Current Trial The Murder of 9yo Charlise Mutten - Blue Mountains * Justin Stein Sentenced to Life in Prison

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maggiethecat said:
Considering K was found babbling in a drug induced state the previous Easter , she should have never had Charlise at Christmas time but I’m afraid money really does talk and it was probably because she was was going to the Stein family , it was permitted.
Kmutt admitted to using 9 points of ice a day at Easter , how was she so clean by Christmas? Did DHS even consider killersteins history and mental illness when allowing Charlise to go( I’m assuming she was under their authority?) , I’m all for family reunification but both Kmutt and killerstein had serious addiction, mental health issues and criminal records , im seriously wondering why she was allowed to go there in the first place but yes , Money talks .
If Kmutt was in a relationship with some everyday junky that didn’t have the support of a wealthy family, I believe things would be different.
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It was said earlier that child services wasn’t involved, it was just arranged between Kallista and her parents. Kallista convinced them that she was clean (haha) and the place they would be staying at was well known.

Charlise was very keen to go. And it was only for a couple of weeks. What could possibly go wrong? 😢
 
Dogs_R_Us said:
It was said earlier that child services wasn’t involved, it was just arranged between Kallista and her parents. Kallista convinced them that she was clean (haha) and the place they would be staying at was well known.

Charlise was very keen to go. And it was only for a couple of weeks. What could possibly go wrong? 😢
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Her grandparents will have to live with that decision for the rest of their lives , how incredibly sad for them 💔
 

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In the below Daily Mail articles, there's just a video of just over a minute of the Justin Stein Police interview that reportedly was not released until after the verdict yesterday, and another vid of the Bunnings sand purchase shop.

Some of the Police interview with Justin Stein and a Police call with Kallista Mutton in the 7News YouTube vid below.


Here's a 24s excerpt of Justin Stein's 1st interview with Police and a 45s excerpt recording off one of Justin Stein's phone calls from jail to his mother (the one about a request to retrieve the guns dumped in the bush)
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Justin Stein's first interview with police

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Justin Stein's phone call from jail to his mother

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Candice Sutton's Daily Mail article today assertion that Charlise was in Justin Stein's bed after she became ill is probably still just speculation based on quotes I just found in an ABC article published today.

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These are the events that culminated in Justin Stein being found guilty of murdering 9yo Charlise Mutten

Justin Laurens Stein being found guilty of murdering nine-year-old Charlise Mutten has allowed for the release of dozens of files of evidence, including his police interviews and phone calls to his mother recorded in jail.
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'The evidence that led Justin Laurens Stein to be convicted of Charlise Mutten's murder'​

'Posted 11 hours ago, updated 9h ago

'"She woke up I think it was like 5:30am, she literally chundered all over the bed, all over the floor," Stein told police.
"At the time ... my mum was selling the house. The real estate woman was coming up on Wednesday," he said.
"I literally left to go pick up Kalli. When we came back there was no car, there was no-one."'

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How a jury rejected Justin Stein's murder story as a pack of lies

In his month long trial which has ended with his conviction for the murder of nine-year-old schoolgirl Charlise Mutten, Justin Stein was the most mild-mannered of liars - but the jury didn't believe him.
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By CANDACE SUTTON FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 18:57 AEST, 19 June 2024 | UPDATED: 22:25 AEST, 19 June 2024

'in the case of Charlise's murder there was no stand-out motive for Justin, although he was questioned on the stand about the little girl being alone with him, sharing his bed once she became ill, and the fact she had been placed in a barrel dressed, but without underwear.'

'One unbelievable part of this story was that not only had Kallista taken off with Charlise, she had apparently cut a square of bloodied ground and taken that with her.
This was an unnecessarily invented narrative to explain why bloodied grass and dirt was found with Charlise in the barrel.'

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CCTV shows schoolgirl killer buying sand at Bunnings

In the CCTV tendered as evidence during the trial, Stein was captured entering Bunnings Marden Park in Sydney's north-west at 5.27pm on January 13, 2022.
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Maybe at sentencing what claimedly (not made public yet) happened to him at Cranbrook as a child, might be presented to the judge at sentencing, to try and attribute some of the blame for his mental health, addiction and behavioural issues on others.

Although this might have already been done for his prior conviction(s).

Theres no category yet for notable convicted murders at the below.

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List of Cranbrook School, Sydney alumni - Wikipedia

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BFew said:
Maybe at sentencing what claimedly (not made public yet) happened to him at Cranbrook as a child, might be presented to the judge at sentencing, to try and attribute some of the blame for his mental health, addiction and behavioural issues on others.

Although this might have already been done for his prior conviction(s).

Theres no category yet for notable convicted murders at the below.

en.m.wikipedia.org

List of Cranbrook School, Sydney alumni - Wikipedia

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I don’t know, if something did happen and he’s that disturbed maybe he should stay in there.
Childhood abuse can lead to criminal behaviour from underlying factors, (and no child should be abused,)
but where do we draw the line?
This crimes extreme and why give him a shorter sentence so he can walk free and have a chance to do it again.
 
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jason_recliner said:
You'd have thought so after she killed her friend drug-driving, as well, yet here we are 🤷‍♂️
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Such a tragic situation that an innocent little girl loses her life through none of own doing, but because she was caught up in a hopeless situation. . and it’s so often that it’s the ‘innocent’ who pay the price for the misdemeanours of others.

Kallista Mutton is a hopeless Ice Addict (I’d suggest that a lot of it was supplied by Stein, but I’ve nothing but my gut to back that up).

Stein is an ‘ex supposedly’ heroin addict, now on replacement drugs to manage that, and who still smokes Marijuana ( or whatever else was in the joint that he said he smoked that night she was ‘missing’).
We also know from the contents of his phone that he’s a collector of child pornography. … which in itself brings up lots of questions for me, irrespective of this current situation. I think he’s absolute scum & quite possible only with K because she had a daughter.

It seems to me that there needs to be some changes in the way we handle treatment of people addicted to drugs - because leaving them loose in society is of no value to them or to society.
Kallista was in jail as a result of her ice addiction. In 2019 she was released on parole “Under the intensive corrections order, Mutten is required to complete her rehabilitation program, remain under the supervision of corrections officers, and abstain from taking any illicit drugs”.
Why wasn’t she monitored, what psychological & psychiatric help did she receive to help her get off the stuff ?
How can someone have the opportunity in a treatment facility to be partaking of the stuff ?

RIP sweet little Charlise, I’m so sorry that our society failed you.
 
FranklinBluth said:
Those photos of Charlise holding her new Christmas beanie boos Precious little poppet.
Relieved Stein was found guilty, now I hope he gets an appropriately harsh sentence. What a disgusting human being.
I imagine Kallista, and Charlise's grandparents, are filled with regrets, that will haunt them for a long time.
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Hard to imagine K has any thoughts other than for herself, two dead thanks to her so far.

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maggiethecat said:
Considering K was found babbling in a drug induced state the previous Easter , she should have never had Charlise at Christmas time but I’m afraid money really does talk and it was probably because she was was going to the Stein family , it was permitted.
Kmutt admitted to using 9 points of ice a day at Easter , how was she so clean by Christmas? Did DHS even consider killersteins history and mental illness when allowing Charlise to go( I’m assuming she was under their authority?) , I’m all for family reunification but both Kmutt and killerstein had serious addiction, mental health issues and criminal records , im seriously wondering why she was allowed to go there in the first place but yes , Money talks .
If Kmutt was in a relationship with some everyday junky that didn’t have the support of a wealthy family, I believe things would be different.
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I have a friend who split with her husband - because amongst other things - he has a meth addiction.

She’s still required to leave their 3 boys with him every weekend (although he often doesn’t want them so it’s more like once month) because according to children services being a meth addict doesn’t necessarily make you a bad parent.
 
Awakening said:
I have a friend who split with her husband - because amongst other things - he has a meth addiction.

She’s still required to leave their 3 boys with him every weekend (although he often doesn’t want them so it’s more like once month) because according to children services being a meth addict doesn’t necessarily make you a bad parent.
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There is so much wrong with that - and with so many other decisions that are made by our ‘social services’ ( or whatever heading their dictatorial & often unrealistic judgement comes under these days)

However, re this particular situation, I under that Charlise’s care by her grandparents was a private arrangement…. and I think they were caught between a rock & a hard place. My heart breaks for them.
 
Awakening said:
I have a friend who split with her husband - because amongst other things - he has a meth addiction.

She’s still required to leave their 3 boys with him every weekend (although he often doesn’t want them so it’s more like once month) because according to children services being a meth addict doesn’t necessarily make you a bad parent.
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Ridiculous, being a meth addict makes you a bad parent.
 

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Awakening said:
I have a friend who split with her husband - because amongst other things - he has a meth addiction.

She’s still required to leave their 3 boys with him every weekend (although he often doesn’t want them so it’s more like once month) because according to children services being a meth addict doesn’t necessarily make you a bad parent.
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That’s unreal !
I know a mum who was going through a pretty hard time after being with an abusive man. She smoked a little weed but worked and had 4 kids. DHS took the youngest until she gave up weed yet it has never affected her parenting skills negatively before and she was and is a good mum.
 
The Daily Mail's Candice Sutton's today's article has included a new paraphrase from the Crown Prosecutor in this case, that further clarifies whether Charlise was in her killer's bed shortly before she was murdered, along with a detailed analysis of what happens next (and possibly where). Plus a couple of new trial evidence pics.

Maybe the new wording was from having now received and reviewed a transcript or recording of the relevant part of the trial.

Noting that the terms of receiving a transcript/recording include
'the reproduction of transcript for any purpose other than the conduct of court proceedings is prohibited.'
which might account for why there is no Crown Prosecutor direct quote, and only a paraphrase in today's article on the bed bit.

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Schoolgirl killer Justin Stein's bleak prison life

Justin Stein blinked rapidly as he was pronounced a child killer on Wednesday and then swayed sideways trying to stand for the jury, as if the truth of being a convicted murderer was just taking hold.
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'How child killer Justin Stein will be forever watching his back when he's jailed for Charlise Mutten's murder - despite prison bosses hiding him away in protective custody'​

'By CANDACE SUTTON FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 10:54 AEST, 23 June 2024 | UPDATED: 10:54 AEST, 23 June 2024
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Justin Stein blinked rapidly as he was pronounced a child killer on Wednesday and then swayed sideways trying to stand for the jury, as if the truth of being a convicted murderer was just taking hold.
During the trial, Crown prosecutor Ken McKay SC asked Stein if he knew why Charlise was clothed but not wearing underwear when she was sleeping in his bed after she became ill and started vomiting on the eve of her murder on January 10, 2022.
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jason_recliner said:
Sentence hearing today:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08...her-justin-stein-sentencing-hearing/104262160

HEARTWRENCHING testimony from the grandfather :cry:

Hopefully Stain will get life.
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'Defence lawyer Carolyn Davenport SC argued Stein should not be given life in prison, and pointed to other more extreme cases which had involved kidnapping and sexual abuse.

"It would be very cruel and unusual to send a 33-year-old man to prison for the rest of his life," Ms Davenport said.'

It would be even more cruel to all those affected by Charlise's murder, if Stein did not get imprisoned for the rest of his life.

And if this is not the norm, then doing so would set an excellent precedent.

It's not as though it would overload the NSW prison system from a new precedent being set for this type of rare event.
 

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