Discussion The history of the lace up jumper

[Fizzler]

I know this kid who plays for (I think U/14s) Port Magpies and he wears a lace up jumper

 

[Jack Stevens]

To be honest, until this thread was bumped, I thought that lace ups were some forgotten thing from the 19th century. I had no idea they were used so recently.

I guess it's sort of like what Collingwood are doing with Star Athletic, using different materials for different players to get the most out of the uniform.

 

[Roger Walker]

here is a lace up from the late 1800s to very early 1900s
anyone interested, please let me know

 

[Bacon Warrior]

here is a lace up from the late 1800s to very early 1900s
anyone interested, please let me know
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Great find. More info?

 

[Roger Walker]

the Essendon Football Club has told me that it's not one of theirs, it is from a Tasmanian team,
There are only three teams from that era which had these colors,
1897–1897 – South Hobart Football Club.
1887-2014 Ulverstone Football Club
1893-2014 North Launceston Football Club (1893 was know as the Railway Football Club before becoming the Essendon Football Club and then known as the North Launceston Football Club.
that is all i know at the moment

 

[Roger Walker]

Can anyone help me with a price on this jumper please

 

[sammy_mac]

If that's from the late 1800s/early 1900s then it belongs in the National Sports Museum at the MCG.

 

[El_Scorcho]

You'd need a lot more information. Mero might be able to help us by telling us at what point numbers started to be put on jumpers in that way which might give us a closer ballpark on the age.

It might be worth emailing the clubs you've mentioned there and asking them if they ever wore this design (and if so, when) and whether it might be one of theirs.

The club it belongs to will probably consider it more valuable than the average punter.

 

[West_Coast_Eagles]

the Essendon Football Club has told me that it's not one of theirs, it is from a Tasmanian team,
There are only three teams from that era which had these colors,
1897–1897 – South Hobart Football Club.
1887-2014 Ulverstone Football Club
1893-2014 North Launceston Football Club (1893 was know as the Railway Football Club before becoming the Essendon Football Club and then known as the North Launceston Football Club.
that is all i know at the moment

Numbers started in 1910's I think

So can cross south Hobart out.

 

[Roger Walker]

sammy_mac i have sent the National Sports Museum a email regarding the jumper, thanks for you input

 

[Roger Walker]

i would like to get a rough value on it

 

[West_Coast_Eagles]

Waverley panthers VFA

 

[krisholio14]

Waverley panthers VFA

It's more likely to be West Adelaide IMO.

 

[West_Coast_Eagles]

B

It's more likely to be West Adelaide IMO.

Bloods was red and black hoops.

 

[krisholio14]

B

Bloods was red and black hoops.

They have worn both.

 

[Chris who]

Why don't you give us some provenance?

 

[krisholio14]

Why don't you give us some provenance?

Are you asking me for proof? Lol

 

[Chris who]

Lol no! Asking the bloke with the lace up what he knows about it's history

 

[Mero]

I don't think that looks like a turn of the century jumper.
I would think a 1970's maybe even 1980's jumper would be more likely.
(Which still makes it probably 35-40 years old)
Reasons why:
- Metal eyelets on the hole where the laces go
- No reinforcing on the outside of the stripe
- Laces go 3/4 of the way down the jumper, not to the bottom
- Cloth number, not felt.
- The fact that is has a number at all.

 

[krisholio14]

I don't think that looks like a turn of the century jumper.
I would think a 1970's maybe even 1980's jumper would be more likely.
(Which still makes it probably 35-40 years old)
Reasons why:
- Metal eyelets on the hole where the laces go
- No reinforcing on the outside of the stripe
- Laces go 3/4 of the way down the jumper, not to the bottom
- Cloth number, not felt.
- The fact that is has a number at all.

This is why I think it's Westies. I don't recall ever seeing a lace up in the VFA, given they aren't cheap to make that's no surprise. I'm also pretty sure those Tassie teams were wearing Essendon jumpers in the 70's.

Westies had black collar and cuffs when they wore stripes in the color era, but I have a feeling initially they were red.

 

[West_Coast_Eagles]

Any idea on this one Mero

 

[Mero]

Nup, I've got nothing.

East Subiaco? Is there such a team?

 

[Gibbsy]

Nup, I've got nothing.

East Subiaco? Is there such a team?

Yeah, the colours and monogram gave me that idea. Smeagle ?

 

[Chris who]

You know what they say "if it has a west it must..... "
http://m.ebay.com.au/itm/111172182311?nav=SEARCH

 

[Smeagle]

Interesting.
There's no such suburbs as 'East' or 'West' Subiaco - in fact the modern town lends itself more to a North (industrial-turn-commercial) and South (old housing).
Nor is there any mention of associated amateur clubs in Subiaco FC's online literature.
The western suburbs are really old and established; but perhaps the suburban boundaries/classifications were different in like 1926.

Or, more likely, these were now-defunct schools. 'P.S.A.' now refers to the private all-boys schools of Perth, who compete for the Alcock Cup.
Perth School became Hale, Marist School went co-ed, while CBC split (I believe?) to form Aquinas, Trinity and CBC Fremantle. An East or West Subi School may well have existed.

My old man might know about this, or there might be something in his Diehards (SFC history books) back home.