Mega Thread The Hird Appeal - Day 2 - Full Summary post #2

[coryne]

Court recesses until February. Last sitting date his year of Full Court is 28 November and next sitting is 9 February. I don't know if the court needs to sit to deliver a verdict; but I'll gamble and say we don't get a result until February.

I thought that the case was expedited to avoid this situation, that a verdict would be given this year.

 

[Harry Hawks]

Based on what point precisely?

DON'T BITE YOU FOOL!! SAVE YOURSELF!!!

 

[chelseacarlton]

I don't think that's the case actually.

The whole argument is based around the evidence being entrusted. I believe there would have to be some oversight as to what evidence is "couriered" - that is the defining point

Are you saying that the AFL could be subjective in the evidence that they then handed over?.
It seems like a stupid argument even to us stupid people!.

 

[Argy]

Once this appeal is thrown out, what are the chances Hird then takes the same course of action but this time against the AFL so it all starts over again?

I can't imagine him taking it beyond here. But I am at a disadvantage. I'm sane.

 

[FuManchu]

DON'T BITE YOU FOOL!! SAVE YOURSELF!!!

He responded with the vibe argument.

 

[van peebles]

So what happens to players cases if hirds wins or takes it to the High Court?
Is there a ploy to corrupt the players tribunal cases?

This is a scenario ive mentioned for the last 9 months.
After this current hearing the "EFC side'could set an ex player up for a court tilt against themselves.
That way overcooking the current situation and dragging it another 6 months.
They could then get JH to take the club to court and extend it beyond yet another year.
That way all the evidence could be tied up for at least another 2 years without being tested at the tribunal.

 

[Albert Ross]

So what happens to players cases if hirds wins or takes it to the High Court?
Is there a ploy to corrupt the players tribunal cases?

Well they could have all plead guilty and served suspensions by then. So Hird 'wins' and the investigation begins again and ASADA regather evidence (including player confessions this time - condition of any 'deal' around suspensions. I don't count myself a foamer, but in this case I can't see the argument about this 'helping' another other than Hird.

 

[Big Fozza]

if the ruling is found in favour of ASADA will Hird have to pay legal fees for ASADA again?

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

Chris Kaias @ChrisKaias · 32s32 seconds ago
Kenny: could ASADA have asked AFL to ask questions and get answers after? Why shouldn't ASADA say ask following people these things..

Chris Kaias @ChrisKaias · 15s15 seconds ago
Hanks: that would have been legitimate. Not course followed here

If that's actually what Hank said I reckon that is the precise moment his case is buried. If their position is really 'it's okay for ASADA to rely on information obtained by the AFLs coercive powers but they just can't actually be in the room when the AFL use those powers' that sounds awfully flimsy - how exactly are players worse off by ASADA actually being there? How have they suffered any detriment at all?

 

[Graffy4242]

Based on what point precisely?

Based on Hird being a Demi God and Carlo being one of his acolytes.

 

[threesixpio]

I can't imagine him taking it beyond here. But I am at a disadvantage. I'm sane.

Ship has sailed. Exactly what would he be appealing? His own dumb decision re not involving the AFL?

 

[compact72]

Chris Kaias @ChrisKaias · 15m15 minutes ago
Don't know how long judgment will take. Anyone saying they know would be making it up. Would be faster if unanimous

Chris Kaias @ChrisKaias · 12m12 minutes ago
Kenny J was most concerned with whether ASADA had the power to investigate how it did, White J most concerned about self-incrimination point

Chris Kaias @ChrisKaias · 11m11 minutes ago
Besanko J my gut feel is was happy with Howe from ASADA's answers and leans to dismissing

Chris Kaias @ChrisKaias · 11m11 minutes ago
.@UberSartre they'll discuss it and can write three separate judgments or a joint one or a combination. 2-1 is enough either way

 

[FuManchu]

Well they could have all plead guilty and served suspensions by then. So Hird 'wins' and the investigation begins again and ASADA regather evidence (including player confessions this time - condition of any 'deal' around suspensions. I don't count myself a foamer, but in this case I can't see the argument about this 'helping' another other than Hird.

Hirds a narcissist, he will want his reputation restored at some stage. This scenario doesn't lend itself to that.

 

[evo]

and screwing the asian hipsters who line up at 6am. oh no, u said that was a pedo MO.

I'm going to Japan in a few months. There may soon be an abrupt change in my policy on asian women.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Based on what point precisely?

That James is a three time ANZACA Day medallist and today is remembrance day

 

[Albert Ross]

I thought that the case was expedited to avoid this situation, that a verdict would be given this year.

Don't know. I am adding a HS quote and the Court's info about sitting dates and probably getting it wrong. It would appear that the answer is at least weeks (just before the XMas recess) or February.

"It is hoped their decision will be read before the court’s Christmas recess, otherwise the court does not sit again until February."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...in-federal-court/story-fni5f6kv-1227117456096
http://www.fedcourt.gov.au/court-calendar/court-sitting-dates

 

[Xtreme]

Hirds a narcissist, he will want his reputation restored at some stage.

Things are too far gone for that to happen

Maybe in his own fantasy land.

 

[FuManchu]

Things are too far gone for that to happen

Maybe in his own fantasy land.

They always think they can win

 

[Oneiros]

Just the vibe of the thing,

After all Hirdy is a legend footy player.

Ahhh, it's the V-word!

 

[Percel]

Start with these posts and then go on...
36 44 46 55 67 81 98 109 116..etc etc etc..even includes off topic piss taking of Tania....

Boo ****in Hoo........... $itch

Dont log in if you cant handle the chit chat, sea kayaker of the highest order

 

[compact72]

Gilbert Gardiner @gilbertgardiner · 18m18 minutes ago
HIRD: "We're very happy to have chance to put our case forward... Now look forward to the decision."



LOLLLLLLLLL

Thats why you said last time fool

 

[coryne]

If that's actually what Hank said I reckon that is the precise moment his case is buried. If their position is really 'it's okay for ASADA to rely on information obtained by the AFLs coercive powers but they just can't actually be in the room when the AFL use those powers' that sounds awfully flimsy - how exactly are players worse off by ASADA actually being there? How have they suffered any detriment at all?

You could argue that seperating the two would have lead to another layer of administration which would have further prolonged the process (e.g. recordings would require dictation before they could be used, second interviews may be required to clarify points etc) thus negatively effecting the speed of the process and burdening the players.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

Ahhh, it's the V-word!

I thought that was "campaigner"?

Regards

S. Pete

 

[mottrain]

if the ruling is found in favour of ASADA will Hird have to pay legal fees for ASADA again?

DEfinitely depends on whether the court determines it is a public interest matter or otherwise. They may determine so simply as it is going to enhance asadas operations by having this verdict thus benefiting the government. They may no on the simple fact hird is a teat that seriously should not have even bothered to appeal.

 

[coryne]

Don't know. I am adding a HS quote and the Court's info about sitting dates and probably getting it wrong. It would appear that the answer is at least weeks (just before the XMas recess) or February.

"It is hoped their decision will be read before the court’s Christmas recess, otherwise the court does not sit again until February."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...in-federal-court/story-fni5f6kv-1227117456096
http://www.fedcourt.gov.au/court-calendar/court-sitting-dates

So "Christman recess" is late November ??? Thought they would have been open until at least early December ,,,,,,,,,,,