The Premiership Window

[Lance Uppercut]

Never said they were all guns but that they were better collective talent then the equivalent bomber players in those ages.

yes, and I disagree. But that's the beauty of footy innit

 

[EasternTiger]

Never said they were all guns but that they were better collective talent then the equivalent bomber players in those ages.

An unbiased opinion, undistorted by emotions. I am enjoying your posting on this subject

 

[Collingwoodity]

No you are using opinion ...and silly analogies ...more like just plain wishful thinking on your behalf...with a bit of ommission tossed in ...Carlton played Finals the last couple of Years except for last Year where they just missed out after a horror run with Injuries .

There is no saying they can't finish top 4 no matter how much you hate them, and if they do then they are a chance for the Flag just as any other top 4 team will be .

the fact carlton did not make finals in 2012 is not wishful thinking.

if the sydney analogy was silly why did you raise it?

west coast had a worse or at least equal horror run of injuries as you did and managed to finish 5th.

if anything your failing to make finals illustrates how poor you are.

also if you missed out on finals last year due to a horror run of injuries why did you sack your coach.

 

[Blues_Man]

the fact carlton did not make finals in 2012 is not wishful thinking.

if the sydney analogy was silly why did you raise it?

west coast had a worse or at least equal horror run of injuries as you did and managed to finish 5th.

if anything your failing to make finals illustrates how poor you are.

also if you missed out on finals last year due to a horror run of injuries why did you sack your coach.

Look just keep your inane trolling blather to yourself ..i'm not biting, i'm saving myself for the half intelligent posters with well constructed and knowledgeable posts .

 

[Collingwoodity]

Look just keep your inane trolling blather to yourself ..i'm not biting, i'm saving myself for the half intelligent posters with well constructed and knowledgeable posts .

You are a half intelligent poster jerking off about carlton making top4 in 2013.

 

[Smokeyr67]

You should also point out that our only two losses were by a total of 5 points. Collingwood by 1 point and Sydney by 4 points.

And what a point it was!


I'll back the Pies in at 4 zip, not because of the draw, team or coach, just because they seem relaxed, b\ut angry

 

[alanlau34]

Last time the Hawks made a Grand Final they dropped out of the 8 the year after

I think Freo have the cattle and coach to take the extra step into top 4, Ade may drop off but they have a similarly soft draw to last year. WCE get their forward line back, and should be enough to get them in. Swans should be a lock, given we improved our premiership list. While i dont want the Hawks to be there, they likely will.

Collingwood are still adjusting to the more direct gameplan of Bucks. Carlton won't make the top 4 in Mick's first year and with their forward line still coming together. Can't write off Geelong, but they have lost players in the past year or two that aren't yet replaced by their younguns. Essendon and Richmond are too inconsistent to be a threat. However, I can see them shaping the 4 with some key wins, if that makes sense.

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Essendon were top 4 halfway through last year. Without a similar injury curse I see no reason why they wouldn't have realistic aspirations to get there too. I'm sure there are internal expectations there, whatever BigFooty might think

Bombers are no chance for top 4 - your opening 10 games in 2012 on paper look easier than your opening 10 in 2013.

Can't see Essendon finishing above any of Sydney, Hawthorn, Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide and probably Freo.

If that pans out, then that leaves the likes of Geelong, Carlton, St Kilda, Essendon, (hopefully) ourselves and Brisbane (reckon they might be a bit of a smokey - though probably the longest odds of this group to make the 8) to fight for 2 spots. It's going to be really interesting either way.

The OP was probably a bit optimistic/generous saying we would/should be aiming for top 4. I'd be happy just to make the 8 given how even the field will be

 

[tesseract]

I'd be disappointed with anything less than top 4. Remember how good we were from about round 15 onwards and then realise we will have a full season where we're used to Ross' game plan.

Freo had a soft 2nd half to their fixture last season; it's not surprising that they got on a role.

 

[Matt Stevic]

Last time the Hawks made a Grand Final they dropped out of the 8 the year after

Last time Hawthorn lost a grand final we won 3 of the next 4.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Freo had a soft 2nd half to their fixture last season; it's not surprising that they got on a role.

Does that diminish the wins against North, West Coast and Geelong?

Over the season West Coast won 1 more game than Freo. Is that what makes them a much greater chance of a flag? WCE and Freo had remarkably similar results in September. Both teams will do better with less injuries.

 

[Leatherpoizoned]

How I rank the teams heading into this year:

Wiqid good:
Swans
Hawks
Pies

Pretty sick:
Crows
Eagles
Dockers
Cats

Not bad:
Blues
Tigers
Bombers

Struggling to make the 8:
Kangaroos
Saints

No chance in hell:
Everyone else

This post expresses everything I wanted to.

 

[tesseract]

Does that diminish the wins against North, West Coast and Geelong?

Over the season West Coast won 1 more game than Freo. Is that what makes them a much greater chance of a flag? WCE and Freo had remarkably similar results in September. Both teams will do better with less injuries.

Like my post said: Freo got on a role. I think this role was in part due to the wins accumulated through the soft draw in the 2nd half of the season. It's saying that momentum got Freo the extra wins that they otherwise wouldn't have got.

WCE are seen as a better chance than Freo at a flag in 2013 in part due to getting back their 3 biggest goal scorers in 2011 and the potential of their good, young, midfielders to lift their game's another peg. This has been expressed in ladder predictions and other comments by many on BF.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Like my post said: Freo got on a role. I think this role was in part due to the wins accumulated through the soft draw in the 2nd half of the season. It's saying that momentum got Freo the extra wins that they otherwise wouldn't have got.

WCE are seen as a better chance than Freo at a flag in 2013 in part due to getting back their 3 biggest goal scorers in 2011 and the potential of their good, young, midfielders to lift their game's another peg. This has been expressed in ladder predictions and other comments by many on BF.

So do you acknowledge that your wins over Hawthorn and Richmond in early 2012 were assisted by your soft draw at the start of the year?

And will Freo not benefit from welcoming Fyfe and Sandilands back?

And do you not expect Freo's good, young midfielders to lift another peg?

Come on bro, open the other eye.

 

[shenanigans]

Like my post said: Freo got on a role. I think this role was in part due to the wins accumulated through the soft draw in the 2nd half of the season. It's saying that momentum got Freo the extra wins that they otherwise wouldn't have got.

WCE are seen as a better chance than Freo at a flag in 2013 in part due to getting back their 3 biggest goal scorers in 2011 and the potential of their good, young, midfielders to lift their game's another peg. This has been expressed in ladder predictions and other comments by many on BF.

Whereas for the first time since like ever we will start the season with our best midfield all playing together without any major injuries (except Morabito, but he wasn't playing last year anyway). I'd say there's not much difference between WC and Freo this year considering last years ladder positions and finals progression.

 

[tesseract]

So do you acknowledge that your wins over Hawthorn and Richmond in early 2012 were assisted by your soft draw at the start of the year?

And will Freo not benefit from welcoming Fyfe and Sandilands back?

And do you not expect Freo's good, young midfielders to lift another peg?

Come on bro, open the other eye.

Difference in WC's case is that WC are expected to beat Hawthorn at home and Richmond away. Freo weren't expected to beat North or Geelong away. Derbies are 50/50.

Freo will benefit by having those 2 back. From what I've read on here though, hardly anyone uses it as a reason for Freo winning the premiership in 2013.

When BF posters do their ladder predictions, they may or may not have taken Fyfe or Sandilands into account. I can't speak for them.

 

[salim malik]

Difference in WC's case is that WC are expected to beat Hawthorn at home and Richmond away. Freo weren't expected to beat North or Geelong away. Derbies are 50/50.

Freo will benefit by having those 2 back. From what I've read on here though, hardly anyone uses it as a reason for Freo winning the premiership in 2013.

When BF posters do their ladder predictions, they may or may not have taken Fyfe or Sandilands into account. I can't speak for them.

WC early draw 012 was the softest in the comp,set you up for a top 4 finish that you werent able to take advantage of when the draw got tougher.
Freo won away against a top side in the finals,WC werent able to get the job done away against Collingwood
On last seasons form either Freo or WC have an equal chance at the 4 but both will find it tough against the Hawks,Swans,Collingwood and Adelaide
Essendon,Carlton,Norths and Richmond will also be looking at finishing high up the ladder
Should be a very interesting ride for all club supporters

 

[tesseract]

Whereas for the first time since like ever we will start the season with our best midfield all playing together without any major injuries (except Morabito, but he wasn't playing last year anyway). I'd say there's not much difference between WC and Freo this year considering last years ladder positions and finals progression.

I, personally, don't think there's much between the two teams either based on ladder position and finals happenings. I find it interesting that BF judges look beyond that reasoning alone and take WC's young mids into account for a potential rise far more so than Freo's. (With the exception of Fyfe, who's expected to be among the comp's best.)

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

No I don't reckon there has been a season when this many teams at the start would be genuinely filthy that they missed top 4. I mean to start, which of Sydney, Freo, WCE and Adelaide do you think will miss. Cos if none do then there is no room for Hawthorn, Collingwood and Geelong. I think there are a genuine 7 teams that have the talent to be top 4. And that is without considering the second rung - North, Essendon, Carlton, Richmond, StKilda.

I can't recall a season like that. Usually there are 2 or 3 locks and 2 or 3 hopefuls.

Very exciting prospect.


Proving that rumours of socialism's death are grossly premature.

 

[tesseract]

WC early draw 012 was the softest in the comp,set you up for a top 4 finish that you werent able to take advantage of when the draw got tougher.
Freo won away against a top side in the finals,WC werent able to get the job done away against Collingwood
On last seasons form either Freo or WC have an equal chance at the 4 but both will find it tough against the Hawks,Swans,Collingwood and Adelaide
Essendon,Carlton,Norths and Richmond will also be looking at finishing high up the ladder
Should be a very interesting ride for all club supporters

Early easy draw consisted of 3 games, the rest of the first half was pretty standard. That's a fair bit different to half a season that Freo had. And 3 easy games doesn't set a team up for a top-4 finish.
Geelong weren't a top side in 2012. Collingwood were though.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Difference in WC's case is that WC are expected to beat Hawthorn at home and Richmond away. Freo weren't expected to beat North or Geelong away. .

In other words, Freo are better than most people think.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Early easy draw consisted of 3 games, the rest of the first half was pretty standard. That's a fair bit different to half a season that Freo had. And 3 easy games doesn't set a team up for a top-4 finish.
Geelong weren't a top side in 2012. Collingwood were though.

Why? Because it suits your argument? Geelong beat Sydney once and Hawthorn twice and won one less game than Collingwood.

No wait... Geelong are past it because they lost to Freo twice, is that it?

 

[tesseract]

In other words, Freo are better than most people think.

Considering those wins came at the end of those easier games, I put it down to the momentum that I mentioned earlier.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Considering those wins came at the end of those easier games, I put it down to the momentum that I mentioned earlier.

So Freo had more momentum than North when the roos had won 9 of their last 10? And more than Geelong when the cats had just beaten Sydney and hadn't travelled for a month?

 

[tesseract]

Why? Because it suits your argument? Geelong beat Sydney once and Hawthorn twice and won one less game than Collingwood.

No wait... Geelong are past it because they lost to Freo twice, is that it?

Calling Geelong a "top side" suits the Freo argument more than mine. Salim would rather use the Geelong game than the Adelaide game as a reference to playing a top side. Using Geelong is false.
It doesn't matter who Geelong beat or didn't beat, a team that finished 6th at the end of the H&A season aren't a top side. I'm sure the definition of a top side could be used by some teams who finished out of the eight if who they beat counts as to what makes a team a top side.