The 'Go Home 5' Post-Mortem

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He plays wide. By its nature, that role will always be seen to be a bit soft but he's got to keep that width to perform his job. While he'll never play inside like a Black or Voss type, I don't think he shies away from contact.

Last night, when the heat was on, very few of the wide running players made an impact. It was guys like Fyfe, Barlow, Wines and Boak who were getting their hands on the footy and just trying to get it forward.
 
I think in the last 2 drafts we've taken really competitive types, all good footballers and not necessarily explosive athletes but guys that will rise to the top late in games. Polec is a finisher and definitely an outside mid would have been good to have him but if he was still with us we might not have seen what he has shown with Port.

Might end up being a win win for both parties, and Port were pretty easy to deal with in the end.
 

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Judge said:
I'd love a player with Polec's qualities, and ability, on our list, he's a beautiful user/kick of the footy and provides some great run.

Just not Polec himself - can't stand looking at his stupid, punchable face.

He always remind me of Beavis from Beavis and Butthead, which is not a great look....
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Fairly certain he's Walker #42 in season 5 of The Walking Dead.
 
TheBrownDog said:
Had a touch of the chipscab about it though. Was nowhere to be seen when that game was on the line.
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Still best 22 in a top 4 team. He is worn out with having only 1 decent preseason and the game style that Port implement. His first half of the season was huge for a chipscab. Another preseason under his belt and he will last 3/4 of a season before tiring.
 
Polec could gave a good career at Port and good luck to him, whether we like it or not he was never going to be any good in Qld, some players just get a homesickness that can't be fixed, nothing against the player, it happens.

In saying that, I haven't seen Polec do anything this year which makes me think he was a bad loss, I can't think of a time when he has made a good play and I have looked at the scoreboard and Port are not got the game in hand.
 
Polec is going to be good, it his first full year of footy and his already doing some nice things. The more i think about it the more i think the SA clubs told him to lay low for his last year with us so they could pick him up cheap. If he had of displayed what he has done this year his worth would have gone up a few spots in that trade. Funny how his injuries seem to have all but disappeared this year too ;).
 
This years trade period with several Victorian clubs having at least a few footballers wanting out has reinforced that last years trade period real wasn't that bad for us.

Player movements are clearly on the rise and I don't think that clubs having half a dozen players requesting trades will be all than uncommon.
 
Spazzallo said:
I love that despite Collingwood having 19 players on their injury list, Karnesis still couldn't crack a game this season :). Better luck next year.
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Collingwood VFL watchers are actually quite optimistic about Karnezis. Came into the club injured and hadn't built up the tank to be an automatic selection by the time he started showing quite a bit in the VFL. Unfortunately, injured just as it seemed his debut was inevitable. With a full preseason, should surprise many in 2015.
 
motr said:
Collingwood VFL watchers are actually quite optimistic about Karnezis. Came into the club injured and hadn't built up the tank to be an automatic selection by the time he started showing quite a bit in the VFL. Unfortunately, injured just as it seemed his debut was inevitable. With a full preseason, should surprise many in 2015.
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Yeah PK is a serious talent, head screwed on and body right he will be a jet. You guys got the better end of that deal by about 10x.
 

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I can't see Polec becoming that $5-600k a year player unlike Wines. He'll be solid... but never reach elite like Hanley or Rocky. He's more like a Redden to me... Solid without being overly elite.
 
Kojihama said:
I can't see Polec becoming that $5-600k a year player unlike Wines. He'll be solid... but never reach elite like Hanley or Rocky. He's more like a Redden to me... Solid without being overly elite.
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Polec is lots of things, but solid isn't one I'd be throwing out there.

I think he's a late maturer - basically stayed 17 till he was 21 -- but penny seems to have dropped. He certainly lacks the hardness of a Fyfe or the explosiveness of Danger, but I reckon most of the other bits are there to be a, say, Shaun Burgoyne level player on current development.

I don't like pumping him up, and I'd like to smack his face, but I reckon he'll be on $500k soon enough.
 
xplo said:
Polec is lots of things, but solid isn't one I'd be throwing out there.

I think he's a late maturer - basically stayed 17 till he was 21 -- but penny seems to have dropped. He certainly lacks the hardness of a Fyfe or the explosiveness of Danger, but I reckon most of the other bits are there to be a, say, Shaun Burgoyne level player on current development.

I don't like pumping him up, and I'd like to smack his face, but I reckon he'll be on $500k soon enough.
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I'm pretty sure it was in the prelim but when the game was on the line there was a series of contested ball situations on the wing that went on for like 1-2 mins. I can't get the image out of my mind of Polec sitting there 3m outside of the pack while players were diving in and under to win the ball. Waves of players kept arriving after busting a gut to get there and threw themselves at the contest and Polec was still there on the outside waiting for the easy handball.

That passage of play alone highlighted why I'm glad we didn't play him and that he's gone. Sure he's skilful, sure he makes good decisions in time and space but his game is just so outside that come finals and GFs where games are won through individual brilliance and sacrifice Polec will still be there on the outside of the pack looking for the cheapy and watching the opposition extract the ball.

His game doesn't and don't think ever will stand up to finals pressure, it relies on his teammates carrying too much of the load inside and on defence and in H/A you get away with that, in the finals you don't. Just my opinion.
 
neg99 said:
I'm pretty sure it was in the prelim but when the game was on the line there was a series of contested ball situations on the wing that went on for like 1-2 mins. I can't get the image out of my mind of Polec sitting there 3m outside of the pack while players were diving in and under to win the ball. Waves of players kept arriving after busting a gut to get there and threw themselves at the contest and Polec was still there on the outside waiting for the easy handball.

That passage of play alone highlighted why I'm glad we didn't play him and that he's gone. Sure he's skilful, sure he makes good decisions in time and space but his game is just so outside that come finals and GFs where games are won through individual brilliance and sacrifice Polec will still be there on the outside of the pack looking for the cheapy and watching the opposition extract the ball.

His game doesn't and don't think ever will stand up to finals pressure, it relies on his teammates carrying too much of the load inside and on defence and in H/A you get away with that, in the finals you don't. Just my opinion.
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I've seen him not shy away from contact on multiple occasions though too. That sort of thing is hard to criticise when it might be his instruction to be an outside receiver if there are higher priority ball winners in the contest or close enough to arrive. One of the biggest problems with our structure is quite often we don't have someone on the outside to be an option for the easy handball because our players aren't 100% confident in our structures or their team mates ability to win the contested ball. As much as being a chip scab is maligned, it does take some real intelligence to be in the right spots time-after-time to be visible to receive the easy handballs.

The most some players are going to be in a two-on-one situation is a speed bump, if you do your part to allow better inside players to arrive to the contest sometimes it makes sense to keep your head and stay on the outside - especially if you are confident your team mates are going to get you the ball. Polec is never going to be a contested beast, but he does his job when he has to and in Port's structure they are focusing on making him a better player by using his strengths rather than holding him back because he has some weaknesses.
 
Caiphus said:
I've seen him not shy away from contact on multiple occasions though too. That sort of thing is hard to criticise when it might be his instruction to be an outside receiver if there are higher priority ball winners in the contest or close enough to arrive. One of the biggest problems with our structure is quite often we don't have someone on the outside to be an option for the easy handball because our players aren't 100% confident in our structures or their team mates ability to win the contested ball. As much as being a chip scab is maligned, it does take some real intelligence to be in the right spots time-after-time to be visible to receive the easy handballs.

The most some players are going to be in a two-on-one situation is a speed bump, if you do your part to allow better inside players to arrive to the contest sometimes it makes sense to keep your head and stay on the outside - especially if you are confident your team mates are going to get you the ball. Polec is never going to be a contested beast, but he does his job when he has to and in Port's structure they are focusing on making him a better player by using his strengths rather than holding him back because he has some weaknesses.
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I agree he doesn't shirk from contact otherwise I'd flat out call him soft. He's not soft but usually that contact is with ball in someone's hand, not when its loose. You can have the outside role all you like but when the chips are down and the ball is about to head the other way you have to make a call to get involved. I agree we don't know what his actual defined role is and what the coaches want from him but I'd argue he exhibited the same behaviour here and that's a large part of the reason he wasn't getting games. That behaviour is still going on which suggests a pattern to me.

Maybe Hinkley's perfectly happy with him playing like that and so be it but I'm 99% sure that's not what Voss wanted from him and Leppa wouldn't accept it either (all about versatility).

I'm also not saying he's a bad player or anything, I'm just glad we didn't gift him games and tbh glad we don't have him. I don't personally think the way he plays that role will hold up in finals (watch him kick the GF winning goal next year to spite me).
 
xplo said:
Polec is lots of things, but solid isn't one I'd be throwing out there.

I think he's a late maturer - basically stayed 17 till he was 21 -- but penny seems to have dropped. He certainly lacks the hardness of a Fyfe or the explosiveness of Danger, but I reckon most of the other bits are there to be a, say, Shaun Burgoyne level player on current development.

I don't like pumping him up, and I'd like to smack his face, but I reckon he'll be on $500k soon enough.
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I was just thinking about this today, exactly a year on... How do we look, does our list miss these players terribly, and how have we done with each trade?

1. Polec - As summarised above, showed he has some talent when given an actual opportunity, and while it's always useful to have more players with his type of run and skill, we have him more than covered. Hanley, Aish, Mayes (if he moves forward again)... and Robertson has some serious upside, I'm pretty bullish about his chances.

2. Yeo- Bit of an up-and-down year at Weagles, though I suspect running into Jarrod Witts and losing his teeth had something to do with it. I do miss him, (remember his part in Ash's "Magic on Grass" goal) but maybe others on the board didn't rate him as much as I. Our defence still has some work to do, with players like Harwood, Golby flattering to deceive, but McStay and Gardiner showing some ability. But then again, we got a guy named Lewy Taylor? Well... I believe the required words are "Rising" and "Star".

3. Docherty- had a pretty good season for Carlton IMO. Sadly Harwood didn't have a great season, but I am still optimistic he can make that spot his. Cutler has shown some flashes of talent this year.

4. Karnezis- well with Jackson Paine, we're probably at -1 all. Nothing to see here.

5. Longer- Seriously, couldn't beat out Tom Hickey (and practically Tom Lee as well by season's end)? Call it by fortune or by karmic design, Stef Martin comes from the clouds and saves his career with some proper form in the back half of the season. Wow. Further, at this point Trent West is a better backup ruckman to have than Longer. McStay still clearly a work in progress, but the sookiest of the GH5 got his just desserts by becoming second choice at the wooden spooners at Seaforth at the arse end of the ladder.

All in all, I'm not surprised that our list probably could do with Yeo (and perhaps Doc as well). But the other 3, we don't miss at all. Certainly it helps that we nailed our original picks, Aish and Gardiner. And I do believe I can genuinely say that without factoring in Beams + Bundy.

Upshot- our club certainly flopped a K 8 off suit and turned it into a straight! Gone from massive turmoil with the list, coach, AND board (ahem... Springwood), to an A+ trade week! This has made me better appreciate the enormity of the effort the club has gone to, to turn around the club's fortunes in just 12 months. Congratulations all around (which includes Kerr).

Here's hoping we nail our draft this year!! Soooo many decisions this time round ;)
 
motr said:
Collingwood VFL watchers are actually quite optimistic about Karnezis. Came into the club injured and hadn't built up the tank to be an automatic selection by the time he started showing quite a bit in the VFL. Unfortunately, injured just as it seemed his debut was inevitable. With a full preseason, should surprise many in 2015.
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Just not convinced about this bloke. No doubt he has talent.

Don't know if he has the required work ethic & determination to be a consistently good AFL player.

Just comes across as lazy & disinterested.

I hope that mum doesn't overfeed him as he may just bulk up too much.
 

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