.

I did not see the file but do know there was same fibres found with Alan . That is why they did a dna tests on us and the killers.


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[John Barnes]

Oh, really? So maybe this was a recording of one of his police interviews? What was your impression of him/his voice?

I am sure there are recordings/videos in police archives, but they probably wouldn't share them though....

I think it would have been the charges on mark and Alan being read out to him by TK and his reply. That’s the only recording I can remember of bve


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[John Barnes]

As I said previously, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Here I will list the key flaws, lapses etc in SAPOL investigation of these murders.

The bodies were found from 24th June 1979 and the fifth and last body on 24th July 1983. A span of 4 years.

4 had horrific injuries with clear signs of torture, abuse and confinement lasting up to 5 weeks. The skeletal remains of one victim bore marks to reasonably indicate a similar experience and outcome. The similarities from drugs found in their system, fatal injuries, bodies cleaned etc are not coincidental.

• Of the 5 murders, only 1 case was classified as a major crime, that of the 5th victim. It was done slightly over 48 hours after the missing person report was lodged. Classifying a case as major crime immediately allows SAPOL to throw in resources and bring in experts internally and externally that are many times over what a normal murder investigation has. I did mention before that victim's father profile played a part in it but the man himself is as humble as they come. Even helicopters were brought into the investigation. Till this day I cannot fathom after the finding of the 4th victim and horrific similarities in pattern, it was never escalated to the desired level.
• The second point is highly contentious as there are 2 versions. 2 days after discovery of the 1st victim, SAPOL was contacted and BVE's name provided as the person behind the murder. First version is a phone call to the Police and the second is that person which later turned out to be Mr B walked into Angas St SAPOL HQ to name BVE. What I know is that the officer that he was referred to was Detective Roger Fappe of Major Crime. This was directly related to the body found 2 days before. The committal records does indicate Fappe. So it was information from a person who identified himself. Not from an anonymous source or a source that could not be identified or traced.
  • Nothing was done until 68 days later. BVE was then interviewed by Detectives Rod Hunter and Anderson at his Unit on 2nd September 1979. The answers that BVE gave was not verified such as car ownership etc. Verification would have a provided a material link as the car details was given by B.
  • Even more remarkable and possibly the worst case of investigative negligence was that Mr B gave the information that BVE was responsible. Yet Mr B was not spoken to again until 4 years, 4 months and 6 days later by Detective O'Brien at the Norfolk Hotel, Rundle Mall.
    • This is important - Mr B's information was given 2 days after the 1st victim's body (Barnes) was found. Mr B was spoken to again after 5th victim was murdered. Nothing in between.
    • Mr B became the star witness for the 5th victim's murder trial.

Just on the above lapses, a public inquiry should have been held. Could the 4 innocent and young lives be spared if the normal and routine investigation was done properly. That is a possibility that cannot be ruled out.

This is what I keep saying about the cops investigation and every time I talk to them I hold up 4 fingers.


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[John Barnes]

Just going back through the thread and snagged on this. BVE didn't find out about the surveillance for ten years after someone discovered them going through old files.

You're saying the surveillance files were there the whole time sitting in someone's car, someone who was there when the matters over Alan's death were being heard?

There were names and addresses in the file I seen in the police car . They ( the police) were doing surveillance on the names they had but it was on and off not full surveillance. The cops didn’t know I had seen the file with the names . That file would have been old at the time I seen it . That was in 1989 when I seen it.


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[Dell43]

There were names and addresses in the file I seen in the police car . They ( the police) were doing surveillance on the names they had but it was on and off not full surveillance. The cops didn’t know I had seen the file with the names . That file would have been old at the time I seen it . That was in 1989 when I seen it.


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Not sure how good your memory is Charlie, but was there a guy by the name of Gibbon’s on the surveillance list?

 

[John Barnes]

Not sure how good your memory is Charlie, but was there a guy by the name of Gibbon’s on the surveillance list?

Same of the names where brown , dr , stdennis , Mulhouse and 3 more . The other 3 I don’t remember sorry bve name was there too but at His moms address. Brown was at the top of the list and that is what made me think he was the top suspect outside of b , dr , and bve . Gibbons could have been one of the other names but I could not tell you for sure. Brown was one of the names at that time I didn’t have and him name up top really made me take notes . Remember I was doing this with out the cops knowing and had to acted fast . I have reading problems and a slow writer so I took what I could down as quickly as possible.


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[FAPope]

GIBBONS ? - GIBBONS Made three calls to Police on the Kelvin case. Charged with providing false information.

 

[SquiffyRae]

I notice a certain antiques business has Google reviews over 6 months old that are clearly people taking the mickey and haven't been removed.

DR has been quite slow to react in the past year or so considering his history of getting that stuff taken down quickly

 

[Mark W76]

I notice a certain antiques business has Google reviews over 6 months old that are clearly people taking the mickey and haven't been removed.

DR has been quite slow to react in the past year or so considering his history of getting that stuff taken down quickly

I like the one about the "family" business since 1979!

 

[FAPope]

I like the one about the "family" business since 1979!

It makes more sense if one goes to page 32 of this forum?

 

[metic]

It makes more sense if one goes to page 32 of this forum?

can you please tell the post number?
i dont see page numbers sorry, just post number

those in the know;
how do I find the Google reviews please?

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[DropBearess]

can you please tell the post number?
i dont see page numbers sorry, just post number

those in the know;
how do I find the Google reviews please?

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Just google his name and a clock business will appear.

 

[SquiffyRae]

(His name) Clock Gallery is the business

 

[PoppedCorn]

can you please tell the post number?
i dont see page numbers sorry, just post number

those in the know;
how do I find the Google reviews please?

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Click on the 3 dots next to the post number after the last post in the thread
Then when the box appears type the page number u want

 

[Wooden Robot]

(His name) Clock Gallery is the business

He's seriously dropped the ball.
Perhaps a sign all is not well with him.

 

[SquiffyRae]

He's seriously dropped the ball.
Perhaps a sign all is not well with him.

I did wonder that. He's in his 70s and this year we've had COVID and a bunch of other nasty bugs going around.

Thing is he's been so secretive and has very little online presence for his business it's difficult to keep an eye on him. He still has consistent business hours listed but I've also heard in recent times he's operated more on an appointment-only basis (i.e. he'll open the store for you to bring in something for him to repair) but not really opening it full-time.

Haven't heard at all whether he has any succession plans r.e. training someone younger to take over his business. Dunno exactly how in demand his supposed specialist skills in clock maintenance are these days

 

[Wooden Robot]

I did wonder that. He's in his 70s and this year we've had COVID and a bunch of other nasty bugs going around.

Thing is he's been so secretive and has very little online presence for his business it's difficult to keep an eye on him. He still has consistent business hours listed but I've also heard in recent times he's operated more on an appointment-only basis (i.e. he'll open the store for you to bring in something for him to repair) but not really opening it full-time.

Haven't heard at all whether he has any succession plans r.e. training someone younger to take over his business. Dunno exactly how in demand his supposed specialist skills in clock maintenance are these days

Can't remember the last time I looked at a clock other than on my iPhone.

 

[SquiffyRae]

That being said one of those reviews is a 5 star one from 2 months ago that appears genuine.

"Excellent service, particularly knowledgeable, knows clocks back to front and sideways."

That's DR to a T from what's been said about him as a clock tinkerer

 

[Macca180]

I did wonder that. He's in his 70s and this year we've had COVID and a bunch of other nasty bugs going around.

Thing is he's been so secretive and has very little online presence for his business it's difficult to keep an eye on him. He still has consistent business hours listed but I've also heard in recent times he's operated more on an appointment-only basis (i.e. he'll open the store for you to bring in something for him to repair) but not really opening it full-time.

Haven't heard at all whether he has any succession plans r.e. training someone younger to take over his business. Dunno exactly how in demand his supposed specialist skills in clock maintenance are these days

agree. not sure how you make any money from this shop.