Analysis The go home factor, equalisation, draftees requesting trades

[Underarm]

We were discussing this at work the other day and came up with the following:

All rookie contracts are three years long with first round draft picks having a club option of a fourth year

If a player is contracted and wants to move they can nominate the State they want to go to but not the team so their existing club can get the best deal for them that they can.

If a player is OOC they can nominate a club of their choice

All clubs get to nominate one OOC player per season as a franchise player and must pay them the average of top 5 players at their position for one year and then player becomes a UFA. A club that is in contention gets player for another year, player gets well compensated for that year and gets to move if they wish to whatever club they wish if so inclined without impediment

So what if Adelaide's offered Salary is half what Port Adelaide offer? Or length of deal is not suitable?

 

[hawkmang]

Why are first round picks playing at shit clubs the vast majority of players that get homesick… sounds like the same textbook as mental health issues when white “anti-inflammatory” powder videos get leaked.

 

[Obeanie1]

Its not illegal as its collectively bargained for by the players and the league. Do you think a draft would survive this long in America if it was illegal?

Why doesn't the NRL have a draft?

 

[Boxhead_31]

So what if Adelaide's offered Salary is half what Port Adelaide offer? Or length of deal is not suitable?

Rookie contracts would have set pay for round selections pay and conditions would be the same no matter the team. At end of contract player is able to move as an OOC player

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Why doesn't the NRL have a draft?

NRL rely on salary cap as their primary means of equalization. But it means that each year there can be huge turnover or player lists, and you don't really get the feel of supporting the same group of players. It takea some of the heart out of supporting a club imo.

 

[shintemaster]

I don't agree with the quotes or journos saying the draft is broken, I would make the following adjustments -

1. Adjust the first contract of first round draft picks for 3 years (to at least give clubs a bit more insurance as in the case of GWS with Boyd and now North with GWS)

2. If a player still under contract wants to return to another state, make it conditional they cannot nominate one specific club only, state only and in this instance the club who offers the leaving player's club the best and fair offer trade wise gets him (this doesn't apply to out of contract players)

Under my proposal, this gives smaller/struggling clubs and the likes of The Suns and GWS at least a bit more of a fighting chance to get better returns on their high investments.

I would have thought you could split the difference with your second option with relatively broad support. Something like:

Players are able to be traded whilst under contract without their approval - once they ask for a trade. If players don't want to take on this risk they don't sign longer term contracts - risk / reward. Essentially you can want out of your current contracted club but you are traded as they see fit. I'd think that traded players can only be traded on their existing contract years / $$$. This avoids the big issue of players being traded at will without their say so however if they decide their club is untenable they can request a trade - at that point if contracted it's up to the club who they trade to that will meet the salary / years.

Obviously draftee contracts they don't have much choice but I don't see a way around that without fundamentally dumping the draft system and rebuilding it. (BTW, not something I'm against. I've seen point / bidding based systems floated for the draft before and I think they're a worthwhile consideration.)

How do you compensate 1st round picks who cant renegotiate contracts in year 3 when every other draftee can?

You would need to increase their locked in salaries by a fair amount.

Agree. There are ways though. One is to tie match payments in more aggressively with their pay. Rules should be across the board though, no different rules for pick 1 or pick 51.

 

[Sphynx]

Why are first round picks playing at s**t clubs the vast majority of players that get homesick… sounds like the same textbook as mental health issues when white “anti-inflammatory” powder videos get leaked.

Noble even said on Trade Radio, North attempted to move his entire family over to Melbourne mid year.

Then uses home sickness' as an excuse

 

[iameviljez]

Noble even said on Trade Radio, North attempted to move his entire family over to Melbourne mid year.

Then uses home sickness' as an excuse

It’s not that easy to just move a whole family interstate

 

[Jack Richards]

And no I have no desire to mimic America. We don’t have the right to just send people across the country like that for entertainment for fifteen years. National draft at 18, sure, otherwise no.

But they sign up to a NATIONAL sport knowing that they could be drafted to one of 18 NATIONAL clubs.

If they don't want to risk going to another state, dont play at AFL level.

Quite simple. Stick to VFL or local league level.

 

[iameviljez]

But they sign up to a NATIONAL sport knowing that they could be drafted to one of 18 NATIONAL clubs.

If they don't want to risk going to another state, dont play at AFL level.

Quite simple. Stick to VFL or local league level.

At age 18, sure - and that’s worked pretty well in most cases. But getting traded all across the country against your wishes at, say, 28? No way. And there is no good reason for it that Incan see.

 

[2006_Eagles]

Noble even said on Trade Radio, North attempted to move his entire family over to Melbourne mid year.

Then uses home sickness' as an excuse

Uprooting the whole family seems like an easy thing to just do

 

[iameviljez]

Uprooting the whole family seems like an easy thing to just do

Yeah screw Mum and siblings’ jobs, friends, relationships etc…

 

[Pure_Ownage]

At age 18, sure - and that’s worked pretty well in most cases. But getting traded all across the country against your wishes at, say, 28? No way. And there is no good reason for it that Incan see.

To be fair most players at 28 will be free agents so that wouldnt happen a lot.

We are really talking about the 19-25yo age group when we are talking about no comsent trades (ie clubs trading the player). That said it wont happen because the aflpa wont go for it and the afl isnt prepared to challenge them.

 

[iameviljez]

To be fair most players at 28 will be free agents so that wouldnt happen a lot.

We are really talking about the 19-25yo age group when we are talking about no comsent trades (ie clubs trading the player). That said it wont happen because the aflpa wont go for it and the afl isnt prepared to challenge them.

Not in what the poster I was talking to was proposing unless I am mistaken?

 

[Thetrader15]

At age 18, sure - and that’s worked pretty well in most cases. But getting traded all across the country against your wishes at, say, 28? No way. And there is no good reason for it that Incan see.

Your $500k salary.

 

[iameviljez]

Your $500k salary.

Which they could draw at a club of their choosing, too.

It would not make the comp any better IMO.

 

[WillHayward]

View on Henry nominating Geelong?

Not like there is 9 other clubs in Victoria?

Bruhn nominating Geelong after 2 seasons?

Don't forget Taranto and Hopper to Richmond

 

[Superstar swan]

It's about time the afl looked to use the nba rookie contract system.

Bird right system

 

[bluespooner]

The best solution to this would be to give every club a zone as the AFL franchises currently get. The zones would be in AFL heartland so for argument sake Geelong would have the Geelong Falcons, Hawthorn would have the Eastern Ranges, etc., and the Western Australian clubs would divide the State in two and the same with the South Australian clubs.

From your zone each club would be able to select one player prior to the draft, with the pool of players once this selection has been made thrown into the general draft. The advantage would be that every club would have a stronger interest in developing the zone they are granted and it would mean elite players would largely get to play in their home State and likely preferred club. The players that are selected in the general draft are being provided with an opportunity to play AFL football and make a huge amount of money.

The only downside is that the AFL franchise clubs would likely not support it, as it would dilute the huge advantage they currently receive, where they get the best of both worlds in having a zone and access to the draft.

 

[eastfreo75]

AFL can do a few things to assist struggling teams.

1. Changed drafted players contracts from 2 to 3 years.

2. Players get a 20% bonus to sign at the club they were drafted.

3. Players that enter free agency get a bonus for signing with their original club ie $200k plus the 20% signing bonus.

4. Salaries and third party deals to be published.

5. 50% of third party deals are part of the cap.

6. All AFL player over 6 years agree to a financial audit each year.

7. AFL Investigators look at under the table third party deals.

 

[TryAnHit]

At age 18, sure - and that’s worked pretty well in most cases. But getting traded all across the country against your wishes at, say, 28? No way. And there is no good reason for it that Incan see.

They could always retire and go work a 9-5 paying 60k instead of 300k

 

[Superstar swan]

AFL can do a few things to assist struggling teams.

1. Changed drafted players contracts from 2 to 3 years.

2. Players get a 20% bonus to sign at the club they were drafted.

3. Players that enter free agency get a bonus for signing with their original club ie $200k plus the 20% signing bonus.

4. Salaries and third party deals to be published.

5. 50% of third party deals are part of the cap.

6. All AFL player over 6 years agree to a financial audit each year.

7. AFL Investigators look at under the table third party deals.

Nba rookie contracts are ideal. It costs a player ALOT of money to leave their original team within first 7 years. Restricts the amount opposition cam offer players.

Takes the financial side out of it

 

[eastfreo75]

Nba rookie contracts are ideal. It costs a player ALOT of money to leave their original team within first 7 years. Restricts the amount opposition cam offer players.

Takes the financial side out of it

Much more simpler.

If players want out they get a big haircut.

Might reduce the “homesickness”.

 

[Superstar swan]

Much more simpler.

If players want out they get a big haircut.

Might reduce the “homesickness”.

Exactly

 

[Robroy22]

The best solution to this would be to give every club a zone as the AFL franchises currently get. The zones would be in AFL heartland so for argument sake Geelong would have the Geelong Falcons, Hawthorn would have the Eastern Ranges, etc., and the Western Australian clubs would divide the State in two and the same with the South Australian clubs.

From your zone each club would be able to select one player prior to the draft, with the pool of players once this selection has been made thrown into the general draft. The advantage would be that every club would have a stronger interest in developing the zone they are granted and it would mean elite players would largely get to play in their home State and likely preferred club. The players that are selected in the general draft are being provided with an opportunity to play AFL football and make a huge amount of money.

The only downside is that the AFL franchise clubs would likely not support it, as it would dilute the huge advantage they currently receive, where they get the best of both worlds in having a zone and access to the draft.

Way too old school....but I love it