List Mgmt. The Official 2017 "Worth a Look" Thread

[Roos4eva]

It's a tough one, but it also makes sense as it allows both players to make fresh starts.

Feeling 50/50 on it, but can't help that feel that Goldy still has a few years left of good footy in him, but whether it's with us is another question.

However, when you consider the ages of both players, I'd probably do it.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Enough said.

To be fair Eddie absolutely exploded in season 7 and hasn't stopped since.

 

[North Viking]

Stringer to Geelong.
According to the footy show jake wants to go to Geelong.
Close thread

 

[Devington]

Stringer clearly needs a fresh start.
It's possible Goldy might need one to. At the very least I think he (and us) need him to be forced to a higher standard. Given the last 2 years I don't think this club can command that. A new one can.

Goldy matches one of the Bulldogs most glaring needs and they will see him as being able to propel them back into finals.
Stringer fills less of a need for us, but his best is easily elite and at his best he would be ahead of anyone else we have for his position.

Stringer matches our desired age demographic very well. We have ludicrous amounts of cash to burn. We currently have a ruck dilemma that would be solved by this deal, and set us up for the future.

It makes sense. Go for it IMO. straight swap. Don't worry about 3rd or 4th rounders as sweeteners. At their best each player offers exactly what each club needs, but they are both broken goods. There is risk involved for everyone already, don't try and complicate it.

I'm all for it, assuming we REALLY do our due diligence.

 

[gokangas]

And how does he add anything to our club?

He is a turnover king, horrible decision maker, turns up to pre seasons unfit

Stringers issues > motflop

I swear him and his brother are doing cheeky deals lol

Agree re Motlop. Not interested.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

There's no way i would want to go anywhere near Stringer. The fact that he has decided to up and leave suggests to me that he's not ready to change his ways.

We don't need our kids playing along side a poor influence like that.

Things must be pretty bad if the Bulldogs are happy to let a player of his quality go like that.

 

[Tas]

I need a fresh start as well. Should I snort a massive bag of cocaine first?

 

[Horizons_00]

I need a fresh start as well. Should I snort a massive bag of cocaine first?

Only if your sharing

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I need a fresh start as well. Should I snort a massive bag of cocaine first?

Is that you Libba?

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Vision of his latest trip to Columbia with Libba?

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Is that you Libba?

More of a ketamine man...

 

[SpiderBurton22]

More of a ketamine man...

Aaron Edwards likes this.

 

[rickety]

More of a ketamine man...

Isn't that where Gaso lives Ketamine man South?

 

[tiltraise]

Isn't that where Gaso lives Ketamine man South?

Katamatite?

 

[R00StaR]

What is this boards obsession with taking short cuts in this rebuild?

How about we actually build a talented foundation through the draft so that players want to come to north, rather then paying through the roof for blokes that drink their own bath water...

Because we dont want to go through the pain of the 90s again, when we used the system to get as many quality youngsters as possible. The top up strategy since the 2000s is so much better, we can go around each year knowing we'll be mid table.

 

[R00StaR]

Why a Jake Stringer for Todd Goldstein trade is a win-win for Western Bulldogs, North Melbourne

Ben Higgins, Herald Sun

September 14, 2017 4:00pm


IT’S the Holy Grail of trades

A rare rolled-gold win-win for two clubs searching for that missing ingredient to the premiership recipe.

Explosive forward Jake Stringer is on the table and North Melbourne needs another target inside 50m.

Todd Goldstein could use a fresh start and the Western Bulldogs are in desperate need of a No.1 ruckman.

There are hurdles.

The Bulldogs are reportedly after draft picks, not players, and Stringer is reportedly keen on Essendon andGeelong.

Jake Stringer is officially on the trade table.Todd Goldstein is contracted until 2019.

Goldstein is contracted and has publicly said he’s committed to the Kangaroos, this month telling SEN; “At no point has myself, my management, or even the footy club, or any other footy club shown any interest in getting rid of me or taking me. As far as I’m concerned, I’m a North Melbourne player.”

And yet a straight swap would infinitely improve each club’s list.

Stringer’s time at Whitten Oval is over, coach Luke Beveridge confirmed it to theHerald Sun.

“Jake’s management and the club got together and both agreed we’d explore alternatives to him playing at the club and explore what’s right for his long-term future and the club’s,” he said.

The 2015 All-Australian forward would get the change of scenery and perhaps kick up the backside he needs.

When Stringer kicked 56 goals in 2015, he had Tory Dickson (50) riding shotgun while Stewart Crameri added 32. Injury and form saw those three play just 27 games between them for 36 goals.

Jake Stringer celebrates his goal. Picture: Sarah ReedBen Brown is North Melbourne’s spearhead.

If used as a forward only, Stringer would form one of the most dangerous attacks alongside Ben Brown.

Brown - third in the Coleman Medal this year with 63 goals - would be the focal point and free Stringer of the best defender most weeks.

Perhaps more excitingly for the Kangaroos, his explosiveness could see him used through the midfield and form a potent one-two midfield-forward combination with captain Jack Ziebell, who has long been touted as a dangerous forward rather than a full-time midfielder.


Jordan Roughead is a solid ruckman but the Bulldogs haven’t had a true No.1 big man since Will Minson.

The outlawing of the third-man up ended what was a major weapon in Beveridge’s gameplan and saw Roughead and his back-ups exposed.

As a result the Dogs won the clearance battle just 10 times in 22 games this year, won the hitouts six times and hitouts to advantage just four times.

Todd Goldstein works best as a solo ruckman.Jordan Roughead provides a contest. Picture: Michael Klein

Adding Goldstein would allow the Bulldogs to return Roughead to defence, a major area of need for the club, and bridge the gap until top draft pick Tim English is physically ready to take the mantle.

After an indifferent year, Goldstein too could use a fresh start after 10 years at North Melbourne.

Compared to 2016, his production dropped off across the board; disposals from 13.7 to 13.4, goals 0.9 to 0.6, marks 3.1 to 2.8, hitouts 36.5 to 30.3, tackles 3.1 to 2.8 and clearances 3.0 to 2.6.

While Goldstein played 19 games, Brad Scott used Braydon Preuss in eight games and Majak Daw in seven.

Scott recently spoke of the Kangaroos ruck situation, saying the club was “still in the market for another ruck”, indicating the club could fill Goldstein’s shoes were he to depart.

“There’s a lot talked about our rucks, but really we have only three of them and you can debate whether Majak’s best position is ruck or forward,” he told Channel 9.

“Goldy, by his own standards, had a poor season and he would be the first to admit that, but his best footy is still in front of him.

“We understand it’s going to be a challenge to try and work the (ruck) balance.”

The Bulldogs and Kangaroos have a strong history at the trade table.

Just last year the Dogs sent fringe midfielder Nathan Hrovat to Arden Street for basically nothing, a swap of third- and fourth-round picks, and he played all 22 games.

As Kangaroos premiership player Sam Kekovich says “you know it makes sense”.

Wow he thinks we need more forward targets? Does this guy follow AFL much?

We need a midfield!

 

[Caracas]

Wow he thinks we need more forward targets? Does this guy follow AFL much?

We need a midfield!

Agree with you. However, it's not the worst idea. It does have merit. I still like our Goldy, though.


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[deano28]

Ahhhh ... caddyshack . One of the greats

 

[Snake_Baker]

I need a fresh start as well. Should I snort a massive bag of cocaine first?

I'd be recommending psilocybin in your case.

 

[Passmore]

Wow he thinks we need more forward targets? Does this guy follow AFL much?

We need a midfield!

Yep. Doesn't matter who we add to defence or attack, we're not going to improve with the shallow midfield we have.

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[R00StaR]

Yep. Doesn't matter who we add to defence or attack, we're not going to improve with the shallow midfield we have.

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I still dont think we need forward targets, improve the mids and JZ in there. Brown, Wood, JZ, Garner, Waite/ McKay all target/ marking types. Small goal kicking forwards with manic defensive pressure.....sure.

 

[Tas]

I'd be recommending psilocybin in your case.

I take it you have a lot of experience with it.

 

[koshari]

in after merge

 

[giantroo]

Tassie Tiger still dreams of AFL opportunity
September 15, 2017 - 3:22 PM

Tasmanian product Matt Hanson stormed onto the VFL scene in 2015 and has since built an irresistible football resume with the Werribee Tigers, but there’s one glaring absence.

The 187cm strong-bodied 22-year-old midfielder has been overlooked in the past three drafts and despite bitter disappointment, he has put his head down and worked hard on the areas recruiters have highlighted.

*“I worked on a fair bit with Jonny (coach John Lamont), there were a couple of weaknesses that were pointed out by recruiters - my kicking efficiency and speed out of a contest, so I worked on those pretty hard throughout the year and I’d say they improved,”* Hanson told Footy Live.

Under Lamont, Hanson has featured in the VFL Team of the Year in the past three seasons (2017 centre, 2016 half forward, 2015 interchange), won back-to-back Werribee Best & Fairests and is a shoo-in to take out this year’s.

*“Our main goal was finals but obviously a bad last half of the year didn’t help us out much, but really rapt with my year – I thought I was fairly consistent,”* Hanson said.

In a year that that the Tigers finished 12th with eight wins, Hanson placed equal third in the JJ Liston Trophy (the VFL’s Best & Fairest) with 14 votes and was the only player in the Top 10 from a non-finals team.

He played all 18 games this season, kicked 11 goals and was named among the best players 13 times.

He also led the VFL for total clearances (averaging seven per game) and tackles (averaging eight) and averaged 24 disposals, five inside 50s and three marks per game all while receiving close attention from the opposition.

*“It has been something I’ve had to work through (being tagged), I’ve spoken with Jonny (John Lamont) a fair bit about how to deal with stuff like that as well as my midfield coach (Matt Kershaw) and they’ve been really good, so it’s just a matter of keeping your mind on football and trying not to get frustrated,”* Hanson said.

Former ‘Roos skipper Andrew Swallow had a four-game stint in the VFL and was someone Hanson benefited greatly from.

*“He was unreal - just the leadership that he gave, the instruction, a few pointers here and there and just to see how he went about the game was unreal and a good experience.”*

Before moving to Victoria, Hanson played for South Launceston (TSL) and Western Storm, where he won a Best & Fairest in 2014.



Current North Melbourne star forward Ben Brown made the same move from the Apple Isle to Werribee in 2013 which led him to be drafted by the ‘Roos with Pick 47 that year.

There are many success stories that have come out of the VFL, and Hanson still holds hopes of being one of them.

Twelve VFL players realised their AFL dreams via last season’s national or rookie draft and eight of them - Mitch Hannan, Tom Stewart, Luke Ryan, Ben Long, Rowan Marshall, Tim Smith, Robbie Fox and Ben McNiece – made their senior debuts this year.

Some of the knocks on players tearing up state leagues like Hanson are usually, *“they’re an inch too small, a yard too slow, their ball use is slightly off or they lack versatility.”*

Former Docker and current Gold Coast Sun Michael Barlow was told some of these things numerous times before finally cracking an opportunity with Fremantle as a 22-year-old, where he polled 12 Brownlow votes in his first 13 games before breaking his leg.

Similarly, Hanson is a contested-ball beast with a goal-kicking knack, who (now at the same age as Barlow was when he made his breakthrough) still holds out hope of an AFL opportunity.

*“I haven’t heard anything as yet, but hopefully something comes my way,”* Hanson said.

*“I’ve done all I can do for this year, so now it’s pretty much up to the selectors.”*

*“If I get picked up it’d be a dream come true but if not, I’ve already committed to Werribee so I’m happy to go back and continue on another year there.”*

Other success stories to come out of the VFL have been Sam Mitchell, Matthew Boyd, Dale Morris, Josh Gibson, Isaac Smith, Michael Hibberd, Kane Lambert, Mark Baguley, Ed Curnow, Sam Gibson, Scott D. Thompson, Stefan Martin, Liam Picken, Tory Dickson, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, Adam Saad, Stewart Crameri, Cam Pedersen, Nic Newman, Luke Ryan, Dean Towers, Shane Biggs, Sam Lloyd, Patrick Ambrose and Michael Hartley.

In Round 16 against Collingwood, Hanson played his 50th game in a curtain-raiser at Etihad Stadium – his Werribee career to date has produced 53 games, 34 goals and 38 mentions in the best.

Outside of football, Matt is a trainer at his brother Will’s ‘3 Point Training’ Health Service.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Reading the Kinnear Beatson write-ups on the rookies he'd selected it struck me that a Matt Hanson type is exactly the sort of player they'd rookie and turn into a star, "because you could just tell he had a knack to find the footy and was such a determined hard worker".

Worth a look?

Bloody oath IMO.