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Opinion The man that is Trump
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You gotta read this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.f4c8830d5e04
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.f4c8830d5e04
Interesting, Trump could have added but that would mean that he would have had to talk to Homeland Security to know who wasn't on the list of countries "of concern" that weren't Syria. So did he or did he not consult Homeland Security?
His travel ban is far shorter than Obama's travel ban on Iraqis.
At least you recognize part of why Saudi Arabia is not on the list. A hundred and something billion of arms offered under the Obama administration might have something to do with it as well.
Eqypt is a friend of the US and fighting it's own battle with the Muslim Brotherhood with the power struggle between the military that have controlled Egypt since the 50s and MB being the only political happenings worth mentioning there.
Jordan is a stable govt with US military assets.
Afghanistan is an interesting one but mostly due to the near 700 billion the US has spent trying to fix that unfixable mess, a travel ban would harm that investment.
Pakistan is an important ally and nuclear power. They are also fighting both ISIS and the Taliban.
Turkey, despite their myriad of problems and essentially direct support of ISIS they are a key NATO ally and buy a lot of aircraft. mostly to bomb Kurds and Syrians.
Tunisia sends the most fighters to terror groups and is implicated in most of the recent attacks in Europe however they are pretty much the only success story of the Arab Spring. An elected govt that is fighting radical Islamists and cooperating with the US.
The UAE have launched the second most strikes against ISIS behind only the US and are a vital energy import pipeline.
Despite the Obama Administration identifying Qatar as a key backer of Al Qaeda's affiliates in Syria they still sell them billions in arms.
And so on and so forth. It's about protecting US assets and markets and has been for decades, Trump doesn't change this.
Why would we debate about Muslims? I merely pointed out a group of Canadians that aren't their biggest fan. There is nothing wrong with the vast majority of the people. There are significant flaws in Islam as there are in all religions but few get as progressively violent and consistently so even across varying denominations (Wahhabi Saudi Arabia is like taking the Westboro Baptists and giving them their own state and near unlimited wealth, ponder that).
He's a mental patient, he did write (had ghost written?) a book on basically being bi-polar in business to get what you want.
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Suggest you do some more research...
Trump did not consult HS or any other department prior to signing the order, nor did he even advise the departments of what was written in the order. It was drawn up by his new aids that didn't even get the Att. General department to look over its legality. As he was signing they were just looking over the draft to see him on national television signing. Not sure why you don't get this.
He has executive powers to either include, leave the same or omit a country.
Not to mention Australia and further it has not been just the Obama presidency so lets just stick to Trump.
Still think it is a disgrace where $$$ surpass human life.
Was discussing Trump, the rest of your post is another discussion.
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Already order a large quantity of popcorn, nibbles and a case of red wine.
But have great concerns that we might be drawn in by one of his oversteps, so not really that funny.
Found this interesting article in the NYTimes.
Trump files for re-election — to hold on to his campaign cash
On the day of his inauguration, President Trump filed paperwork to declare his candidacy in the 2020 election, but it wasn’t necessarily a show of supreme confidence — more like a grasp for cash.
Financial disclosures filed with the Federal Election Commission show that a lucrative December made the move an accounting necessity. The Trump campaign ended the year with $7.6 million in the bank and no debt, so any funds raised over $5,000 by the campaign in 2017 would have be returned unless Mr. Trump registered as a candidate for 2020. He obviously was not prepared tooffer refunds.
And the money has kept flowing. The campaign brought in more than $4 million in expense refunds, mostly from members of the media and the Secret Service for the seats they used on his campaign planes. This arrangement is typical — campaigns are required to charge the Secret Service and the press a fair rate. What’s unusual is that most of the campaign’s air travel expenses, nearly $9 million, were paid to companies owned by Trump.
There is one expenditure that has not slowed: Making America wear red hats again. The Trump campaign, along with two fundraising committees that raise money jointly with the Republican Party, brought in $6.5 million in contributions in the last month of 2016. More than a third of that was spent on on hats, mugs, stickers and other collateral.
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I know it must be infuriating but the executive order specifically references section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12) and only lists Syria as Exec orders cannot be any and everything, they must be both legal according to Congress (thus the reference) and the constitution (very sketchy).
If any other countries were specifically listed it would be over-turned too easily. There is a reason the AG said not to defend it rather than initiate overturning it (which almost never happens).
I only reference Obama because he is relevant to the legislation used and is meant to be the opposite to Trump. It's really a continuation of policy as far back as WW2.
It does annoy me that it is still reported as a "Muslim ban", it's a "Middle East countries that aren't very useful to us and we are currently bombing them" ban.
Kuwait's blacklisted countries makes more sense security wise.
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It is a Muslim Ban, its just that you refuse to recognse it as such
See what Giuliani says (even allowing for his backtracking)
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...trump-asked-me-how-to-do-a-muslim-ban-legally
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but the ban might or might not apply to Christians if they are in the minority . Take your pick: defend the high number of terrorist attacks by the Christians from those countries or accept that it is in reality a Muslim ban.
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I can't believe you still don't get it. Why do you think he sacked the acting AG? What were her objections.
Can you show me any link where he consulted with Homeland Security, Attorney General Department, Defence, CIA etc prior to drafting the EO, feedback he recieved?
I know what the section is about but that is not the reality of what happened.
My main and only point is that if he is serious about stopping terrorism, then he has left out at least two countries that breed and assist terrorists.
Well then it is the worst ban on a thing ever akin to banning meat by only banning Four'n'Twenty pies which are mostly brown sawdust anyway.
High number of terrorist attacks by Christians from those seven countries? Can I pick up a Yazidi, Copt, Samaritan, Zoroastrian or Druze instead? Trumps apparent ignorance is a significant boon here for minorities that Islam presents an existential threat to. Apparently there are even some Jews left in those countries, something like 10 in Afghanistan I think it was.
I completely agree with that, I think my posts are being taken as near universal support for Trump where that is not true at all.
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Something like 9 of the 13 involved in 9/11 came from SA, yet there are no bans on that Country, why?
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I think that the Trump presidency is the worst thing that could have happened to Western democracy and if you just take the one example where his department leaked the conversation with Turnbull and his subsequent tweet does not bode well. Shows me he has no idea the difference between politics and real estate buying and selling.
Is is also very interesting what is happening in Russia at the moment with three cyber security specialist being arrested on a charge of treason for helping the US.
http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-fsb-agent-arrested-u-s-election-hacking/28261397.html
Russian media have reported that another Federal Security Service (FSB) officer has been arrested on treason charges in a case that may be linked to cyberattacks targeting the U.S. presidential election campaign.
News of the arrests comes as U.S. intelligence agencies continue investigating the degree to which Russian government-backed hackers penetrated Internet servers and e-mail accounts belonging to political-party officials, first and foremost the Democratic Party.
Tsargrad TV, a Russian news site run by a Kremlin-loyal businessman, said Mikhailov had links to a Russian hacker group known as Shaltai-Boltai.
That hacker group has published troves of e-mails of prominent Russian officials and businesspeople that it claims to have obtained in cyberattacks.
The FSB has not officially commented on the investigation.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-02/russia-charges-cyber-security-experts-with-treason/8233918
http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-fsb-arrests-spy-scandal-snowballs/28270682.html
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The difference between Obama and Trump on the EO's
They seem to be getting very excited about Trump doing something he always does, exaggerates to the point of any statement being mostly false.
They do something similar throwing in NOTHING in all caps despite there being some similarities like country overlap, delays in processing, ignoring congress, making secret changes.
Neither makes the other right.
It's fine just cut to Obama crying over a US shooting while bombing kids in the ME.
Oooh we could do a side by side of Obama approving a raid that killed 35 civilians, Trump's only killed 30 but reportedly included the daughter of the only US citizen killed by their govt. without trial since the civil war - Awlaki, hellfire missile to the face from a drone, approved by Obama.
I am sure Trump can do better though, he has time.
I had to google this, James O'Keeffe's escapades are pretty amusing and astonishing that he seemed to get more power through the project after being done for fraud and the CNN fuzzy handcuffs scandal.
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Even Trump knows Turnbull is a F*ckwit
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Trumps usually do, No Trumps is better though.
PicaBoo
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Most Muslims in those countries are killed by other Muslims, not Obama the Slayer as the AltReich wants us to believe. Your complaint that it is called a Muslim ban is therefor well justified if they are going to make exceptions for the minority as you described.
And I am glad you are agreeing that morals are put aside for business interests. But whose. The US or Trump. Or are they perhaps the same?
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I would say he be better then Bloody Turnbull
PicaBoo
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Unwanted war with whom? China? Would be about time they would see some action. They make Trump look like a choir boy in fake news, denial , agression and greed.
Big question: Which side would Russia pick?
