Ayres very underrated.
Dusty hard to go past with all the goals he kicked - 10 in three grand finals.
Hard to know how Dusty's record would have stacked up if he had to play 8 grand finals like Ayres did
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Dusty hard to go past with all the goals he kicked - 10 in three grand finals.
Hard to know how Dusty's record would have stacked up if he had to play 8 grand finals like Ayres did
I think we know the answer to that given how he has performed in other finals outside his and his team's prime...Hard to know how Dusty's record would have stacked up if he had to play 8 grand finals like Ayres did
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8 Norm Smiths for the big fella at 100% strike rate
And as we know with GAJ/Buddy they could play in an infinite amount of GFs and not win one and since your like your odds Fadge, you have a better chance of winning the lotto than a NS from one of them. Better get on it!!
I can feel the steam from your ears coming through my phone.
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Dusty.
Chris Judd was very good in finals as well.
Chris Judd was very good in finals as well.
Ayres very underrated.
Dusty hard to go past with all the goals he kicked - 10 in three grand finals.
Hard to know how Dusty's record would have stacked up if he had to play 8 grand finals like Ayres did
Look I respect Dusty as much as the next man but "Conan" would have chewed him up and spat him out if he'd played on Dusty.
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Is that when teams were made up of the milkman and the local postie, and half the teams and players weren’t participating as they were at War?
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Dustin Martin was Richmond’s best forward (most goals, most goal assists, most SI’s) AND best midfielder (most disposals, most CP’s, most inside-50s) across 3 x finals series and 3 x Grand Finals at the SAME time.
Can anyone name anyone else who has been their team’s best midfielder AND forward in a single final? Let alone across 3 x entire finals series and Grand Finals.
Coventry, KB, Barassi etc… from all reports were great finals players, but from what we know from stats, awards, flags etc… Martin is a clear #1 from 1980 onwards. But I’m reluctant to make too many assessments prior to then due to a relative lack of info … needless to say there’s nothing I’ve seen to suggest anyone has been BOG in 3 x Grand Finals and 3 entire finals series.
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Can anyone name anyone else who has been their team’s best midfielder AND forward in a single final? Let alone across 3 x entire finals series and Grand Finals.
Coventry, KB, Barassi etc… from all reports were great finals players, but from what we know from stats, awards, flags etc… Martin is a clear #1 from 1980 onwards. But I’m reluctant to make too many assessments prior to then due to a relative lack of info … needless to say there’s nothing I’ve seen to suggest anyone has been BOG in 3 x Grand Finals and 3 entire finals series.
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Might be worth mentioning Leigh Matthews who has a stellar finals record.
Grand finals;
21 and 1
21
21 and 1
28 and 4
16 and 6
16 and 4
14 and 1
Best in other random finals;
24 and 7
37 and 4
14 and 5
22 and 6
Remembering all of this was in a low possession era.
Grand finals;
21 and 1
21
21 and 1
28 and 4
16 and 6
16 and 4
14 and 1
Best in other random finals;
24 and 7
37 and 4
14 and 5
22 and 6
Remembering all of this was in a low possession era.
2nd thread I've read today, MB standards have dropped massively.
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Dusty likely the best finals player in living memory. Has gone past Snake Baker and Billy Picken (and Carlton people have already mentioned Wayne Johnston) who were the Gods of my youth.
It's a huge call to say Dusty is better than Ayres and Brereton, but it too seems warranted.
Let's not overdo it, Barrassi was a titan and there are several members of the Collingwood Machine who cannot be dismissed, 2 Coventries and 2 Colliers for a start.
Dusty may not have the H&A form to be considered the best full stop, but as a finals (and especially Grand Finalist) he's the best since 1960.
It's a huge call to say Dusty is better than Ayres and Brereton, but it too seems warranted.
Let's not overdo it, Barrassi was a titan and there are several members of the Collingwood Machine who cannot be dismissed, 2 Coventries and 2 Colliers for a start.
Dusty may not have the H&A form to be considered the best full stop, but as a finals (and especially Grand Finalist) he's the best since 1960.
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Luke Hodge and Scott Pendlebury as well
Yep and over a long period of time. Better than Dusty for that alone
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You have pretty weird opinions ngl. Maybe read up on some football. KB wasn’t a Finals MVP 3 times and BOG in the GF 3 times. So he isn’t more consistent.
KB didn’t play in the post-2016 era so you may not be familiar with his work.
Ngl, he was a superstar.
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Look up what a TV is. It’ll blow your mind.
KB was a better player than GAS (not that hard to be) especially in finals, hence the Legend Status.
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There's a probem imo in the AT part of GOAT. I don't think it's meaningful to compare players of different eras beacause the stats are meaningless. There are so many variables. Players in the past weren't professional. The population size from which they were selected was smaller. So, to give an example, if you compare any of the key position forwards of today with those of the past, they will statistically underperform because modern footy for various reasons had made it harder to kick multiple goals. How many goals would a Hawkins, a Cameron or a Riewoldt have kicked if they were playing in the 1980s? How many goals would a Dunstall or a Plugger have kicked of they were playing today? My favourite example of this intergenerational weirdeness is a stat regarding three Richmond greats, Jack Dyer (ruckman), Royce Hart (key position forward) and Dustin Martin (midfielder). All were exactly the same height. I remember reading an old newspaper report of a 1930s grand final on Trove and it listed the heights of all the players and there was only one player for either team that was taller than Dusty (and he spent the whole game on the bench).
I will check this out but I am pretty sure that Gordon Coventry played in the era between World War 1 & World War 2. OK. I think that his career commenced in the early to mid 1920's & he retired in the late 1930's well before World War 2 started. However I will get back to you on these points. Goodnight & good luck.Is that when teams were made up of the milkman and the local postie, and half the teams and players weren’t participating as they were at War?
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Is that when teams were made up of the milkman and the local postie, and half the teams and players weren’t participating as they were at War?
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Might want to sharpen up on both your war and AFL/ VFL history.
See, that’s the problem, in a nutshell, with your view of past players.
You watch a 5 minute YouTube clip and think that’s all you need.
I have just checked Gordon Coventry's playing career at Collingwood. OK. His first game was 1920 & his last game was in 1937. Therefore his playing career ostensibly would been minimally affected by World War 1 (but unlikely) & certainly totally unaffected by World War 2. Goodnight & good luck.
