The farce that is the AFL - let's make a list...

[blaisee]

What we should do is just not go to a game 1 week.

Pick a round, say round 5, 2013, and not go.

I am sure a week of the stadiums being empty will send the right message

Get the media on board and a facebook page, and unite the masses.

It will be a nightmare for the AFL.

The deliberate, strategic hand outs to these northern clubs, at thecost and to the detriment of the rest of the league is an absolute joke, they making decions on the run and they should be held acoountable.

Who is with me !

 

[Father Jack]

What we should do is just not go to a game 1 week.

Pick a round, say round 5, 2013, and not go.

I am sure a week of the stadiums being empty will send the right message

Get the media on board and a facebook page, and unite the masses.

It will be a nightmare for the AFL.

The deliberate, strategic hand outs to these northern clubs, at thecost and to the detriment of the rest of the league is an absolute joke, they making decions on the run and they should be held acoountable.

Who is with me !

No one. Despite all the whingeing you might hear from a few squealing egotists, people quite like the footy, and accept that it ain't perfect and never will be.

 

[MrKK]

AFL executives rig the fixture to maximise attendance and ratings figures and then pay themselves performance bonuses for hitting the targets.

This has to be number 1. Every single interview with any of the holy trinity (Vlad, AA, Gilligan) should start with asking them to justify this situation and why revenues and personal bonuses are more important than an equitable fixture for the sport's elite competition. Obviously this won't happen as the media are just as amateur/ignorant/corrupt as those running the game.

 

[Mr Magic]

What we should do is just not go to a game 1 week.

Pick a round, say round 5, 2013, and not go.

I am sure a week of the stadiums being empty will send the right message

Get the media on board and a facebook page, and unite the masses.

It will be a nightmare for the AFL.

The deliberate, strategic hand outs to these northern clubs, at thecost and to the detriment of the rest of the league is an absolute joke, they making decions on the run and they should be held acoountable.

Who is with me !

just stay at home and watch on tv, lose little

 

[legend166]

Completely agree, this rule is an utter shocker, total communism in its finest and nothing to do with true and fair competition or free markets or even free choice for clubs to be independent

This is the number one BS rule for mine!!!


At the end of the day this rule signifies the clubs are merely bitches to the higher powers at be

By the 'higher powers' you mean the AFLPA? They are the ones who push for a minimum TPP, not the AFL.

 

[mcgarnacle]

I got to thinking about this topic when I pondered how it could possibly be that we are now in a trading period in which many of the draft picks being mooted as bait aren't even known yet (and are determined by the AFL on some sort of 'formula' not made public).

.........

*AFL deciding compensation picks on a formula nobody but them knows. I mean, really.

So many, but the compo pick formula being secret is insane, almost incomprehensible.

this has been a complaint of many on these forums and elsewhere.

what AFL fans need to know is this: the AFL has practically ripped off all of its recruiting concepts from the NFL. it then amends the implementation in a manner to suit its objectives.

Folks also need to remember this: the AFL is a governing body and competition administrator. It uses one to achieve the objectives of the other and vice versa. In contrast, most high profile OS leagues are run by separate organisations purely as competitions.

As Greennick mentioned in another post in this thread which I can't quote, the NFL also has a proprietary formula for determining its compensatory pick allocation. But you can't just stop there, buddy. Aspects of the NFL system are different.

This is the NFL's system
- 32 compo picks are always awarded each and every year (a hypothetical 8th rd dispersed throughout the draft);
- compo picks are awarded to a team if it has lost more players than it has gained in the FA period of the prior year, and based on the net loss of players (to a maximum of 4);
- compo picks are awarded at the end of NFL draft rounds 3 to 7 to a player's old team based on the NFL's proprietary formula using the inputs of the player's salary, playing time, etc, with his new team;
- compo picks can be awarded to a team that has lossed and gained the same number of players in FA, but the value of the loss is greater than the gain. These picks are only awarded at the end of Rd 7 and after the teams that have suffered a net loss of players in FA.
- if fewer than 32 comp picks are awarded for FA losses, the remaining picks are awarded to teams according to that year's draft order as a hypothetical 8th round, even though they have not suffered any FA loss. this is a supplemental compo pick and practically a freebie for the lower performing clubs. in the NFL players that aren't selected in the draft can be signed as an undrafted FA;
- compo picks cannot be traded.

so in comparison with the AFL, there are some significant differences between the two models.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-free-agency-how-it-works-20121001-26ue3.html

the biggest **** up with the AFL model is that compo picks can be traded but clubs cannot use them as currency from the beginning of the trade period. this gives rival teams the opportunity to out deal them before the compo pick becomes live. in these circumstances, a secretive formula is detrimental to the model. even though the AFL give an indication of which band the compo pick may end up, it's not definitive.

 

[MrKK]

The constant doublespeak that comes out of AFL House regarding rules and the arrogant belief that the fans are dumb enough to swallow the bullshit.
E.g. "the head is sacrosanct" vs "except when going for a speccy, then you're free to knee an opponent in the head".
E.g. simultaneously trying to speed up and slow down the game via rule changes/interpretations.

 

[Cmarsh]

The deliberate, strategic hand outs to these northern clubs, at thecost and to the detriment of the rest of the league is an absolute joke, they making decions on the run and they should be held acoountable.

How can you say they are being strategic and making decisions on the run at the same time?

 

[Mr Magic]

By the 'higher powers' you mean the AFLPA? They are the ones who push for a minimum TPP, not the AFL.

BS, the minimum TPP reduces players wages, no doubt it was pushed by unions, the left and the emperors of control. The AFLPA probably had little to do with it and I wasn't referring to them

TPP actually reduces the players welfare and reduces their choice. For example , if the TPP was not so high why pay Scully as much, players that wouldn't get an opportunity do because they can play for cheaper values and potentially earn more later while the better players can earn what they are entitled to .

But no the players, like the public are the bitches of the social controllers and manipulators

 

[Testekill]

Not forcing Melbourne to use their next available pick after the lowest bid to make their father son selection.

That is something that bugged me. Shouldn't they have been forced to use pick 13?

 

[blaisee]

How can you say they are being strategic and making decisions on the run at the same time?

the goal is to subsidise and the new clubs and give them every advantage possible, that is the strategy.

Rules are made on the run to ensure that strategy is upheld.

Trading of mini draft picks for picks an example

 

[Mr Magic]

It is a game of musical chairs with the objective being to pick the right chair or you will lose and make sure the chair is obedient

 

[Ktrain]

That is something that bugged me. Shouldn't they have been forced to use pick 13?

You would've thought so, since I essentially paraphrased the rule. But the AFL said compensation picks don't count in determining next available.

But that same pick that 'doesn't count' will be used to take a very good player and can even be on traded - so clearly it does count...

 

[Silent Alarm]

Pretty sure the Giants and Gold Coast will fuark up their picks. No club is godlike in their usage of the system, and I doubt these two brand new entities will be. Half the players will be 200 gamers, and three or so will be B+/A graders. Mleeeegh.

 

[Father Jack]

The constant doublespeak that comes out of AFL House regarding rules and the arrogant belief that the fans are dumb enough to swallow the bullshit.
E.g. "the head is sacrosanct" vs "except when going for a speccy, then you're free to knee an opponent in the head".
E.g. simultaneously trying to speed up and slow down the game via rule changes/interpretations.

Never ceases to amaze me how many people get this wrong, they 'speed the game up' (by quick kick-ins for example) in order to give players less time to rest with the intention 'to slow the game down' by limiting players ability to run at full tilt for as much of the game as they used to. Once teams subsequently started using the interchange as a rest stop for running players then this had to be limited as well, once again to slow players down. They never simultaneously tried to do opposite things, the game was intended to be sped up in order to slow the players down, or limit their ability to run at full speed for as long, to reduce flooding and impact injuries. It's a bit too subtle for the majority of Bigfooty to understand perhaps.

 

[Engimal]

You can put a knee in the back of a head of a bloke and knock him out cold but as long as you are taking a speccy, that's fine. Just don't touch brush his shoulder or touch his back to get a feel of where he is.

Bingo.

 

[typeclub]

*AFL dictating rather than adjudicating
*Still trying to figure out HD when the rest of the world has moved on to 3D
*No promotion/relegation system
*Overall revenue when compared to other sports leagues revenue.


"AFL Key highlights of 2010
» AFL revenue increased to $336 million.
» A record operating profit of $230 million." Not even on par with European football clubs revenue. If the AFL was a single club it wouldn't make the top 10 Football Clubs in Europe. See 'Deloitte Football Money League'.


*T.V rights deal compared to other leagues in the world
*7's broadcasting of the game
*The state of confusion over video technology and the way it is enforced

 

[MrKK]

Never ceases to amaze me how many people get this wrong, they 'speed the game up' (by quick kick-ins for example) in order to give players less time to rest with the intention 'to slow the game down' by limiting players ability to run at full tilt for as much of the game as they used to. Once teams subsequently started using the interchange as a rest stop for running players then this had to be limited as well, once again to slow players down. They never simultaneously tried to do opposite things, the game was intended to be sped up in order to slow the players down, or limit their ability to run at full speed for as long, to reduce flooding and impact injuries. It's a bit too subtle for the majority of Bigfooty to understand perhaps.

The AFL may now claim that quick kick-ins, stricter deliberate OOBs interpretations etc were meant to fatigue the players, but at the time they were introduced it was to make the game a better spectacle with near-continuous motion and fewer stoppages. There is nothing subtle about their rule changes - they are usually knee-jerk reactions, ill-thought and result in unintended consequences that they then try and combat with more rule changes.

 

[themidlandmaster]

Not to mention GWS trying to arrange a trade so that they'd get a mini-draft pick back. Absolute farce that.

even though the rules specifically state they don't have access to those players

 

[Dont be a lemon]

To those of you pumping up the 'pre-expansion' days: Did you enjoy seeing **** all games on TV?

BS, the minimum TPP reduces players wages, no doubt it was pushed by unions, the left and the emperors of control. The AFLPA probably had little to do with it and I wasn't referring to them

Bullshit.

 

[Bouvet_Island]

* Having a team called the "Western Bulldogs" when there are 4 teams located further west.
* Drawn grand final gets replayed, but if the replay is a draw then extra time is played.

 

[iameviljez]

*No promotion/relegation system

Have to say I would never like to see a promotion/relegation system implemented in the AFL. It may well be different if you have a particular attachment to a SANFL/WAFL club, but in the finish it will wind up with an EPL-style system where the big clubs dominate because they never drop a tier, and clubs like the Dogs and the Dees scrabble just to make the finals every year.

 

[iameviljez]

*Grand Final always in Melbourne. Whether or not there are good arguments for it, the idea that the biggest game of the season should always be played at a ground that is home to just a small handful of clubs is pretty silly.

*Prelim finals played on different days. Maybe the extra day's rest had nothing to do with Sydney getting up in a thriller (although it played a part in this punter's decision to back the Swans - win) but why should the possibility even be allowed? It is entirely unnecessary to schedule such a disparity.

Not to mention the agreement that one of the PFs must be played at the MCG. Had we gotten up over Brisbane in 2004 it would have been ridiculous.

 

[Tiger2709]

This is f'n ridiculous. No other interstate team ever have been gifted a team like this. Freo fans should be really pissed off.

There's wanting to grow the game and then there's spitting on the clubs who helped establish it.

Possibly Brisbane that got the pick of a whole team and the salary cap to fit them all in, but yeah Freo has been royally screwed in the compensatory side of things, it will make there first flag more valid in my mind than many of the other franchises that have had ridiculous amounts of assistance.

 

[Dont be a lemon]

Have to say I would never like to see a promotion/relegation system implemented in the AFL.

The AFL has enough trouble keeping the 18 clubs above board. Yet some think adding a new division of far less supported clubs is a great idea...