Society/Culture The Manosphere - Andrew Tate, the PUA grift, and other such nasties.

[Gralin]

this idea that kids can't be influenced and it all goes to shit at 18 just lol

there is a reason conservatives try to ban discussion on topics they don't like in school, why the complain about marxism being taught, why they want religious studies as part of curriculum's

 

[mellowyellow]

Has domestic violence written all over him

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

this idea that kids can't be influenced and it all goes to s**t at 18 just lol

there is a reason conservatives try to ban discussion on topics they don't like in school, why the complain about marxism being taught, why they want religious studies as part of curriculum's

Kids can definitely be influenced in either extreme direction, but likewise they aren't inert sponges that have no capacity for their own thought.

There is a reason leftists try to squash discussion on topics they don't like at school, why they complain about anything being taught that isn't left, why they want all religious references banned from the curriculum.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Has domestic violence written all over him

TBH. As someone who screens people for FV every day. There are a few in here that have it written on them, they are often those who scream the loudest against it. The only defining feature of FV perps is that they are largely male, nothing to do with their politics.

 

[Chief]

Has domestic violence written all over him

That and the videos of him beating women in "consensual" acts.

 

[Gralin]

Kids can definitely be influenced in either extreme direction, but likewise they aren't inert sponges that have no capacity for their own thought.

There is a reason leftists try to squash discussion on topics they don't like at school, why they complain about anything being taught that isn't left, why they want all religious references banned from the curriculum.

look at you go with your horseshoe bullshit, its the exact same idea as the soul and heaven and hell

born a blank slate with no idea about politics or good and evil

the extremes God and the Devil will try and influence you to be good or bad, the extreme left and right will try and get you to leave the center lol

It's not the left trying to ban gender and pronouns from being discussed.
It's not the left proposing teaching both sides of the holocaust (I shit you know this bill got presented in Ohio by a Senator that was home schooled) but yeah I'm against that one, I don't think the nazis were good actually should be taught to kids

You want reference religion in Secular school then you reference religion, you talk about all religions, study the impact of religion, don't have a Christianity is good class that is designed to get kids to go to church run by a chaplin or nun or pastor as a recruitment program

we don't need prayers as part of the school day, **** it shouldn't be part of Parliament in Australia but it still is

 

[phantom13]

TBH. As someone who screens people for FV every day. There are a few in here that have it written on them, they are often those who scream the loudest against it. The only defining feature of FV perps is that they are largely male, nothing to do with their politics.

You think you can call out DV from seeing how people post? That is bold.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

look at you go with your horseshoe bullshit, its the exact same idea as the soul and heaven and hell

born a blank slate with no idea about politics or good and evil

the extremes God and the Devil will try and influence you to be good or bad, the extreme left and right will try and get you to leave the center lol

It's not the left trying to ban gender and pronouns from being discussed.
It's not the left proposing teaching both sides of the holocaust (I s**t you know this bill got presented in Ohio by a Senator that was home schooled) but yeah I'm against that one, I don't think the nazis were good actually should be taught to kids

You want reference religion in Secular school then you reference religion, you talk about all religions, study the impact of religion, don't have a Christianity is good class that is designed to get kids to go to church run by a chaplin or nun or pastor as a recruitment program

we don't need prayers as part of the school day, * it shouldn't be part of Parliament in Australia but it still is

You hold the left up on a pedestal and its this ivory tower treatment that is so incorrect and delusional, that causes problems with kids. Any parent who think they should indoctrinate their child with any singular religious, social or political perspective because 'leftism/rightism or Labor/LNP/Greens/PHON is right' is absolutely damaging the child's ability to learn how to read widely, analyse critically and form objective unbiased thought. You cant preach about kids having choices, but only direct them to or accept the ones that suit your rhetoric.

The left may not ban gender and pronouns from being discussed, but they do ban or want to ban certain perspectives at odds with their own subjective perspectives that they don't like. Surely you see that.

I actually totally agree with you, all religion should be taught, and kids should be free to chose to practise whatever religion they prefer. The worst case scenario would be a left wing censoring of all religion from school curriculums. It exists and it actually is the moral fabric of many if not a majority of countries around our world, they need to know and understand them.

We dont need prayers, we need education that is objective, unbiased and factual, uncensored and unmanipulated by either the left or the right.

We will never ever have that though. Because the power of education is too attractive for those who want to pervert it for their own selfish desires.

 

[William Wonka]

He's actually doing this s**t.

It's like you're watching a snuff film and laughing at the "fake blood".

He's embellishing everything for entertainment value though.
I reiterate he's essentially a talentless rapper.
I could name 20 off the top of my head that are exactly the same as Tate.
Granted they are not exactly pleasant fellows but when they talk about going to a party and shooting 50 campaigners cause they looked at them the wrong way you take it as artistic licence.

As far as Romanian conmen pimps go I would suggest Tate is probably up there with the most congenial.
I neither understand why his views on life are popular or it's an issue that they are?

 

[phantom13]

He's embellishing everything for entertainment value though.
I reiterate he's essentially a talentless rapper.
I could name 20 off the top of my head that are exactly the same as Tate.
Granted they are not exactly pleasant fellows but when they talk about going to a party and shooting 50 campaigners cause they looked at them the wrong way you take it as artistic licence.

As far as Romanian conmen pimps go I would suggest Tate is probably up there with the most congenial.
I neither understand why his views on life are popular or it's an issue that they are?

You dont understand why his brand of misogyny and violence being popular is an issue? Really?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

You think you can call out DV from seeing how people post? That is bold.

Nopenot with absolute certainty. But ive seen so often those who act like they are the biggest warriors against this sort of thing, wind up being the biggest offenders. We have a few very angry, invested, anarchistic individuals on here who fit this profile. Its highly likely some are perps.

 

[William Wonka]

You dont understand why his brand of misogyny and violence being popular is an issue? Really?

See my previous comments re Hip hop.

'Pimp is misogynist' is hardly news now is it?

 

[phantom13]

Nopenot with absolute certainty. But ive seen so often those who act like they are the biggest warriors against this sort of thing, wind up being the biggest offenders. We have a few very angry, invested, anarchistic individuals on here who fit this profile. Its highly likely some are perps.

Thats a fair departure from what you said.

There are a few in here that have it written on them, they are often those who scream the loudest against it. The only defining feature of FV perps is that they are largely male, nothing to do with their politics.

But fair enough.

 

[Gralin]

You hold the left up on a pedestal and its this ivory tower treatment that is so incorrect and delusional, that causes problems with kids. Any parent who think they should indoctrinate their child with any singular religious, social or political perspective because 'leftism/rightism or Labor/LNP/Greens/PHON is right' is absolutely damaging the child's ability to learn how to read widely, analyse critically and form objective unbiased thought. You cant preach about kids having choices, but only direct them to or accept the ones that suit your rhetoric.

I was responding to your its the lefty's that are trying to ban things and limit what is taught in schools comments.

The left may not ban gender and pronouns from being discussed, but they do ban or want to ban certain perspectives at odds with their own subjective perspectives that they don't like. Surely you see that.

This is what you are doing

I actually totally agree with you, all religion should be taught, and kids should be free to chose to practise whatever religion they prefer. The worst case scenario would be a left wing censoring of all religion from school curriculums. It exists and it actually is the moral fabric of many if not a majority of countries around our world, they need to know and understand them.

See you're worried about the left censoring things again, like its the left doing this, like the right isn't doing this.

There we go, the moral fabric. The left are trying to destroy the moral fabric of society by not allowing children to be indoctrinated into Christianity is a very common argument in the bible belts in America, you know where they would not want any other religion taught in school and where they sue schools to teach creationism along side evolution like they are equally valid scientific theories.

You know both sides again

We will never ever have that though. Because the power of education is too attractive for those who want to pervert it for their own selfish desires.

the people in power don't want a well educated population, they want a selectively educated population

 

[Gralin]

He's embellishing everything for entertainment value though.
I reiterate he's essentially a talentless rapper.
I could name 20 off the top of my head that are exactly the same as Tate.
Granted they are not exactly pleasant fellows but when they talk about going to a party and shooting 50 campaigners cause they looked at them the wrong way you take it as artistic licence.

As far as Romanian conmen pimps go I would suggest Tate is probably up there with the most congenial.
I neither understand why his views on life are popular or it's an issue that they are?

So a guy promoting hate is all good because he's just doing it to make money yeah?

That's your argument, he's not really evil he just pretends to be to get rich like that's any better.

He just tells others they should actually do it..

 

[phantom13]

See my previous comments re Hip hop.

'Pimp is misogynist' is hardly news now is it?

No but i think there is a fair distinction between hip hop artists using cliched phrases and descriptions of violence in song for entertainment to this ****head using it as life coaching and advice (you yourself acknowledge these are his views on life, not just entertainment).

You seeing it as entertainment is not the same as the young men (mostly) seeing it as life advice, so "I neither understand why his views on life are popular or it's an issue that they are?" rings pretty hollow. You either understand that his stuff being popular as a mantra is a problem or you support the views, theres not alot of in between here.

 

[William Wonka]

So a guy promoting hate is all good because he's just doing it to make money yeah?

That's your argument, he's not really evil he just pretends to be to get rich like that's any better.

He just tells others they should actually do it..

No but i think there is a fair distinction between hip hop artists using cliched phrases and descriptions of violence in song for entertainment to this *head using it as life coaching and advice (you yourself acknowledge these are his views on life, not just entertainment).

You seeing it as entertainment is not the same as the young men (mostly) seeing it as life advice, so "I neither understand why his views on life are popular or it's an issue that they are?" rings pretty hollow. You either understand that his stuff being popular as a mantra is a problem or you support the views, theres not alot of in between here.

I've probably not seen enough of him to be fair.
I've just had people share clips of him bagging cooking, talking about mineral water and arguing with other no talent podcasters.

Please give me an example of his worst

 

[Gralin]

I've probably not seen enough of him to be fair.
I've just had people share clips of him bagging cooking, talking about mineral water and arguing with other no talent podcasters.

Please give me an example of his worst

 

[phantom13]

I've probably not seen enough of him to be fair.
I've just had people share clips of him bagging cooking, talking about mineral water and arguing with other no talent podcasters.

Please give me an example of his worst

Probably better off not commenting then I would have thought. Google him if you want some info.

 

[William Wonka]

Probably better off not commenting then I would have thought. Google him if you want some info.

Ok done a bit of investigation now.
Everything I said is absolutely correct.

Hip hop minus the music, an exaggerated character using shock value to appeal to the youf.
Its just 'Bitches ain't shit but ho's n tricks' only more eloquently expressed and well marketed to generation pissweak.

 

[Chief]

Everything I said is absolutely correct.

You even sound like Tate now!

Now check out his aggressively marketed MLM full of rubbish "advice" and bullying of members who question it or consider leaving. Yes, they will kick you out and keep your money if you talk about not continuing your payments. They threaten to block people from ever rejoining.

So if someone says "I don't have the money this month", they could be kicked out and not allowed back. It's a GOOD thing for them, but if they are sucked in they are scraping together money to continue their membership.

 

[phantom13]

Ok done a bit of investigation now.
Everything I said is absolutely correct.

Hip hop minus the music, an exaggerated character using shock value to appeal to the youf.
Its just 'Bitches ain't s**t but ho's n tricks' only more eloquently expressed and well marketed to generation pissweak.

So you’re on his train now, all good for the kids to think he’s the man. Cool, cool.

 

[William Wonka]

You even sound like Tate now!

Now check out his aggressively marketed MLM full of rubbish "advice" and bullying of members who question it or consider leaving. Yes, they will kick you out and keep your money if you talk about not continuing your payments. They threaten to block people from ever rejoining.

So if someone says "I don't have the money this month", they could be kicked out and not allowed back. It's a GOOD thing for them, but if they are sucked in they are scraping together money to continue their membership.

I think anyone familiar with my posting would agree that unflinching confidence in the strength of my own arguments is pretty par for the course.

You even sound like Tate now!

Now check out his aggressively marketed MLM full of rubbish "advice" and bullying of members who question it or consider leaving. Yes, they will kick you out and keep your money if you talk about not continuing your payments. They threaten to block people from ever rejoining.

So if someone says "I don't have the money this month", they could be kicked out and not allowed back. It's a GOOD thing for them, but if they are sucked in they are scraping together money to continue their membership.

MLM is evil preying on the feebleminded at the best of times.
I can't even imagine how stupid someone would need to be to actually hand over their hard earned to him.


I wonder if he let's his most simple-minded members pay for the privilege of giving each other days off?

 

[Cyg1992]

You hold the left up on a pedestal and its this ivory tower treatment that is so incorrect and delusional, that causes problems with kids. Any parent who think they should indoctrinate their child with any singular religious, social or political perspective because 'leftism/rightism or Labor/LNP/Greens/PHON is right' is absolutely damaging the child's ability to learn how to read widely, analyse critically and form objective unbiased thought. You cant preach about kids having choices, but only direct them to or accept the ones that suit your rhetoric.

The left may not ban gender and pronouns from being discussed, but they do ban or want to ban certain perspectives at odds with their own subjective perspectives that they don't like. Surely you see that.

I actually totally agree with you, all religion should be taught, and kids should be free to chose to practise whatever religion they prefer. The worst case scenario would be a left wing censoring of all religion from school curriculums. It exists and it actually is the moral fabric of many if not a majority of countries around our world, they need to know and understand them.

We dont need prayers, we need education that is objective, unbiased and factual, uncensored and unmanipulated by either the left or the right.

We will never ever have that though. Because the power of education is too attractive for those who want to pervert it for their own selfish desires.

Religion is fiction and shouldn't be taught outside of religious schools, other than from perhaps a historical perspective, to show where it's steered our society in the wrong way.
It should be made abundantly clear to students that an old bearded man in the clouds isn't dictating how the world functions.

It isn't 'tEh LeFt' pushing prayers, biased, non-factual, censored and manipulated curriculum in schools.

We are luckily moving away from that though, as the power of proper education is greater than what its would-be manipulators would wish it to be for their selfish desires.

 

[phantom13]

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