The Manager Merry-go-Round

[Sphynx]

Hear me out on this. But I actually think this is a good move for Lampard. Bit of a free hit this season since everyone assumes they go down. And their chairmen has shown that they will back their manager and allow them time to work their style into the playing group and he will probably have them back up in 12 months.

Lampard's ego is far to big to ever manage a side like Norwich now he's managed Chelsea.

He will have his eye on the Villa job imo, Gerrard is seemingly the bookies favourite there though. I hope this is the case and it derails Rangers season.

If Celtic win the title after the offseason they had, Ang is a definite chance of managing in the PL one day.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Lampard's ego is far to big to ever manage a side like Norwich now he's managed Chelsea.

He will have his eye on the Villa job imo, Gerrard is seemingly the bookies favourite there though. I hope this is the case and it derails Rangers season.

If Celtic win the title after the offseason they had, Ang is a definite chance of managing in the PL one day.

Agreed. Hate Rangers so much. Bunch of Neanderthal Fans.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Lampard had problems organising Chelsea defence, not sure how he’s going to help Norwich in that regard.

 

[jd2010]

Sure I more mean having a relegation on your CV can be a barrier for jobs later down the line. He'd be gambling on getting them back up and keeping them up probably, which is a three season project. He didn't take on Palace because of the relegation risk, this seems even riskier.

I think Palace wouldn't be as kind to a relegation as Norwich will be. With Palace he'd have been lucky to keep his job if the finished 17th. So he'd have 38 games to get it right. With Norwich he has a good 50 game block to get things settled before being judged.

And by the looks of it he might need that long. 1) Because Norwich look woeful & 2) Look at Palace without him and how safe a job with talented youngsters is, he obviously hasn't got a great eye for projects

 

[SM]

Lampard had problems organising Chelsea defence, not sure how he’s going to help Norwich in that regard.

Is Norwich's defence that bad lately? Chelsea result aside.

 

[SM]

I think Palace wouldn't be as kind to a relegation as Norwich will be. With Palace he'd have been lucky to keep his job if the finished 17th. So he'd have 38 games to get it right. With Norwich he has a good 50 game block to get things settled before being judged.

And by the looks of it he might need that long. 1) Because Norwich look woeful & 2) Look at Palace without him and how safe a job with talented youngsters is, he obviously hasn't got a great eye for projects

I dunno I reckon Norwich would be expecting whoever comes in to keep them up. As I said they're only 5 points back.

When he was favourite to take over Palace they had just had an exodus of players and hadn't brought anyone in, so how was he to know?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I think Palace wouldn't be as kind to a relegation as Norwich will be. With Palace he'd have been lucky to keep his job if the finished 17th. So he'd have 38 games to get it right. With Norwich he has a good 50 game block to get things settled before being judged.

And by the looks of it he might need that long. 1) Because Norwich look woeful & 2) Look at Palace without him and how safe a job with talented youngsters is, he obviously hasn't got a great eye for projects

Getting an underachieving but historically famous club like say Nottingham Forest promoted to the Premier League would really do wonders for a budding young career manager like Lampard IMHO. He almost did that with Derby, which in hindsight was a much better job than he had been credited for, esp the dire freefall the Rams have been in since then, both on and off field.

 

[jd2010]

I dunno I reckon Norwich would be expecting whoever comes in to keep them up. As I said they're only 5 points back.

When he was favourite to take over Palace they had just had an exodus of players and hadn't brought anyone in, so how was he to know?

They had a fair amount of the building blocks in place already. Only Edouard joined of note wasn't it?

If Norwich think they are staying up they probably shouldn't have thought about that before they sold Buendia and replaced Skipp with nobody half as good of them. If they want a scapegoat manager they should just appoint Bruce who they can sack when they go down. Doubt any good manager goes there without assurances they aren't sacked for relegation.

 

[SM]

They had a fair amount of the building blocks in place already. Only Edouard joined of note wasn't it?

If Norwich think they are staying up they probably shouldn't have thought about that before they sold Buendia and replaced Skipp with nobody half as good of them. If they want a scapegoat manager they should just appoint Bruce who they can sack when they go down. Doubt any good manager goes there without assurances they aren't sacked for relegation.

All joined after Viera was appointed. Of those I guess Guehi, Olise, Andersen and Edouard are first teamers.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Dean Smith probably would be a good appointment for Norwich. He had gotten Villa up from the Championship, and had a good CV with them up until the last couple of months this season.

 

[chef]

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All joined after Viera was appointed. Of those I guess Guehi, Olise, Andersen and Edouard are first teamers.

Gallagher too.

 

[SM]

Gallagher too.

Ah yeah forgot him.

Whereas here is all the players who had left when Lampard was linked (with no one at that point signed):



Looking at that list there's what, 8 first team players? Cahill, Dann, Sakho, Hennessy, McCarthy, Townsend, van Aanholt, and Wickham.

 

[jd2010]

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All joined after Viera was appointed. Of those I guess Guehi, Olise, Andersen and Edouard are first teamers.

From the starting XI that beat City 9 of the 11 were either at the club or were ex Chelsea youth who he'd have been able to sign. Olise was a done deal last season, Guehi and Gallagher would like have joined him if he took the job with Chelsea helping him out. Andersen and Edouard are great signings and wouldn't have been on the cards when he was offered the job. But surely he'd have been told of what sort of funds they'd have since they both aren't cheap?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Is Norwich's defence that bad lately? Chelsea result aside.

True..take away first three games and Chelsea and that’s 8 goals conceded in 7 games. But 5 games out of 11 conceded three or more…and lately they’ve played Burnley, Leeds, Brighton even Brentford ..not high scoring teams.

 

[SM]

True..take away first three games and Chelsea and that’s 8 goals conceded in 7 games. But 5 games out of 11 conceded three or more…and lately they’ve played Burnley, Leeds, Brighton even Brentford ..not high scoring teams.

I guess my perception is that they turned a corner with those 0-0 draws with Burnley and Brighton, got rocked by Chelsea, but then recovered. Looked reasonable against Brentford so seem to have turned the corner somewhat.

Brentford scored 3 against Pool not too sure you can say they aren't a high scoring team. They've scored as many as Arsenal for instance. One less than the attractive, attacking Palace.

Just think there is an opportunity for them to stay up if they appoint the right manager, and someone going there and failing to do so wouldn't get the free pass that someone going to Sheff U in February last year would have got.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Agreed. Hate Rangers so much. Bunch of Neanderthal Fans.

Haha you really need to get yourself to Elland Road bud.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Haha you really need to get yourself to Elland Road bud.

Not denying there is some ratbag Leeds fans out there, but I have see first hand Rangers flogs behaviour in a few football pubs over the years here in Australia.

They actually make Millwall fans look like Mother Teresa, toothless huns.

 

[SM]

From the starting XI that beat City 9 of the 11 were either at the club or were ex Chelsea youth who he'd have been able to sign. Olise was a done deal last season, Guehi and Gallagher would like have joined him if he took the job with Chelsea helping him out. Andersen and Edouard are great signings and wouldn't have been on the cards when he was offered the job. But surely he'd have been told of what sort of funds they'd have since they both aren't cheap?

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I think you're using a lot of hindsight revisionism to bash Lampard for not taking the job with. There's a reason no one wanted to go there except a manager who had something to prove after France and American spells. Guehi, Andersen, Gallagher and Edouard were not at the club when Lampard was being offered the job, and Zaha had a pretty average end to last season from memory.

Again, you just need to look at who ended up taking it after the names floated around to know how poisoned the chalice was perceived. This is a huge plus for Viera rather than a minus for Lampard.

 

[jd2010]

I think you're using a lot of hindsight revisionism to bash Lampard for not taking the job with. There's a reason no one wanted to go there except a manager who had something to prove after France and American spells. Guehi, Andersen, Gallagher and Edouard were not at the club when Lampard was being offered the job, and Zaha had a pretty average end to last season from memory.

Again, you just need to look at who ended up taking it after the names floated around to know how poisoned the chalice was perceived. This is a huge plus for Viera rather than a minus for Lampard.

They rejected Nuno who ended up being offered our job. Hardly as poisoned as you're making out.

The Palace job was an exciting challenge with so much deadwood and wages being off the books. Of the list of 20 something outs are any of them even playing in the PL? Says it all really. PVA is the only one who could make claims about still being a PL standard player and its in a position that he'd be blocking a talented youngster on 25% of his wage.

I'd be shocked if in discussions with Lampard Guehi and Gallagher weren't raised at all. And I'd be shocked if Lampard didn't think they'd be good enough for Palace and better than the 20 shit outs that had just left the club. So it's very safe to say they'd both have been very gettable had he taken on the job.

 

[SM]

They rejected Nuno who ended up being offered our job. Hardly as poisoned as you're making out.

The Palace job was an exciting challenge with so much deadwood and wages being off the books. Of the list of 20 something outs are any of them even playing in the PL? Says it all really. PVA is the only one who could make claims about still being a PL standard player and its in a position that he'd be blocking a talented youngster on 25% of his wage.

I'd be shocked if in discussions with Lampard Guehi and Gallagher weren't raised at all. And I'd be shocked if Lampard didn't think they'd be good enough for Palace and better than the 20 sh*t outs that had just left the club. So it's very safe to say they'd both have been very gettable had he taken on the job.

Huh? They rejected Nuno because he refused to become their manager unless they met a number of his demands. Clearly he had strong concerns about the job too, and wanted to bring in his staff which they didn't want to fund.

Exciting challenge lol. Almost everyone had them pencilled in for the drop.

 

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[Elmer_Hauser]

 

[RossFC]

 

[RossFC]

 

[Sozabarus]

Would be an odd appointment. Farke is a better manager than Lampard, or at least that’s what the evidence so far suggests.