The official rookie draft thread

[Zvim]

Daw & Cachia.

 

[Zvim]

My first comment was that I hope we drafted Majak " if he was anywhere near the mark". I haven't seen him play or any of the others and I can't make a judgement based on big footy or a five minute video. If you experts have been watching these people play and tell me that he is nowhere near the mark that is fine, let's pick somebody else. But in the meantime don't put words into my mouth and suggest that I said to pick him because he is an immigrant

He is a raw talent in that he is a very big boy but is very agile for his size, he could potentially play similar to say Adam Goodes who is fairly mobile for a big man. That is assuming IF he develops well and masters the game.

He would be a high risk player but that is what the rookie draft is for, take that chance on some development players.

I don't think his nationality will be a factor, there may be some benefits from drafting a player with an African background but we drafted Goldstein without the prospect of delving into the Jewish population either. We haven't tried to exploit any players who have been from various backgrounds to my memory.

 

[Long Live the King]

Interesting thread......I think it depends on what the rookie drafts primary purpose is.........pick up those overlooked in the national draft? pick up discard from another club? take a punt on an unknown who shows a bit?

FWIW I would prefer we take the best available talent........if its a Panos who starred for SA or a Liston medal winner then lets do it....

on Majak.....not sure....do you take the risk that he will firstly make the transition to the highest standard.... take the risk that he might bring that x factor to our club?? .....can we afford to get it wrong?

 

[year of the roo]

Barlow and Amalfi.

 

[Wally Carter]

on Majak.....not sure....do you take the risk that he will firstly make the transition to the highest standard.... take the risk that he might bring that x factor to our club?? .....can we afford to get it wrong?

That is my worry.

The kid is tall and can run and jump but he strikes me as a bit of an unco.

At 18 years of age, I think his biomechanics are locked in, so I can't see his skillset drastically improving.

It's far easier to make someone blessed with a decent skill set run faster, jump higher and get stronger, than get improvement from a beep testing freak that can't kick and handpass. Daws footy nous also seems to be a little lacking.

For this reason I hope we pass on Daw.

 

[hilly]

.....than get improvement from a beep testing freak that can't kick and handpass

How have you ascertained that Daw can't kick or handpass?

 

[micky_11]

I have followed the jets closely for over 5 years and i could think of 5 or 6 players who deserve to get drafted before Majak. I understand the hype about Majak, very quick agile, good leap and has a nice highlights package, but he has hardly been a consistant performer a TAC level. His 6 possesion a game average is proof He even got dropped throughout the year because he wasn't having enough impact on games.

Sean Tighe, Matt Notman, Johnny Rayner, Kyle Hartigan, Scott Sherlock have all been consistantly good for 2 and in some cases 3 years at TAC level, but because they don't have the highlight reel that Majak has their prospects are significantly lower.

If we are looking at Majak just because he will have an impact on our new multi-cultural facilities i would be extremely disappointed. Although the facilities are an excellent intiative we must maximise our success on the field, and to do that we should be drafting the best available players, even if they are rookies.

Yes please. Would rate our draft a 10/10 overall if we drafted Kyle Hartigan,

 

[Twinkletoes]

Like Filthy I hope we do select Daw with our first pick, at pick 9. If we do you can bet that the selectors see plenty to work with on the potential front. I don't necessarily want a guy who's the best junior. I want the junior who has the best senior potential, long term.

Burgan was on sen this arvo discussing Daw and he feels certain he won't last beyond the Dogs' first pick, at pick 19 (or whatever it is). His gut feeling is that we'll select him at Pick 9. I can't remember who else they spoke to today on Daw but it was someone else heavily involved in TAC Cup. He gave him the big thumbs up as a raw talent who "could be anything". That defines a speculative pick and I'd be happy with that.

Wouldn't have a clue on the second one but my guess is it will be the best remaining midfielder from the list mentioned earlier.

 

[Wally Carter]

How have you ascertained that Daw can't kick or handpass?

1 x youtube clip.

Reports from witnesses.

 

[NiceCunnington]

At 18 years of age, I think his biomechanics are locked in, so I can't see his skillset drastically improving.

For starters I don't think his skills need drastic improvement really. His kicking doesn't stand out as any worse than half the clowns playing with and against him in the TAC cup.

Maybe an 18 year old who has been playing his whole life has his biomechanics locked in but not someone like Daw who has been playing off and on for 2-4 years. Should be able to improve a lot IMO.

It's far easier to make someone blessed with a decent skill set run faster, jump higher and get stronger, than get improvement from a beep testing freak that can't kick and handpass. Daws footy nous also seems to be a little lacking.

Not sure about this. The way I see it is that it's impossible to teach someone to run and jump like Daw but very possible to teach him to improve his footy nous. IMO his main issues are knowing where to run and getting involved in the play and also decision making when he has the pill. He has a lot of work to do in that sense.

I'd be very happy to take Majak. Perfect Rookie List project player IMO.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Like Filthy I hope we do select Daw with our first pick, at pick 9. If we do you can bet that the selectors see plenty to work with on the potential front. I don't necessarily want a guy who's the best junior. I want the junior who has the best senior potential, long term.

Burgan was on sen this arvo discussing Daw and he feels certain he won't last beyond the Dogs' first pick, at pick 19 (or whatever it is). His gut feeling is that we'll select him at Pick 9. I can't remember who else they spoke to today on Daw but it was someone else heavily involved in TAC Cup. He gave him the big thumbs up as a raw talent who "could be anything". That defines a speculative pick and I'd be happy with that.

Wouldn't have a clue on the second one but my guess is it will be the best remaining midfielder from the list mentioned earlier.

Spot on.

I like the idea of gambling with our rookie picks. Daw is the one bloke in the rookie draft that has that x-factor and I want to take the punt.

It's a rookie draft. Whoever we pick up is way down the bottom in the pecking order. If we take Daw and he turns out to be a hack of the highest order, then so be it. It's not like we have to go to the trouble of filing delistment papers.

I have a sneaky suspicion our national draft was and will be magical. That being said, this rookie draft can be all about chance. And when you compare the early pictures of Daw with the later ones, you can see the kid has worked his arse off to build some form of physique. There is a commitment there to adjust and acclimatise to the game in the big league that I think will carry over to honing skills and further physicality.

 

[Twinkletoes]

I like the idea of gambling with our rookie picks. Daw is the one bloke in the rookie draft that has that x-factor and I want to take the punt.

We've often been criticised as "lacking that x factor" and you sum up my feelings on the matter well. Get Majak!

 

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

We've often been criticised as "lacking that x factor" and you sum up my feelings on the matter well. Get Majak!

Yep, I'm with Twinks and Filth on this, lets get Majak.

 

[RoyalBlue]

I don't give a **** if Daw turns out to be nothing, honestly.

If the recruiters feel we are in a position to gamble, properly, on a pick for once, then **** it.

If we have a pick in the 80s and grabbed him, we wouldn't give a ****.

Now people act like rookie list picks are first or second round picks in the national draft.

I've got faith in the recruiters. Let's see how they go.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I don't give a **** if Daw turns out to be nothing, honestly.

If the recruiters feel we are in a position to gamble, properly, on a pick for once, then **** it.

If we have a pick in the 80s and grabbed him, we wouldn't give a ****.

Now people act like rookie list picks are first or second round picks in the national draft.

I've got faith in the recruiters. Let's see how they go.

Hallelujah.

 

[Carnthe]

Hallelujah.

Praise Lordi.

 

[shiraz]

I don't necessarily want a guy who's the best junior. I want the junior who has the best senior potential, long term.

If I had to guess, I'd say Majak is a long shot to make it, but he could pay off in spades.

 

[The Other Dean]

If I had to guess, I'd say Majak is a long shot to make it, but he could pay off in spades.

Whoa. Malcolm X just rolled over in his grave.

Fwiw, I hope 'Majak happens'.

Thousands of stupid hippie bumper stickers can't be wrong.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

I don't give a **** if Daw turns out to be nothing, honestly.

If the recruiters feel we are in a position to gamble, properly, on a pick for once, then **** it.

If we have a pick in the 80s and grabbed him, we wouldn't give a ****.

Now people act like rookie list picks are first or second round picks in the national draft.

I've got faith in the recruiters. Let's see how they go.

Excellent stuff.

 

[RooHooDoo]

Personally I didnt see too much wrong with Daws kicking style, in fact I was surprised how natural it looked. I imagine his 6 possessions a game stems from his inability to read the game, but that could be due to inexperience and is definately something that could be coached.

In the end its the Rookie draft its hardly the end of the world if a speculative pick doesnt work out. Daw looks to be a superb athlete so at least theres something to work with.

 

[Hazey1977]

Going only on what I have read here and on other sites I wqould go for Panos, Daw or Sewell.

 

[Urmoe]

I don't give a **** if Daw turns out to be nothing, honestly.

If the recruiters feel we are in a position to gamble, properly, on a pick for once, then **** it.

If we have a pick in the 80s and grabbed him, we wouldn't give a ****.

Now people act like rookie list picks are first or second round picks in the national draft.

I've got faith in the recruiters. Let's see how they go.

Spot on RB, these are effectively picks 90+. If we arent entitled to pick speculatively with these picks, we never are. Regardless of whether it is Daw or whoever a 'high risk/high return' type pick should be the go.

 

[Wally Carter]

I don't understand that logic mate.

I hope the club researches every single pick we make and takes the players they deem the most likely to play senior footy.

I don't want the selectors to be blase about pick 1 or pick 45.

 

[Urmoe]

I don't understand that logic mate.

I hope the club researches every single pick we make and takes the players they deem the most likely to play senior footy.

I don't want the selectors to be blase about pick 1 or pick 45.

Im not talking about being blase, I'm sure all picks are researched to the best of our capabilities, but all teams are interested in plucking a "project player" type of guy then why not with a rookie selection. All clubs do it, ex-rugby, the irish, ex-basketballers, ex-rowers. I want high return, even if it is a little riskier.

The type that take a little time to establish themselves that we want to get in the system who isnt just quite there yet, but if he could get there, could fill a key position post. Its much safer to pick up a midfielder with your early selections as body shape allows a midfielder to compete with other midfielders earlier in their careers. But the bigger guys are a lot more speculative.

 

[Wally Carter]

Righto.

Personally, I am from the other end of the spectrum where I would speculate on the best natural football in the rookie draft. That would be Hooper.

IMO, Majak will most likely be the next Brad Moran.

Anyway, I'll support the players no matter who we draft.