The never ending Priddis debate - part II

[Godfather32]

Lol

Come on, even you've got to admit that the pro-Priddis people that have been posting to this thread for the last few days are an embarrassment

 

[Galileo9]

If all you've got to add is personal insults, might be time to give the thread a rest.

That goes for everyone, it's starting to get personal again and I've got a card quota to maintain. Fair warning.

So by your own admission, everyone around Priddis needs to lift but Priddis doesn't.

Am I right?

no. we do need more from the rest. are you happy with how the rest is performing? thats the question. you see nothing wrong with rest of our midfielders?

 

[kranky al]

no. we do need more from the rest. are you happy with how the rest is performing? thats the question. you see nothing wrong with rest of our midfielders?

I see shuey tracking nicely
Id like improvement out of masten
Id like improvement out of all of them really
I can see great things in yeo but he needs to have more endurance



Id love for priddis to block and learn to ****ing kick too - but apparently seeing as he has a brownlow medal hes excused - everyone else needs to improve - not him but

 

[Valleyboy9]

So, being the master strategist that you quite clearly are, what do you believe is wrong with our midfield?

Thanks for the compliment but I didn't profess to be the master strategist. They are your words.
To answer your question, "not a lot"
If you noticed. in the last half of the season the game plan was modified to direct the ball from the HB line through the centre of the ground which resulted in winning 7 of the last 11 with a number of players missing which would normally be in the first 18 with some of those in the midfield.
The midfield that you like to bag couldn't do that if they weren't above average, which includes the Fairest and Best player in the AFL in 2014.

 

[Kernel Sanders]

Thanks for the compliment but I didn't profess to be the master strategist. They are your words.
To answer your question, "not a lot"
If you noticed. in the last half of the season the game plan was modified to direct the ball from the HB line through the centre of the ground which resulted in winning 7 of the last 11 with a number of players missing which would normally be in the first 18 with some of those in the midfield.
The midfield that you like to bag couldn't do that if they weren't above average, which includes the Fairest and Best player in the AFL in 2014.

And that "Great Run" of wins was against...... <drumroll> ..... bottom eight teams.

How many wins did we have against top eight teams in the year, was it 2, 1 or 0? I can't remember.

Which again gives us the tag, "Flat Track Bullies". Not that much to get excited about when you look at it that way.

 

[Godfather32]

Thanks for the compliment but I didn't profess to be the master strategist. They are your words.
To answer your question, "not a lot"
If you noticed. in the last half of the season the game plan was modified to direct the ball from the HB line through the centre of the ground which resulted in winning 7 of the last 11 with a number of players missing which would normally be in the first 18 with some of those in the midfield.
The midfield that you like to bag couldn't do that if they weren't above average, which includes the Fairest and Best player in the AFL in 2014.

Seriously?? We have an above average midfield? So why in your opinion did we not make the Grand Final, or even the finals at all?

 

[kranky al]

Seriously?? We have an above average midfield? So why in your opinion did we not make the Grand Final, or even the finals at all?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Above average midfield? Oh my word. Even champion data constantly rates our midfield as one of the worst in the AFL. That's all stats.

We have an above average/elite defense and forward line, but our midfield has been horrid since Kerr stopped playing and Shuey started copping his tag.

 

[Smotie]

Seriously?? We have an above average midfield? So why in your opinion did we not make the Grand Final, or even the finals at all?

 

[QS]

Some recent comments are similar to the optimism in this FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/164041817124073/

 

[Kernel Sanders]

Seriously?? We have an above average midfield? So why in your opinion did we not make the Grand Final, or even the finals at all?

 

[Kernel Sanders]

Seriously?? We have an above average midfield? So why in your opinion did we not make the Grand Final, or even the finals at all?

Oooh oooh, pick me, pick me!!!!

It's because all the other midfielders can't pull their weight except for Priddis. If all the other midfielders had Priddis's impact on the game....

Am I right or am I right?

 

[Johnno22]

Oooh oooh, pick me, pick me!!!!

It's because all the other midfielders can't pull their weight except for Priddis. If all the other midfielders had Priddis's impact on the game....

Am I right or am I right?

I think the reality of it all is Priddis really has got the very best out of himself, whatever level that may be.

The relevant question is. Have the other midfielders?

 

[Galileo9]

I see shuey tracking nicely
Id like improvement out of masten
Id like improvement out of all of them really
I can see great things in yeo but he needs to have more endurance



Id love for priddis to block and learn to ******* kick too - but apparently seeing as he has a brownlow medal hes excused - everyone else needs to improve - not him but

so basically, you are happy with only one player. thats it. its clear that criticism and blame is extremely disproportionate when it comes to priddis.

priddis can be criticised but to lay all blame on him and to make him essentially root of all our problems is clearly wrong especially when you can only name one player you are happy with. its clearly disproportionate. i dont see anyone having same demands of others as they do of priddis. apparently being mediocre or an OK afl player is acceptable for the rest of the midfielders but priddis only being an above-average afl player or just under elite is not acceptable.

it does not make sense.

 

[Godfather32]

I think the reality of it all is Priddis really has got the very best out of himself, whatever level that may be.

The relevant question is. Have the other midfielders?

With the exception of Rosa the rest of the midfield is largely made up of young players only just coming into their primes, I'd hope we haven't seen the best of Shuey, Gaff, Masten, Selwood, Yeo etc already.
The relevant question is, is the very best of Priddis good enough to be the centrepiece of a quality AFL midfield? Is the very best of Priddis going to lead us to a successful finals campaign? Along with many others I say no.

 

[kranky al]

so basically, you are happy with only one player. thats it. its clear that criticism and blame is extremely disproportionate when it comes to priddis.

priddis can be criticised but to lay all blame on him and to make him essentially root of all our problems is clearly wrong especially when you can only name one player you are happy with. its clearly disproportionate. i dont see anyone having same demands of others as they do of priddis. apparently being mediocre or an OK afl player is acceptable for the rest of the midfielders but priddis only being an above-average afl player or just under elite is not acceptable.

it does not make sense.

I think you have severe comprehension problems.

I just clearly stated that every mid needs to improve - some drastically.

The difference between the rest of the mids and priddis is that he has a small amount of scope for improvement in one glaring area - disposal

And less than zero scope for improvement in the other glaring weakness - legspeed. In fact he will just get slower with age.


He was too slow to play the modern game to start with. Watching chappy, who in case you missed it was let go by geelong and isnt the quickest guy in the world: completely and contemptuously witches hat him last year should ring alarm bells. Hawthorn have ditched sewell - just delisted him - and i see him as a similar player - with a hundred times better disposal - hawthorn cant play him through the middle as he is exposed for speed any more and given the pace of the modern game have delisted him.

Last time i checked these two teams ive mentioned are the most successful teams of the last ten years.

 

[ZergMinion]

so basically, you are happy with only one player. thats it. its clear that criticism and blame is extremely disproportionate when it comes to priddis.

priddis can be criticised but to lay all blame on him and to make him essentially root of all our problems is clearly wrong especially when you can only name one player you are happy with. its clearly disproportionate. i dont see anyone having same demands of others as they do of priddis. apparently being mediocre or an OK afl player is acceptable for the rest of the midfielders but priddis only being an above-average afl player or just under elite is not acceptable.

it does not make sense.

Teams have had some success turning Matt's strengths into weaknesses lately. I have faith in Simpson to combat that this year. Strategic trends only last until someone figures out how to beat them, and Simpson sounds like he's a pretty deep thinker on the game.

 

[kranky al]

Teams have had some success turning Matt's strengths into weaknesses lately. I have faith in Simpson to combat that this year. Strategic trends only last until someone figures out how to beat them, and Simpson sounds like he's a pretty deep thinker on the game.

*Deeply thinks

Play him in the wafl - east perth win a premiership and our mids either step up or ship out

Win-win

 

[Pottering]

With the exception of Rosa the rest of the midfield is largely made up of young players only just coming into their primes, I'd hope we haven't seen the best of Shuey, Gaff, Masten, Selwood, Yeo etc already.
The relevant question is, is the very best of Priddis good enough to be the centrepiece of a quality AFL midfield? Is the very best of Priddis going to lead us to a successful finals campaign? Along with many others I say no.

This is gist of the problem with the anti-Priddis crowd, this constant wail that he can't lead us to the promised land and should be dispensed forthwith in the hope that somebody, anybody will turn into an absolute world beater and deliver us a flag. Quite a few posters have bemoaned the fact that he's no Pendlebury, no Dangerfield. Both of those guys are surrounded by better quality midfielders than Priddis (Beams, Swan, Sidebottom, Sloan, Thompson, etc) and we know where their teams finished. There's been a string of players with the chance to show they are contested ball winners in the Priddis mould and none have been up to it. Till somebody steps up to the plate the match committee will keep Priddis where he is, despite the moans of a few BigFooty zealots.

 

[paran]

Teams have had some success turning Matt's strengths into weaknesses lately. I have faith in Simpson to combat that this year. Strategic trends only last until someone figures out how to beat them, and Simpson sounds like he's a pretty deep thinker on the game.

It's been happening for a while mate, but with Kerr gone now he's the main focus of our midfield and it's come under the microscope. As ER said, Priddis is the antithesis of the modern football - poor skills, poor vision, slow. I saw him blocking for other in the Adelaide game and that was a very encouraging sign because I'd never seen him do it before - he usually runs away from the ball handler looking for the hand off instead of shepherding. Good luck to Simmo if he can strategise around Priddis weaknesses, but I'd rather see Shuey, Yeo and Scooter in the centre with Rosa, Gaff, Hurn and Masten as the outlet receivers, with Sheed getting as many games pumped into him as we can offer.

 

[Godfather32]

This is gist of the problem with the anti-Priddis crowd, this constant wail that he can't lead us to the promised land and should be dispensed forthwith in the hope that somebody, anybody will turn into an absolute world beater and deliver us a flag. Quite a few posters have bemoaned the fact that he's no Pendlebury, no Dangerfield. Both of those guys are surrounded by better quality midfielders than Priddis (Beams, Swan, Sidebottom, Sloan, Thompson, etc) and we know where their teams finished. There's been a string of players with the chance to show they are contested ball winners in the Priddis mould and none have been up to it. Till somebody steps up to the plate the match committee will keep Priddis where he is, despite the moans of a few BigFooty zealots.

And the gist of the problem I have with most of the pro-Priddis crowd is that they constantly go on about how good he is, how he's elite and amongst the best midfielders in the game. He isn't, he has his good points, but his flaws in my opinion turn him into an average player at best. To be honest I'm just sick of being told how great he is, when if you actually specifically watch him for a game or two you realise that he's not that good at all.

 

[Valleyboy9]

Seriously?? We have an above average midfield? So why in your opinion did we not make the Grand Final, or even the finals at all?

Seriously......Mmmmmmm..Perhaps other teams may have been better overall....Are you putting this down to the midfield being responsible for 'not making the Grand Final". It takes more than a midfield to win a GF....​

 

[Pottering]

And the gist of the problem I have with most of the pro-Priddis crowd is that they constantly go on about how good he is, how he's elite and amongst the best midfielders in the game. He isn't, he has his good points, but his flaws in my opinion turn him into an average player at best. To be honest I'm just sick of being told how great he is, when if you actually specifically watch him for a game or two you realise that he's not that good at all.

Pity the paid experts reckon he's pretty handy. Is he Gary Ablett Jnr? No, he isn't. Is he far and away our best inside ball winner? Yes. I don't think I've ever seen a player who's garnered so many awards over his career so criticised by his own club's fans (thankfully a minority). While you're all frothing at the mouth about Priddis the rest of the team gets ignored, as though they are all pulling their weight and it's only Priddis holding us back.

 

[Godfather32]

Seriously......Mmmmmmm..Perhaps other teams may have been better overall....Are you putting this down to the midfield being responsible for 'not making the Grand Final". It takes more than a midfield to win a GF....​

Yes, like say a good forward line, back line and ruck group, all of which it has been widely acknowledged we have

 

[Godfather32]

Pity the paid experts reckon he's pretty handy. Is he Gary Ablett Jnr? No, he isn't. Is he far and away our best inside ball winner? Yes. I don't think I've ever seen a player who's garnered so many awards over his career so criticised by his own club's fans (thankfully a minority). While you're all frothing at the mouth about Priddis the rest of the team gets ignored, as though they are all pulling their weight and it's only Priddis holding us back.

Paid experts like Luke Darcy, Dermott Brereton and Brian Taylor you mean?
Yes, he is far and away our best inside ball winner at the moment, the problem is what he does with the ball once he's won it, and what he does when he doesn't have the ball. There's more to the game than getting your hands on the football.
And why would I talk about other players in a thread specifically about Priddis?