The new Perth stadium should really have the option to expand to 80k, not just 70k, if the line of thinking was that one day they may be able to pinch the GF from the MCG.
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The Grand Final should be hosted at a neutral venue
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Weird comment. I love the Grand Final. This may shock you, but a sentimental attachment to a concrete structure in Melbourne is not a prerequisite of loving the GF.
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Are you going to tell that to the 82,258 people there last night for the NRL GF?
Sheesh. Do facts even matter?
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I agree. A disgrace. And I'm sure it was fixed the very next day.
I'll tell you what i think is weird.
People know what the deal is with the MCG and grand final, but still need to whinge about where it's played.
13 grand finals have been played between a Vic v Interstate, and guess what it's 8 to 5 in the interstates favor, now that's weird considering it gives the Vics an advantage.
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Heaven forbid that people would discuss the merits of holding the GF at the MCG in a thread about the merits of holding the GF at the MCG.
"They know the deal" do they? That reasoning is the very essence of unthinking conservatism, the belief that nothing should ever be done for the first time.
Maybe explain to me how a game like Aussie Rules has changed so dramatically over the years then.
Which it has, indisputably. But suddenly everyone goes all schmaltzy and misty-eyed when the subject is a bloody concrete donut.
I might be an old fart but I'm damn well not a sentimental old fart.
BTW if you'd read the whole thread you'd see that your "proof" was debunked about 10 pages back. Unless you eliminate every single other factor it's impossible to state categorically that there is no "home" advantage at the G to Melbourne teams. How do we know that those non-Victorian teams wouldn't have won every single one of those GFs if they'd been all held at a neutral ground?
Haha yeah mate, great "reasoning", there is a contract to play the game there for another 20 years.
Not up to me to stop people like you having a good ole whinge about it though, to be honest i find it amusing.
How about you put up the proof that shows that Vic teams have an advantage then.
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Glad I brought some light into your life.
I personally don't give a stuff where the granny is held. Just couldn't resist wading into the sentimental claptrap I'm seeing here, that people clearly believes passes for argument.
And I never said it was a fact that Vic teams have an advantage. I was pointing out the flaw in your argument that you felt showed conclusively there was no advantage. It did no such thing. Have a great day.
I'm with you, don't really care where it is played, will be a great spectacle anywhere.
And just to clarify, i did not state it as proof, i just showed that teams from outside of this state seem to be able to win more times than they lose.
One other thing, Vic. is the most central footy state of all, so unless they build a stadium in Canberra, i think it's still the best place to have it at the moment
Makes me laugh hearing the vic fans talk about how it means more to win at the g. For teams that play there once a year....no its a ground we dont see so how do we have a connection to it. It's those fans that make me smile whilst thinking of how the AFL Have probably screwed the league when gws and gold coast start smashing everyone. Cant wait to hear those same fans sook about it being unfair, and refuse to attend a gf between the 2 teams.
Not practical to declare the GF venue only a week out, but if you disregard that issue, you could adhere to the following to ensure state based neutrality.
Team's State v Team's State = GF Venue's State
WA v WA = WA
WA v SA = QLD
WA v VIC = SA
WA v NSW = SA
WA v QLD = NSW
SA v SA = SA
SA v VIC = WA
SA v NSW = WA
SA v QLD = WA
VIC v VIC = VIC
VIC v NSW = QLD
VIC v QLD = NSW
NSW v NSW = NSW
NSW v QLD = SA
QLD v QLD = QLD
So the MCG would only have the GF if its an all Vic match (45 possible matches), 29 possible matches each in WA and SA, 25 possible matches each in QLD and NSW.
So MCG GFs should happen about 30% of the time....about 18% each for WA/SA and about 16% each for NSW/QLD... again this is assuming that all 5 cities have a suitable venue to host the GF in terms of capacity and facilities as per MCG standard.
Team's State v Team's State = GF Venue's State
WA v WA = WA
WA v SA = QLD
WA v VIC = SA
WA v NSW = SA
WA v QLD = NSW
SA v SA = SA
SA v VIC = WA
SA v NSW = WA
SA v QLD = WA
VIC v VIC = VIC
VIC v NSW = QLD
VIC v QLD = NSW
NSW v NSW = NSW
NSW v QLD = SA
QLD v QLD = QLD
So the MCG would only have the GF if its an all Vic match (45 possible matches), 29 possible matches each in WA and SA, 25 possible matches each in QLD and NSW.
So MCG GFs should happen about 30% of the time....about 18% each for WA/SA and about 16% each for NSW/QLD... again this is assuming that all 5 cities have a suitable venue to host the GF in terms of capacity and facilities as per MCG standard.
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the G is the G, you aspire to play in front of 100k there in the Granny with half those fans yours. i don't care where it is, it's the MCG, it doesn't matter to me that it's in Melbourne, the part that matters is getting a few more games there for the interstate teams in the H&A season.
I can see the english using these lines for hosting every single world cup final
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The designers of the new Perth stadium are making a mistake not to make the width of the ground similar to the MCG's width.
Strangely we are only one of the few sports that play on a ground/court/pitch/field that vary in size. Simply make every ground the same size
The eagles are making one of the two training grounds at our new complex mcg sized - the other will be the same shape as the new stadium
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Except you wouldn't have a huge chunk of the ground taken up by the MCC and the AFL members. Can't imagine it'd change much at all to be honest.
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I'm glad this is picking up gusto.
It's something that the AFL need to pick up on. I can see the sport stalling and free-falling with popularity with failing to draw in new supporters whilst it's still this amateurish.
I get that the MCG is a wonderful facility, but at the moment having the Grand Final at the G is like having every international test match at the G, because you could technically maximize profits.
The contract side of things is rubbish also. You can amend the contract and re-instate it.
Considering most of the AFL's money comes from the TV rights deal, they wouldn't be losing much. If anything they could make more money from the Media.
Alternatively what the interstate teams need to do, is form a union.. form a breakaway league and professionalize the sport.
Though that could be a logistical nightmare for most and you'd need to incentivize a lot including (Players, teams, supporters).
Supporters would be easy, teams potentially too..
The hard part would be the players, and the funding they would get...
In saying that it would leave the AFL in a lurch considering they are contracted to have 'x' amount of teams and 'x' amount of games.
And a drop off in following would result in a drop off of money.
It's something that the AFL need to pick up on. I can see the sport stalling and free-falling with popularity with failing to draw in new supporters whilst it's still this amateurish.
I get that the MCG is a wonderful facility, but at the moment having the Grand Final at the G is like having every international test match at the G, because you could technically maximize profits.
The contract side of things is rubbish also. You can amend the contract and re-instate it.
Considering most of the AFL's money comes from the TV rights deal, they wouldn't be losing much. If anything they could make more money from the Media.
Alternatively what the interstate teams need to do, is form a union.. form a breakaway league and professionalize the sport.
Though that could be a logistical nightmare for most and you'd need to incentivize a lot including (Players, teams, supporters).
Supporters would be easy, teams potentially too..
The hard part would be the players, and the funding they would get...
In saying that it would leave the AFL in a lurch considering they are contracted to have 'x' amount of teams and 'x' amount of games.
And a drop off in following would result in a drop off of money.
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