Star Wars The Mandalorian

[edgie]

Isn't there still some scuttlebutt that season 4 of Mando will actually transition to a Bo Katan show, and that Mando will take over Rangers of the New Republic which was supposed to be Gina Carano's show?

 

[skam85]

There's nothing more certain than Mando having some sort of hero's death saving Grogu or something.

The only thing more certain than Mando dying is a miraculous "somehow he survived" heroic comeback in time for the last movie.

 

[glenferry23]

There's nothing more certain than Mando having some sort of hero's death saving Grogu or something.

The only thing more certain than Mando dying is a miraculous "somehow he survived" heroic comeback in time for the last movie.

 

[Forward Press]

I know there are many flaws in the sequel movies but overall I enjoyed the first two, I appreciated them at least trying something new.

Resurrecting Palpatine in the opening crawl of Episode IX with no foreshadowing whatsoever and just three words? F*** that, I thought, and the rest of that awful movie didn't overcome that opening stumble.

 

[Coolangatta]

I know there are many flaws in the sequel movies but overall I enjoyed the first two, I appreciated them at least trying something new.

Resurrecting Palpatine in the opening crawl of Episode IX with no foreshadowing whatsoever and just three words? F*** that, I thought, and the rest of that awful movie didn't overcome that opening stumble.

Yeah, as divisive as TLJ was, we all know Rian wouldn't have brought back Palpatine. Would've been interesting to see what he would've done with IX but I will never forgive him for how he disrespected Luke, he needed to have experienced more personal trauma for him to have ended up like that.

 

[edgie]

Yeah, as divisive as TLJ was, we all know Rian wouldn't have brought back Palpatine. Would've been interesting to see what he would've done with IX but I will never forgive him for how he disrespected Luke, he needed to have experienced more personal trauma for him to have ended up like that.

Colin Trevorrow wasn't going to bring back Palpatine and got sacked. JJ wasn't going to, but then RJ didn't follow his trilogy outline and ****ed it all up.

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[Coolangatta]

Colin Trevorrow wasn't going to bring back Palpatine and got sacked. JJ wasn't going to, but then RJ didn't follow his trilogy outline and ****ed it all up.

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Good points but JJ still didn’t have to bring Palpatine back. Would’ve been more interesting to just bring Snoke back although Rian went out of his way to show how dead he was.

At the risk of driving SM mad with another sequel rewrite, basically something like knights of ren resurrect snoke, he's plagueis, kylo cast out of FO, goes "neutral", force brings back Luke to "balance" snoke's return (blah blah force intervenes when unnatural messings with dark side shit); might have been corny, sure, but no cornier than the rise of skywalker was, and at least the title would've made more sense...

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the direction Rian took it in but JJ's course correction wasn't good to put it mildly.

 

[JackOutback]

Colin Trevorrow wasn't going to bring back Palpatine and got sacked. JJ wasn't going to, but then RJ didn't follow his trilogy outline and ****ed it all up.

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Is JJ really that limited a filmmaker? It's not like RJ left him with one, and only one, option. TLJ follows on from TFA, you might not like the direction, but it isn't incompatible.

 

[edgie]

Is JJ really that limited a filmmaker? It's not like RJ left him with one, and only one, option. TLJ follows on from TFA, you might not like the direction, but it isn't incompatible.

It doesn't matter if you say that. It's literally against fact of truth that JJ presented a trilogy outline and RJ totally discarded it.

Now, I'm happy to argue it really does not... But I won't at this stage. Happy to agree to disagree.

Yes, JJ really is that limited a filmmaker. Also after CT was sacked, that probably scared him off reusing some of those concepts. The failure of the ST is literally on everyone. All share the blame.

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[JackOutback]

It doesn't matter if you say that. It's literally against fact of truth that JJ presented a trilogy outline and RJ totally discarded it.

Now, I'm happy to argue it really does not... But I won't at this stage. Happy to agree to disagree.

Yes, JJ really is that limited a filmmaker. Also after CT was sacked, that probably scared him off reusing some of those concepts. The failure of the ST is literally on everyone. All share the blame.

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No, I understand JJ left an outline. but I also understand RJ was under no obligation to make his movie. He was hired to make his own. He followed on from TFA and it was then on JJ to follow again. TROS is far more incompatible with the earlier movies than TLJ is to TFA.

It probably would have been better if they had stuck with Trevorrow (and I haven't read much more than a few broad brush strokes of what he had planned).

 

[jdeezy]

Colin Trevorrow wasn't going to bring back Palpatine and got sacked. JJ wasn't going to, but then RJ didn't follow his trilogy outline and ****ed it all up.

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What was JJ's outline supposed to be? Because I get the vibe that the closest thing JJ had to a trilogy outline was "well I guess let's remake the original trilogy a bunch of times". Rian at least took the seeds planted by him in Force Awakens and ran with them in interesting directions. It's not Rian's fault Disney / Lucasfilm panicked, and overreacted to the opinions of a bunch of chodes on the internet and brought in JJ in full "let's cash this cheque" mode. Sadly we came out if it with the most incomprehensible, stupid, disappointing Star Wars movie since Attack of the Clones.

A movie about The Mandalorian and Grogu literally titled The Mandalorian and Grogu does nothing to inspire me that Disney and Lucasfilm have any clearer picture on what they need to be doing here. I hope the older Rey driven picture sticks and is worth watching (or the first Jedi one) because they're out only way out of this original trilogy driven mess we are in.

 

[edgie]

What was JJ's outline supposed to be? Because I get the vibe that the closest thing JJ had to a trilogy outline was "well I guess let's remake the original trilogy a bunch of times". Rian at least took the seeds planted by him in Force Awakens and ran with them in interesting directions. ...

HE DIDN'T THOUGH!

Literal dialogue he wrote:

The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just beginning. And I will not be the last Jedi

Please for the love of God, tell me how he created an interesting direction. Please. Show me even.

More, if you will.

Kylo Ren: It's time to let old things die. Snoke... Skywalker... the Sith... the Jedi... the rebels. Rey... I want you to join me. We can rule together and bring a new order to the galaxy.

Rey: (now I am paraphrasing) No.

Now for a second, it did sound interesting and appealing and new and exciting... Then Rian smashed the reset button like me losing at Mario Kart 64.

He even lifted scenes directly from Empire and Jedi, he ****ing even reused the same musical cues. He hacked up a shit film that rehashed beats and themes from the films that came 40 years before for people who simply accept what they're told without thinking about it.


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[Coolangatta]

HE DIDN'T THOUGH!

Literal dialogue he wrote:

The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just beginning. And I will not be the last Jedi

Please for the love of God, tell me how he created an interesting direction. Please. Show me even.

More, if you will.

Kylo Ren: It's time to let old things die. Snoke... Skywalker... the Sith... the Jedi... the rebels. Rey... I want you to join me. We can rule together and bring a new order to the galaxy.

Rey: (now I am paraphrasing) No.

Now for a second, it did sound interesting and appealing and new and exciting... Then Rian smashed the reset button like me losing at Mario Kart 64.

He even lifted scenes directly from Empire and Jedi, he ******* even reused the same musical cues. He hacked up a s**t film that rehashed beats and themes from the films that came 40 years before for people who simply accept what they're told without thinking about it.


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Rey and Kylo joining was definitely a missed opportunity, it was even set up with those Force Skype interactions.

He probably should have time skipped the movie though because what JJ “set up” was shit and highly questionable.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/s/grD2eCjdqh

 

[jdeezy]

HE DIDN'T THOUGH!

Literal dialogue he wrote:

The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just beginning. And I will not be the last Jedi

Please for the love of God, tell me how he created an interesting direction. Please. Show me even.

More, if you will.

Kylo Ren: It's time to let old things die. Snoke... Skywalker... the Sith... the Jedi... the rebels. Rey... I want you to join me. We can rule together and bring a new order to the galaxy.

Rey: (now I am paraphrasing) No.

Now for a second, it did sound interesting and appealing and new and exciting... Then Rian smashed the reset button like me losing at Mario Kart 64.

He even lifted scenes directly from Empire and Jedi, he ******* even reused the same musical cues. He hacked up a s**t film that rehashed beats and themes from the films that came 40 years before for people who simply accept what they're told without thinking about it.


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Kylo / Ben being the big bad of the trilogy, rather than Emperor 2.0 (who was then replaced with that very first Emperor) for one.

Rey being a nobody and the idea of other nobodies using the force as well, rather than "nah jokes she's a Palpatine because the internet said characters can't have the force unless you're related to a previous character with the force" for another.

Rian also, notably, didn't kill off perhaps the most interesting potential storyline of the sequels, which is Finn as a former stormtrooper. I'll admit he didn't do all that much with the angle either, but Finn getting more involved with the Resistance's cause over the course of TLJ at least kept this story in motion. It was the people in charge of Ep 9 that decided that Finn's journey should instead end with him shouting "Rey!" for 2 hours.


Would Duel of Fates been a better movie? No way to tell. But the broad story outline seemed great and managed to build from TLJ in interesting ways, showing that Rian absolutely did not dead end the story.

Anyway I'm genuinely curious what was JJ's outline supposed to be?

 

[edgie]

Where did we get this idea that no other Jedi is a nobody?

Anakin had no father ffs, and mum certainly wasn't sitting on council.

Obi Wan

Anakin

Qui Gon

Yoda

Mace

Literally, every Jedi who isn't Luke or Kylo is a 'nobody'. All of them. I didn't need a shitty movie to lecture me on how anyone can be a Jedi.

RJ did also kill Finn's character, I'll also remind you that John Boyega feels very strong about his role and treatment in that film.

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[jdeezy]

Where did we get this idea that no other Jedi is a nobody?

Anakin had no father ffs, and mum certainly wasn't sitting on council.

Obi Wan

Anakin

Qui Gon

Yoda

Mace

Literally, every Jedi who isn't Luke or Kylo is a 'nobody'. All of them. I didn't need a shitty movie to lecture me on how anyone can be a Jedi.

RJ did also kill Finn's character, I'll also remind you that John Boyega feels very strong about his role and treatment in that film.

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What was JJ's outline for Rey and Finn then? Where was their story supposed to go if JJ had made all the movies to his story? Just show me the receipts here, because going by the movie that exists that was made by JJ, Rey's outline ends in her being Rey Palpatine and Finn's ends with him as a background character. I'd like you to show me where Rian and Rian alone caused the plan to go off the rails.

 

[jdeezy]

Where did we get this idea that no other Jedi is a nobody?

Anakin had no father ffs, and mum certainly wasn't sitting on council.

Obi Wan

Anakin

Qui Gon

Yoda

Mace

Literally, every Jedi who isn't Luke or Kylo is a 'nobody'. All of them. I didn't need a shitty movie to lecture me on how anyone can be a Jedi.

Also I don't disagree with this but by lordy, the internet sure did. Every second post by the chuds was asking how Rey could possibly have any power with the force and the only explanation they seemed to like was "oh well I guess she's a Skywalker / Kenobi"

 

[edgie]

What was JJ's outline for Rey and Finn then? Where was their story supposed to go if JJ had made all the movies to his story? Just show me the receipts here, because going by the movie that exists that was made by JJ, Rey's outline ends in her being Rey Palpatine and Finn's ends with him as a background character. I'd like you to show me where Rian and Rian alone caused the plan to go off the rails.

JJs treatment has never been revealed.

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[Ghost Patrol]

Where did we get this idea that no other Jedi is a nobody?

Anakin had no father ffs, and mum certainly wasn't sitting on council.

Obi Wan

Anakin

Qui Gon

Yoda

Mace

Literally, every Jedi who isn't Luke or Kylo is a 'nobody'. All of them. I didn't need a shitty movie to lecture me on how anyone can be a Jedi.

RJ did also kill Finn's character, I'll also remind you that John Boyega feels very strong about his role and treatment in that film.

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True Jedis don’t want to be famous mate.

 

[edgie]

Also I don't disagree with this but by lordy, the internet sure did. Every second post by the chuds was asking how Rey could possibly have any power with the force and the only explanation they seemed to like was "oh well I guess she's a Skywalker / Kenobi"

Because Rey showed ridiculous aptitude for force usage, even more than Luke. I don't blame people for thinking that and neither should anyone else. It broke established lore and required explanation.

Me? I was happy to accept Snoke's line where light rises to meet the dark, or something. Rey is the chosen one do over.

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[Vader]

Also I don't disagree with this but by lordy, the internet sure did. Every second post by the chuds was asking how Rey could possibly have any power with the force and the only explanation they seemed to like was "oh well I guess she's a Skywalker / Kenobi"

I think a lot of that was also to do with the way the whole Star Wars saga has/had centered around the Skywalker family. She was the main protagonist of TFA, so people naturally assumed that she must be a Skywalker.

 

[jdeezy]

Because Rey showed ridiculous aptitude for force usage, even more than Luke. I don't blame people for thinking that and neither should anyone else. It broke established lore and required explanation.

Me? I was happy to accept Snoke's line where light rises to meet the dark, or something. Rey is the chosen one do over.

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Luke uses the force to guide a missile into a tiny hole to blow up the Death Star. Anakin uses the force to help him drive racecars at some ridiculous speed that no other human can. I don't know man, I think it's pretty well established that the protagonist of the story just does cool shit with the force because it's a movie and movies are fun and I don't think Rey's abilities fall that far out of that spectrum. It didn't need an explanation honestly.

But yeah them being a diad or whatever it was answered the question well enough if it did need that explanation. The force being in balance has been a thing for a while, so big bad Kylo needing an equally big good is enough explanation for me too. But it definitely seemed to me that they were worried that explanation wasn't going to be good enough for The internet people so they just went with the most nonsensical stupid twist imaginable.

 

[skam85]

Anakin had no father ffs, and mum certainly wasn't sitting on council.

wasn't Anakin meant to be conceived by Palps mystery skype jizz?

 

[Coolangatta]

The fault lies with Iger more than Kennedy, he was the one who wanted the ST ASAP. If they'd given Arndt more time to finish Ep 7 (it was his idea to change Luke to being on the island to stop him from overshadowing the new characters), and also let him write Ep 8 and 9, releasing the films across 16, 19, and 22, we would've gotten a better trilogy, no doubt about it.

 

[edgie]

Luke uses the force to guide a missile into a tiny hole to blow up the Death Star. Anakin uses the force to help him drive racecars at some ridiculous speed that no other human can. I don't know man, I think it's pretty well established that the protagonist of the story just does cool s**t with the force because it's a movie and movies are fun and I don't think Rey's abilities fall that far out of that spectrum. It didn't need an explanation honestly.

But yeah them being a diad or whatever it was answered the question well enough if it did need that explanation. The force being in balance has been a thing for a while, so big bad Kylo needing an equally big good is enough explanation for me too. But it definitely seemed to me that they were worried that explanation wasn't going to be good enough for The internet people so they just went with the most nonsensical stupid twist imaginable.

Rey literally uses force pull, mind trick, and lightsaber combat the same day she learns about the force.

It's a bit different to Luke and Anakin having the force assist them in piloting. Han and Lando and Poe are pretty good pilots too and do it without force. You can be a good pilot without it. Rey used very very direct force abilities at a high level that have never been seen before.

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