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The Perth travel myth
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Who said anything about the Bulldogs?
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I agree, re Freo, though I am unaware if they get as bad a run. So far WC have travelled 5 odd thousand more km, though I am unsure about short breaks.how is that a reasonable idea, though? should clubs be able to buy a better fixture?
don't disagree that there is improvement available here. could be even better if teams were willing to fund better travel arrangements? eg travelling to melbourne, tassie or sydney would be the same if they had their own plane.
what about freo!? won't someone think of the dockers!?
Clubs already sell home games. The AFL also schedule away games at another clubs home venue, so teams at MCG v Collingwood to maximise takings.
How is buying a home game different?
Finally, why should WC lose a few hundred thousand of it's spending cap, to fix a problem the AFL create. Likewise, it is a less significant change than a reasonable draw.
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What does this have to do with travel?
Daniel Wells is constantly injured, so is Jarrad Waite... Dayne Beams has missed more than a season over the last 4, Adam Cooney hasn't played a full or decent season for about 7 years. Injuries happen at every club.
Gold Coast fell in a giant hole when Gary Ablett busted his shoulder, but it wasn't because he was traveling more playing at a Queensland club or because he was 30 - it's because he was tackled by Brent Macaffer and hit the ground which could happen to any player. I think you're looking for something that isn't really there.
What a load of the proverbial.
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He is and it is a huge difference.
1 hour trip from Sydney post match, means you can return and go through recovery in the ice baths etc. and do a full routine.
WC either have to stay a day and push back their schedule, especially in NSW, or aren't able to do proper recovery that evening. There is a massive drop off in efficacy of recovery, over short periods. Each hour or even minutes count post match.
The other is East coast sides have the genuine option of later same day travel, this option isn't really viable for sides that have to travel 3.5+ hours by plane min, for anywhere outside of Adelide.
But why are you arguing, your side hardly travels and when it does, your president and many supporters get wound up.
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Mate, your president whinges about travelling to Perth. Once.
Can't imagine the uproar if Collingwood had two WA trips and a QLD trip.
We aren't talking about my side, but now you bring them up, maybe you could put in a argument for us, when you lodge yours to the AFL
We have had so many injuries the past few years, i am sure we travel too much.
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RE: the Bulldogs travel it's a quirk of the fixture.
They travel 4 times for the year (GWS, Port, Sydney, Freo) plus a trip to Geelong (which only non-Vic and low profile clubs do) which is light on for km traveled but not many teams would be putting their hand up for two trips to Sydney this year. Vic teams generally travel 3-5 times per year. I certainly don't begrudge the Dogs having a light year, they used to do the Perth double all the time not long ago.
They travel 4 times for the year (GWS, Port, Sydney, Freo) plus a trip to Geelong (which only non-Vic and low profile clubs do) which is light on for km traveled but not many teams would be putting their hand up for two trips to Sydney this year. Vic teams generally travel 3-5 times per year. I certainly don't begrudge the Dogs having a light year, they used to do the Perth double all the time not long ago.
What you gain in home ground advantage you lose in away game travel. The Eagles have 10 home 10 away 2 neutral. Arguably (very arguably) it shortens careers but it does not affect performance during the year. Its a convenient excuse when your having a bad year though.
Victorian clubs like the Dogs dont get more home games. Its not a home game if your opponent is also a Victorian club Vic clubs get (approx) 4 away 4 home and 18 neutral. Except the Cats, they have a special home ground advantage.
Yoru logic is bollocks is flawed and your cliched reply by somehow making this about Eddie Maguire for reasons I cannot fathom means your probabaly not worth bothering with.
Victorian clubs like the Dogs dont get more home games. Its not a home game if your opponent is also a Victorian club Vic clubs get (approx) 4 away 4 home and 18 neutral. Except the Cats, they have a special home ground advantage.
Yoru logic is bollocks is flawed and your cliched reply by somehow making this about Eddie Maguire for reasons I cannot fathom means your probabaly not worth bothering with.
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How many players have WC had exceed 250 games? Since our inception, it would be lowest significantly surely over that period, with the only challengers being sides near the bottom of the ladder for extended periods.
My point is, all clubs get injuries, yet there has never been a WC side like Geelongs, Hawthorns, NM's, WBD late 00 etc. which has fielded experienced or key players, with consistency and post success for long periods. Fremantle crossed into the top bracket in terms of age, then fell dramatically. The same happened post 06.
You are angling for the staunch, travel doesn't matter etc. etc. But if recovery wasn't important why do clubs invest so much?
Historical individual game tallies are irrelevant to how teams are perfoming on a week to week basis.
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Not even close.
Firstly, NM, WBD etc. still travel far less. Get more games at their home ground typically. And since when have North or WBD not have had very favorable home town umpiring? Their have been complaints this year for WBD, and for years for NM.
The teams with the best situation though are those with two home grounds.
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Could we NOT play Freo in Perf next year for a change?!?
Traditional fixture my f***ing ar$e
Traditional fixture my f***ing ar$e
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So, you don't begrudge the Dogs, because they had to do an onerous two Sydney trips, yet disagree that WC need more consideration considering they do 10 trips per year often far further?
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The argument Victorian clubs used to make is that traveling back from Perth impacts recovery and performance the next week. There was a stat once on On The Couch or a similar program about the win rate of returning Victorian teams being 20% or something like that. How valid this is I don't know but this is what the WA clubs deal with 20 times a year - not once or twice.
The counter to this argument on BigFooty is usually 'yeah but you are used to it' which shows the level of debate that goes on here. It's either a thing that affects everyone or it's not a thing.
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Not at all, it is evidence West Coast and Fremantle (bar Pav), often have trouble playing fit, experienced lists with continuity.
Your form week to week will drop off, if you constantly lose experience to injury, or early retirement.
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How many times each Victorian club travels and to where is limited.
8 non-Vic clubs x 10 home games per club = 80 games to be shared around 16 potential opponents, or 5 per team. I mean there are 20 games in WA each year that aren't derbies - it's not possible for every other team to visit twice let alone feasible.
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So, you agree?
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That is true, but there is flexibility to limit how much WC travels to say Tassie, or GC.
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honestly, i only study 1 team's fixture so can't bring much to the overall narrative. that 1 team though sold home games that merely shifted from melb => launceston. if you're saying you want to sell perth games for adelaide instead though, go nuts? (but im sure that's not what you're saying.)
allowing teams to buy an increase in # of home games just seems a bit off to me.
Every team in the AFL will have the same trouble at some time.
West Coast are 1 of the power clubs of the AFL.
Since you have come into the league, you are 1 of the most successful clubs.
All i see in your argument is a huge whinge.
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We have 7 250 gamers plus Cousins who played 238/270 with us.
Brisbane have 8 plus Aker, Johnson, Lynch, Roger Merrett who played some or most of their games at Brisbane.
Adelaide have 8.
Freo have 2.
Port have 2 plus Chad Cornes, Shaun Burgoyne, Wakelin and Wanganeen.
For players debuting 1987 or later Geelong who you brought up have 10 plus Ablett. WB have 7 plus Lake who finished off at Hawthorn and Aker who played most of his career at Brisbane.
The difference isn't as stark as you'd think.
I'll decide what I'm angling, thanks.
St Kilda fell in a hole after making GFs. Western Bulldogs fell in a hole after making PFs. Collingwood fell in a hole after making GFs, made more GFs then fell in a hole again. Travel?
Collingwood only actually get 9 home games at our home ground, the G. We are forced to play two 'home' games at Etihad.
Collingwood travel 5 times which is standard for the Vic teams...we have 11 away games and there are 9 vic sides and 8 non-vic so a 6 vic and 5 non-vic is bang on.
We go to Blacktown most years, also Sydney and Brisbane most years...ie the places the AFL is trying to promote the game. We arent fixtured Perth twice because the WA teams dont need the crowds.
When we are fixtured as the away team v Melbourne, Richmond, Hawthorn, Essendon, Carlton where do you expect the game to be played if not at the G?
A serious sook from somebody who cant see the forest for the trees.
