The Jill Meagher case: please read notice in OP

[Flawed Genius]

Can't find any confirmation anywhere that he's been officially charged.

 

[King Elvis]

Officially? Where?

Twitter of one of the news anchors; not sure which one though.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Jeez, reading between the lines on that Lateline stuff it sounds like something truly horrendous has taken place.

That poor wee girl.

I'm about as stapled on lefty progressive as it gets, but I've always believed that in a case like this, if the evidence is incontrovertible - and hideously, the DNA will prove that in this case - I really struggle to understand why we don't just put these types down.

I fail to see how someone like this can ever be rehabilitated.

I guess it isn't for those that are guilty, but for those that are the victims of miscarriages of justice.

A family member was one of the founding members of Amnesty International in Australia. I think the main reason why she left was because she could not reconcile her beliefs on the death penalty (much like your own), with those of many in the organisation.

The argument I make with her is that, we do not have a perfect justice system. The need for revenge or perhaps the expediency of simply removing "irredeemable" cases is far outweighed by the cost of mistakes or deliberate malfeasance.

I also think capital punishment robs us a little of our hummanity. Dramatic maybe but it is a dramatic subject.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Me too. Don't get me started on the Zodiac. The guy who created the site out of Humboldt University about 5 years ago, was responsible for the scariest damn bit of the internet ever.

Link?

 

[Clay Davis]

Me too. Don't get me started on the Zodiac. The guy who created the site out of Humboldt University about 5 years ago, was responsible for the scariest damn bit of the internet ever.

Intrigued - what is this?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Me too. Don't get me started on the Zodiac. The guy who created the site out of Humboldt University about 5 years ago, was responsible for the scariest damn bit of the internet ever.

What did he do?

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who is a wee bit curious about the details that the press has agreed not to release.

The mind abhors a vacuum.

 

[tandino]

Yeah, but what's her better judgement? If she's walked the route alone a tonne of times, then why should she be extra cautious?

She could take a cab home, but then the cabbie could be a murderer. She could walk home with the bloke who offered to escort her home - but so often murderers are those you know. It's just an awful set of circumstances. I think the idea that women shouldn't change their behaviour is fair. Certainly not 1km walks in a neighbourhood they know well and is well populated.

That post or the one preceeding it wasn't about the poor woman in question.

It's about the balance between pragmatism and principles.

 

[Ed_Gein]

Me too. Don't get me started on the Zodiac. The guy who created the site out of Humboldt University about 5 years ago, was responsible for the scariest damn bit of the internet ever.

Link? Was there a thread on here about it too?

 

[Flawed Genius]

Deveny's claims that it is the same man:

Catherine Deveny had already reported an incident to CrimeStoppers that happened July earlier this year, where she was riding her bike home along Sydney Road, in the vicinity of where Jill Meagher was last sighted. Watching the CCTV footage has confirmed, in her opinion, the same man who approached her is the one talking to Jill Meagher.
"I was riding home, it was about 1am on a Sunday morning... I don't drink, so I wasn't at all drunk... there was a guy on the corner of Albion Street and Sydney Road; I'd describe him as early 30s, sandy hair, blue hoodie, jeans."
"He wasn't in front of a pub, he was in front of a closed grocery shop. As I rode my bike along, he was on the footpath and said 'excuse me' from quite a few metres away. I looked at him for a moment and I knew not to stop - I just thought 'se seems a bit menacing' and he didn't at all seem in pain or in need of help. I just knew not to stop, and I continued to ride, and I as I kept riding he moved towards my bike and tried to grab the mudguard and the packrack..."
"I just assumed that if a woman was taken there would have been a back lane involved, a car, a bruiser-looking bloke, more than one man - I would not have thought and insignificant guy - he didn't look strong, didn't look menacing - I'm here on the radio to try and tell anyone who thinks like me they have a piece of information.... I urge you - and it took me ages to do it - when I saw the CCTV, I thought 'that's the guy'..."

 

[bomberclifford]

As was I. The bloke could be a loony looking for 15 minutes of fame and making up a false confession.

There really must be something pretty telling in the other CCTV videos.

It also makes you wonder when they stipulated no cameras in the press conference.

 

[Clay Davis]

That post or the one preceeding it wasn't about the poor woman in question.

It's about the balance between pragmatism and principles.

Yeah, but as I hinted at earlier, both pragmatism and principles go out the window when you're having a good time.

 

[Flawed Genius]

It also makes you wonder when they stipulated no cameras in the press conference.

IMO just an extension of the "no-details-to-be-released" issue.

Someone records the press conference, breaks the unofficial embargo on the details.

 

[DrVanNostrand]

I was into it a bit at the time i signed up, perhaps only for a brief period, but sometimes stories like this pique my interest. It's really shocking and saddening that some 'humans' (dare i call them) can physically and emotionally do this to the victim and close friends and family.

I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually find he wasn't working alone. The silver car that was spotted a couple of times makes me quite suspicious and i still hold the theory she was bungled into a car on Hope St out of the view of anyone, so for that reason i don't believe the Hipster's statement at all. But at the same time, there were no signs of a struggle according to police..... ok.

I also think there is no way he could have lured her into a car without any force considering how far away from home she was. Is there any feasible reason as to why she would willingly get into the car when the CCTV footage gives you a good indication that she was trying to lose him?

The only way i think he could have possibly done it on his own was that he physically struck her somehow rendering her unconscious which would tie in with the fact there was no sign of a struggle. So, i think we'll find out later as to whether or not he was working alone.

Good post. The actual location of the kebab shop discounts the Hispter Guy straight away. I have no doubt he was genuine in his assessment, though.

I'm seriously thinking your last suggestion is getting closer to the mark. Runs up ahead, hides in alley on Hope, attacks from behind with a blunt object......

Looks Back Guy and (especially) Laptop Man still intrigue me. They're not involved, but why not come forward. Unless they have and we haven't been told.

 

[jonoman89]

Derryn Hinch‏@HumanHeadline
Meagher case arrest editors' nightmare. Can use material from Police sources but not once man charged. Could be before papers hit streets

Someone put in english?

The press wont be able to comment on the specifics once hes charged (which we now know he has) so a lot of stuff thats already been reported wont be able to be reported from now on?

You see it lots of times in the media

Once the criminal process has begun (AKA from time of charge) the media has less ability to report on the issue at risk of being in contempt of court.

Once the trial starts the full details will be available.

 

[grizzlym]

Link?

The site is now off-line. Design was brilliant.

The Zodiac was the worst, the creepiest, the most notorious serial killer of all. In my book. Never caught either.

A crime board it is then...

 

[lewigie]

Looks Back Guy and (especially) Laptop Man still intrigue me. They're not involved, but why not come forward. Unless they have and we haven't been told.

In the reddit link that was posted a few pages ago, someone mentions that their friend (the bloke in the red shirt) was interviewed all day today about it.

Is that the Looks Back Guy?

 

[Flawed Genius]

In the reddit link that was posted a few pages ago, someone mentions that their friend (the bloke in the red shirt) was interviewed all day today about it.

Is that the Looks Back Guy?

No, Hipster_Dude was Dan_Gregson.

Looks_Back_Guy is Grey_Jumper.

 

[lewigie]

A crime board it is then...

The Lloyd Rainey case would be a good one for the BF collective to solve.

 

[Flawed Genius]

 

[Ed_Gein]

Good post. The actual location of the kebab shop discounts the Hispter Guy straight away. I have no doubt he was genuine in his assessment, though.

I'm seriously thinking your last suggestion is getting closer to the mark. Runs up ahead, hides in alley on Hope, attacks from behind with a blunt object......

Looks Back Guy and (especially) Laptop Man still intrigue me. They're not involved, but why not come forward. Unless they have and we haven't been told.

When they look back it could have possibly been because he was holding a weapon of sorts, which one of the videos allured to. But i don't think any killer would be that brazen, i think it was more along the lines of him trying to coax her into something she was clearly not interested in doing (getting into a car), depending on the tone of voice and nature of what was said, that would probably turn my head. But at the end of the day it would just look like a normal couple having an argument.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

As was I. The bloke could be a loony looking for 15 minutes of fame and making up a false confession.

There really must be something pretty telling in the other CCTV videos.

He would have to be completely off his nut.

 

[Flawed Genius]

He would have to be completely off his nut.

Do sane people often rape and murder people after abducting them?

 

[Doss]

Men are a lot safer than women though.

I've walked home drunk on my own plenty of times through all sorts of dodgy areas both here and overseas and never really been threatened, the downside is it's harder to get a cab when you're a drunk bloke on your own which means you're more likely to have to walk.

If I was a woman I would be a lot more reluctant to walk home drunk alone. It's hard to believe how many women do it, I guess if anything good comes of this is that it will remind women to be more careful.

I live around 4km from Brunswick, so this is pretty big news in the local area.

As someone who enjoys a drink in that area on occasion, I've stumbled home along Sydney Road (and even along the much poorer lit Upfield bike path a few hundred metres away) many times, and have never struck trouble. Having said that, there have been enough stories of weirdos (of the perverted variety) around the Coburg-Brunswick area over the years (and I say that as someone who has lived their entire life in either Coburg or Fawkner) that I would be very weary of allowing my missus to do the same. Women are much more vulnerable.

This is a desperately sad story and thinking of what Jill would have gone through in her final moments makes me sick to the core of my stomach.

 

[King Elvis]

Map on here.

http://www.news.com.au/national/pol...st-of-coburg-man/story-fncynjr2-1226482868669