Unsolved The Family Murders

[Kurve]

The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed?
LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy

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[AdelaideGT]

This image has resurfaced on a Family Murders page, the first time I saw it was on Rachel Vaughan's (McIntyre) page. Some believe the man in the glasses is Von Einem.

So... no facts... some old photo from the 60s/70s, some random guesses and a bunch of internet Miss Marples on the case?

Cool - all these murders should be solved soon...

 

[Kurve]

So... no facts... some old photo from the 60s/70s, some random guesses and a bunch of internet Miss Marples on the case?

Cool - all these murders should be solved soon...

Yep, it's got some push behind it now though and getting around. His torso looks a bit weird, like it's been photoshopped but I'm not real sure.

 

[Zebo]

The following is "Rumour and Innuendo from the Internet. It may not be factual". Yes. 59 Prince St. Alberton has a link to so many of the names mentioned on this forum. It was owned by a western suburbs doctor and a much younger chef from June 1977 to August 1984. They rented it out. Correct me here but I believe it was opposite the railway line therefore no neighbours across the road to see what went on. It is thought that Lewis Turtur lived there from 1982 to 1985. Also Pru Firman probably lived there between 1982 and 1984 with fellow post op Kerry W. This was a party house where many visited and stayed at different times. Pru and others were involved with luring young hitch hikers into BvE's car in exchange for mandrax and Serapax. BvE often brought these and other drugged youths back to the house where he would abuse them. Visitors and others in the house would later take their turn. It could be speculated/imagined that some of this also occurred at the house without BvE? One of the house occupants was investigated for one of these rapes and as a result provided crucial information to Police. This allowed the investigation to then be focused on BvE.

If I posted it, it isn't 'rumour and inuendo' unless I say it is. My information comes from government and media sources at the time and, wherever possible, I verify the information against other sources (and hope I only occasionally mess up). For example, news reports at the time often modified people's names, so they aren't correct, and electoral rolls often don't reflect where people actually lived at the time. So while Turtur was on the electoral roll at 59 Prince from 1982 to 85, he probably wasn't living there in 1985 given it was sold in 1984 to a development company and the new houses have a 1985 build date. This would align with the 'rumour' that he moved to Sydney after the BVE trial.

 

[FAPope]

If I posted it, it isn't 'rumour and inuendo' unless I say it is. My information comes from government and media sources at the time and, wherever possible, I verify the information against other sources (and hope I only occasionally mess up). For example, news reports at the time often modified people's names, so they aren't correct, and electoral rolls often don't reflect where people actually lived at the time. So while Turtur was on the electoral roll at 59 Prince from 1982 to 85, he probably wasn't living there in 1985 given it was sold in 1984 to a development company and the new houses have a 1985 build date. This would align with the 'rumour' that he moved to Sydney after the BVE trial.

Thankyou for the clarity. This Forum's information has become so vast that I do not reference the source for comments made on it. There was no blight on your meticulous research intended. I have an armchair/internet interest in these events only. As such, for my own use I have briefly indexed some names and dates and addresses as they come up. Predominantly to gain a broader understanding of these events in total.

 

[SturtTragic]

Gday I have put up here what I think happened.

Alan worked for a friend on the trucks delivering coke . BVE payed the account and Alan picked up the cheques . In same way BVE was connected or new the boys he kill besides Richard .
Alan coke truck
Mark lived down the road
Neil a prostitution
Peter BVEs brother
With Richard the press over his taking .
Yes I believe that there were 100s if not 1000s of young men taken over the time BVE and his group was at it .
There where a same of the gay community at that time involved in picking up young boys and drugging them . Same in the gay community kept scores and that is noted by police .

Dunston was known to have been involved in rape of young boys as pointed out in a friend of mine’s book and well known to same involved in the killings such as brown and such . Was he in on the killings NO .

In saying all this I do want to say that the whole of the gay community was NOT INVOLVED IN DOING THIS . Just same of them and the ones who where are the more higher class ones or drug adduces .

There where 4 to 5 groups of about 6 to 10 members picking up , drugging , rape and torturing young man at that time .

Hi John. I find the bit about BVEs brother very interesting. Is that the first time he's been mentioned in this thread? I've read a lot of the pages here, but not all, and haven't seen him mentioned yet. Does anyone know how many brothers BVE had?

The reason I ask is because BVE's brother (can't recall his first name) was a woodwork teacher at the school I went to. He and his sidekick, Tony Groves (of Adelaide Grand Prix fame where I think he was a trackside announcer), were both very nasty pieces of work. I remember as a 7-8 year old pretending I had a stomach ache to avoid their class. But it was the 80s, so I guess it wasn't unusual.

I do remember one day being shocked when a kid in our class brought him to tears by mentioning broken bottles and kids' backsides etc. This was early 80s, post arrest. I'm not sure if BVE had been convicted yet, so 1983-85.

 

[John Barnes]

Richard's parents, Mr. and Mrs. Kelvin didn't attend the trial at all, did they?

South Australia Family Murders reports: Von Einem is Kelvin killer – jury decides after 7.5 hours - 6 November 1984

Betty Anne did .


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[Kurve]

Kelvin

Thanks, this article says there were traces of red or white meat in Kelvin's stomach with apple and traces of cornstach.

That's not inconsistent with what Kelvin was offered for lunch the same day at his Mr. Kelvin's sister in law's house, which was chicken, chips and cake - possibly apple cake.

 

[Kurve]

As to where the freezer is, it was in Thora's garage, at Mr. R's, at Pipelines or at the farm???? where BVE took Thora for some sort of a party before Richard was left in the scrub.

If it was at a farm, that freezer is probably sitting in a small landfill pit somewhere on the property. Lots of farms have them.

 

[Zebo]

As to where the freezer is, it was in Thora's garage, at Mr. R's, at Pipelines or at the farm???? where BVE took Thora for some sort of a party before Richard was left in the scrub.

If it was at a farm, that freezer is probably sitting in a small landfill pit somewhere on the property. Lots of farms have them.

Wasn't the party the one on July 10 at BVE's second cousin's house in Tusmore?

 

[Zebo]

Hi John. I find the bit about BVEs brother very interesting. Is that the first time he's been mentioned in this thread? I've read a lot of the pages here, but not all, and haven't seen him mentioned yet. Does anyone know how many brothers BVE had?

The reason I ask is because BVE's brother (can't recall his first name) was a woodwork teacher at the school I went to. He and his sidekick, Tony Groves (of Adelaide Grand Prix fame where I think he was a trackside announcer), were both very nasty pieces of work. I remember as a 7-8 year old pretending I had a stomach ache to avoid their class. But it was the 80s, so I guess it wasn't unusual.

I do remember one day being shocked when a kid in our class brought him to tears by mentioning broken bottles and kids' backsides etc. This was early 80s, post arrest. I'm not sure if BVE had been convicted yet, so 1983-85.

Bevan has two brothers. Which school were you at?

 

[Kurve]

Wasn't the party the one on July 10 at BVE's second cousin's house in Tusmore?

Not sure but I recall something about a farm or a big property?

 

[DropBearess]

Thanks, this article says there were traces of red or white meat in Kelvin's stomach with apple and traces of cornstach.

That's not inconsistent with what Kelvin was offered for lunch the same day at his Mr. Kelvin's sister in law's house, which was chicken, chips and cake - possibly apple cake.

I didn't know Richard had a sister in law. Do you have a link to the article please? I think you're on the right track referring to freezers though. Maybe Dennis St Dennis had one too, given their evil cahoots with their sinister photos.

 

[Kurve]

I didn't know Richard had a sister in law. Do you have a link to the article please? I think you're on the right track referring to freezers though. Maybe Dennis St Dennis had one too, given their evil cahoots with their sinister photos.

My bad, it was Mr. Kelvin's sister in law they visited so it would be Richard's aunt.

 

[Kurve]

I didn't know Richard had a sister in law. Do you have a link to the article please? I think you're on the right track referring to freezers though. Maybe Dennis St Dennis had one too, given their evil cahoots with their sinister photos.

It's still an unsolved case so the police could be dragging out every photo they took at every house search/raid they conducted through their investigations to see if they have an image of a freezer. imo.

May as well for the chance to nail a possible accomplice because I don't think the case as it stands, is going anywhere.

 

[Kurve]

Just looking at the map of where Neil Muir's remains were found, supplied by Dell43

Anybody know if that area Neil was found in was popular for crabbing? I'm thinking about the case against Dr. Millhouse where 'surgical skill' and 'intricate hand surgery' was heavily promoted by the prosecution.

It might be BS in that there was no intricate hand surgery at all.

The identifiers, such as tattoo skin flaps and hands which are handy for fingerprinting, were apparently strung together on a line, possibly with the hope that crabs or other sea critters would move in on it. Maybe they did.

Crabs can be quite efficient, meat eating scavengers.

 

[Kurve]

Blue Swimmers Crabs are the largest recreationally targeted crab in South Australia. Total length from claw-to-claw can exceed 80cm with any crab claw-to-claw length over 70cm considered big.

There's also sand crabs which are pretty big.

They might be the culprit for some of Neil's 'surgery'.

 

[TT440]

Hi John. I find the bit about BVEs brother very interesting. Is that the first time he's been mentioned in this thread? I've read a lot of the pages here, but not all, and haven't seen him mentioned yet. Does anyone know how many brothers BVE had?

The reason I ask is because BVE's brother (can't recall his first name) was a woodwork teacher at the school I went to. He and his sidekick, Tony Groves (of Adelaide Grand Prix fame where I think he was a trackside announcer), were both very nasty pieces of work. I remember as a 7-8 year old pretending I had a stomach ache to avoid their class. But it was the 80s, so I guess it wasn't unusual.

I do remember one day being shocked when a kid in our class brought him to tears by mentioning broken bottles and kids' backsides etc. This was early 80s, post arrest. I'm not sure if BVE had been convicted yet, so 1983-85.

We went to the same school. 'Name on the board' Groves
I have brought this brother up earlier on in the thread. To be honest there were many nasty, vindictive teachers at that school and I personally copped a lot of abuse, both physical and mental from them, the likes of which would probably see them jailed now. I was there from 81-91

 

[TT440]

Bevan has two brothers. Which school were you at?

Pulteney Grammar School

 

[Kurve]

There would be a few in here familiar with the West Memphis 3 case where three young men were convicted of murdering three boys who were found after being thrown in to a creek naked, with their hands and feet tied together with shoelaces.

They were in the creek for approximately the same amount of time Neil Muir's body parts were in the water. The three accused were convicted in a fervor of 'Satanic Panic' when they were prosecuted as practising satanists and the damage done to the boys bodies by feasting turtles and scavenging critters in the creek was presented as the boys having been mutilated and more specifically sodomized and castrated.

Sound familiar?

There's a video in here of what happens to a pig carcass when it's thrown in to the sea. You can see the crabs moved in fast, pulling flesh away, leaving the bones.

What Happens to a Dead Body in the Ocean?

Scientists dropped dead pigs into the ocean to understand how sea creatures scavenged them.

www.livescience.com

The era of satanic panic may not be dissimilar to that of anti trans/gay hysteria that played so heavily through this series of murders.

 

[Gough]

Pulteney Grammar School

I had a few mates who would have been at Pulteney when you were there and they said you mentioned his brother on pain of death.

 

[Zebo]

We went to the same school. 'Name on the board' Groves
I have brought this brother up earlier on in the thread. To be honest there were many nasty, vindictive teachers at that school and I personally copped a lot of abuse, both physical and mental from them, the likes of which would probably see them jailed now. I was there from 81-91

Bevan's dad was a nasty piece of work. Hereditary?

 

[Zebo]

Pulteney Grammar School

Do you know if Lyall VE was working there in 1980?

 

[DropBearess]

Just looking at the map of where Neil Muir's remains were found, supplied by Dell43

Anybody know if that area Neil was found in was popular for crabbing? I'm thinking about the case against Dr. Millhouse where 'surgical skill' and 'intricate hand surgery' was heavily promoted by the prosecution.

It might be BS in that there was no intricate hand surgery at all.

The identifiers, such as tattoo skin flaps and hands which are handy for fingerprinting, were apparently strung together on a line, possibly with the hope that crabs or other sea critters would move in on it. Maybe they did.

Crabs can be quite efficient, meat eating scavengers.

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Definitely crabs there, both 'blueys' and sand crabs. It's good for fishing as well but it isn't the most popular spot due to the rocks. I think we only fished there once. Both types of crabs can be very aggressive when targeting food or being disturbed by humans. I've seen the latter and it isn't nice.

The stringing together of body parts was peculiar. I think it was fishing line for the identifiers and clothesline for head and torso? Surely there must have been some reason for bothering to do such a baffling thing. Why didn't they throw the identifiers in separately? The fish would've taken them almost immediately. I wonder how much of the bag was broken? Interesting PF's place is on the map. It's reminded me of some homework I was meant to do months ago, related to fishing and PF.

 

[Flog111]

Which farm is being referred to?

 

[Kurve]

Which farm is being referred to?

It may not be correct, I have to go back and find where I saw a reference BVE had connections to a farm.