Official Club Stuff The President & the Board - Sayers to continue as Pres until end of 2025

[Robbo's my hero]

‘Accountability’ is an interesting concept. I’ve seen people take the high jump because they knew what was going on and I’ve seen others do the same because they should have known.

We have a real problem dealing with ‘White Collar Crime’ but this is a classic case of insider trading that should be punished.

When I think of all those sessions I sat through as a public servant and the paperwork I signed regarding confidentiality concerning the information I was privy to. I understood the concept and took it seriously.

In this case, the people giving out the information and those receiving that information are reprehensible and deserve real sanctions for their behaviour.

It won’t happen. It never happens because “money makes the world go round”.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

PwC scandal: Partners defy leadership with calls for a purge and radical reform (theage.com.au)

The group of partners said that two former PwC chief executives – Tom Seymour, who is retiring from the firm, and Luke Sayers, who now runs his own consulting group and is president of the Carlton Football Club – should be held accountable for the scandal.

Sayers’ associates say he had no knowledge of the scandal.

Then even more reason he must go!!

(not that I believe that for a second)

 

[Lace_Out]

‘Accountability’ is an interesting concept. I’ve seen people take the high jump because they knew what was going on and I’ve seen others do the same because they should have known.

We have a real problem dealing with ‘White Collar Crime’ but this is a classic case of insider trading that should be punished.

When I think of all those sessions I sat through as a public servant and the paperwork I signed regarding confidentiality concerning the information I was privy to. I understood the concept and took it seriously.

In this case, the people giving out the information and those receiving that information are reprehensible and deserve real sanctions for their behaviour.

It won’t happen. It never happens because “money makes the world go round”.

Exactly, money buys silence.
The more you have, the more you can control, been proven time and time again, especially in recent years.

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[Graffy4242]

I wonder if the President will be watching the game from Lucca in Tuscany this weekend??

Throwing a big party for his wife's 50th.

 

[Arr0w]

Good on him/them celebrating a milestone

 

[Coona Blues]

You either don't understand consultants and their purposes or had a bad experience once upon a time and have maintained the rage. Sure the stuff about the club being unsuccessful whatever - fine. Accurate but the attacks on 'consultancy culture' and the board for using an external review are pretty silly. That's what the top firms do. There's a reason consultancy firms are so massive. They provide brilliant value. No matter how much your average middle manager can't understand that.

Nah. Might be my age showing, but consultation for consultation’s sake has become a thing. Some argument in the business world for complex matters needing expertise outside of the normal scope of business. We are talking a football club. While it is not as black and white as back in the day, if a decision cannot be reached by a board and a bevy of managerial types, they should not be in their positions. Therein lies the crux of the matter. Our core business is football, the management should be top heavy with quality football people as opposed to a variety of managers and (token) social and political watchdogs.

Core activity ladies and gents. There are plenty of football savvy types out there who have been successful in management roles across the greater community post playing, and of course those who have made the game a career post playing days.

 

[Garters]

You either don't understand consultants and their purposes or had a bad experience once upon a time and have maintained the rage. Sure the stuff about the club being unsuccessful whatever - fine. Accurate but the attacks on 'consultancy culture' and the board for using an external review are pretty silly. That's what the top firms do. There's a reason consultancy firms are so massive. They provide brilliant value. No matter how much your average middle manager can't understand that.

Be careful treading this line SHT! General joke in the office unfortunately (or not) is 'the Spanish archer got him / her, but its ok they will have a bright future in consultancy' insert ha ha ha. Not pretty, but pretty consistant.
That old adage of 'those that can't do, consult' is, whilst dispaging / tongue in check to those good few, is probably more pervasive now than ever given the lack of talent available. The big 3 charge like wounded bulls, have built a business model on lazy public service outsourcing and are the last thought for many in our space sending private client activity to or utilising internally on the corporate side. Many independent specialist options available that are eating the big tier pie and doing it well.
Your 4 banks, 2 miners, TLS and the public service are the perpetual line of gear they snort from locally and it all gets a bit too much of a white out time to time. As we are seeing now with PWC, but not alone, Deloitte last year etc. On a seperate note, what happened to AA? That USD 74B accounting irregularity that sunk Enron and themselves was mgmt consultancy at its unfettered best! I digress.

Sayers was at the top of the tree driving these lazy conflicted revenue streams locally, not alone with a long list of others from the large tiers and it continues. Sayers is a serious operator, tedious company and personally wouldn't trust him with your grandmother's bingo ticket. So swings and round abouts... strengths and weaknesses!
Doesn't change much in the near term, just my observations having a pretty close view of a lot of this space.
An external refresh at the expiry of his tenure as I've mentioned previously is a great opportunity that shouldn't be squandered.

 

[Michael Jezz]

You either don't understand consultants and their purposes or had a bad experience once upon a time and have maintained the rage. Sure the stuff about the club being unsuccessful whatever - fine. Accurate but the attacks on 'consultancy culture' and the board for using an external review are pretty silly. That's what the top firms do. There's a reason consultancy firms are so massive. They provide brilliant value. No matter how much your average middle manager can't understand that.

Seriously, if you take the leadership of an organisation after having 8 years on its board and need someone else to tell you what is wrong and lay out a direction, you probably are not the appropriate leader. Great bureaucracies hire consultants. Great companies, are lead by managers, entrepreneurs, founders who innately set a path because they are attuned to their industry, product or service. Paying someone else to think for you rarely works and ascribing expertise to people who are external and don't live & breathe your organisation leads to second rate outcomes.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I wonder if the President will be watching the game from Lucca in Tuscany this weekend??

Throwing a big party for his wife's 50th.

perhaps he can stay there...

 

[bigblueboy]

perhaps he can stay there...

Christopher Skase style

 

[LFTWNG11]

Be careful treading this line SHT! General joke in the office unfortunately (or not) is 'the Spanish archer got him / her, but its ok they will have a bright future in consultancy' insert ha ha ha. Not pretty, but pretty consistant.
That old adage of 'those that can't do, consult' is, whilst dispaging / tongue in check to those good few, is probably more pervasive now than ever given the lack of talent available.

Another favorite adage of mine for consultancy businesses is something like "they come to count the sheep and leave with the sheep dog". These consultant firm's absolutely have place in audit and assurance, i.e. checking processes and procedures to ensure external reporting adheres to specific standards and checking internal controls to company policy to ensure those with authority do so with probity.

But how many times do you see them used to make business decisions, devise strategic direction or procure systems... if your people can't do these things, then what are they are employed for? I have seen firsthand these firms use this information to advise competitors and line their own pockets and weak executives let it roll because they are in self-preservation mode.

In regard to the football club, I have no issue with how our football department was reviewed and putting together an external panel to select the coach (footy is quite unique and we have done the wrong thing on so many occasions) but Luke Sayers position should be untenable because no doubt he was either aware and did nothing or didn't know... which is even worse.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Wish we could make Cookie both President and CEO.

 

[Aphrodite]

Keep Politics or any reference to Politics off our Board.

Belongs in SRP:-

Society, Religion and Politics

A board for grown-ups.

www.bigfooty.com

Thanks all!

 

[Geoff Dickson]

How would you describe a 'consultancy culture'? (user with no Club support)

Until Mezza's explanation, it was not a term that I was familiar with and therefore would not have been able to describe it. Mezza's defintition is good for me.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Seriously, if you take the leadership of an organisation after having 8 years on its board and need someone else to tell you what is wrong and lay out a direction, you probably are not the appropriate leader. Great bureaucracies hire consultants. Great companies, are lead by managers, entrepreneurs, founders who innately set a path because they are attuned to their industry, product or service. Paying someone else to think for you rarely works and ascribing expertise to people who are external and don't live & breathe your organisation leads to second rate outcomes.

So having people who are external to the club (such as Dunstall and Pavlich who have had great success in their fields and been a part of successful cultures) come in to cast their eye over things that haven't gone well in areas that the board don't have a lot of expertise in ( e.g winning games of football) is an example of consultancy culture and therefore a bad thing?

Plenty of examples of where similar has happened and led to great success for the club. Or is this argument only applicable to Carlton?

 

[Michael Jezz]

Dunstall was Hawthorn through and through.
If I am not mistaken the sub par results of Pavlich's report speak for themselves
Of course, there a good consultants but the majority spin wheels, produce muck and seduce the client into thinking consultancy is a magic solution.
The woes at PWC indicate our President is a mainstay of that type of sourcery

 

[Revenant1965]

I'm not sure about all the 'Consultants Talk'... I think I may have to consult with someone for advice....

 

[JustaBattler]

Dunstall was Hawthorn through and through.
If I am not mistaken the sub par results of Pavlich's report speak for themselves
Of course, there a good consultants but the majority spin wheels, produce muck and seduce the client into thinking consultancy is a magic solution.
The woes at PWC indicate our President is a mainstay of that type of sourcery

Big consulting firms are excellent marketing companies that produce beautiful PowerPoint presentations full of table-structured ditties - full of insight and wonder!

 

[The Bighouse]

Dunstall was Hawthorn through and through.
If I am not mistaken the sub par results of Pavlich's report speak for themselves
Of course, there a good consultants but the majority spin wheels, produce muck and seduce the client into thinking consultancy is a magic solution.
The woes at PWC indicate our President is a mainstay of that type of sourcery

Dunstall declined CFC’s overtures to be part of our review (unfortunately), even as an old Blues supporter.

He was part of the review panel at Adelaide however after previously filling just about every key administration role at HFC, and very successfully.

 

[Arr0w]

Dunstall was Hawthorn through and through.
If I am not mistaken the sub par results of Pavlich's report speak for themselves
Of course, there a good consultants but the majority spin wheels, produce muck and seduce the client into thinking consultancy is a magic solution.
The woes at PWC indicate our President is a mainstay of that type of sourcery

Yeah, I mean Crows are travelling poorly since this was commissioned at the end of 2019.

The word consultant, doesn't limit it to a bean counter or a marketing mouth piece, it is purely associated with the term "external"

Football review finalised

Adelaide has completed a thorough and wide-ranging review of its football department

www.afc.com.au

"The Adelaide Football Club has completed a thorough and wide-ranging review of its football department which has resulted in a number of personnel and structural changes.

The review was initiated due to a decline in on-field performance over the past two years, with the Board appointing a panel of external consultants led by Australian Football Hall of Fame member Jason Dunstall, who was joined by former AFL great Matthew Pavlich and high performance experts Jonah Oliver and Dr Tim Gabbett."

 

[Michael Jezz]

Why

Yeah, I mean Crows are travelling poorly since this was commissioned at the end of 2019.

The word consultant, doesn't limit it to a bean counter or a marketing mouth piece, it is purely associated with the term "external"

Football review finalised

Adelaide has completed a thorough and wide-ranging review of its football department

www.afc.com.au

"The Adelaide Football Club has completed a thorough and wide-ranging review of its football department which has resulted in a number of personnel and structural changes.

The review was initiated due to a decline in on-field performance over the past two years, with the Board appointing a panel of external consultants led by Australian Football Hall of Fame member Jason Dunstall, who was joined by former AFL great Matthew Pavlich and high performance experts Jonah Oliver and Dr Tim Gabbett."

So if our president's review was so successful why are we 14th on the ladder?

 

[Arr0w]

So if our president's review was so successful why are we 14th on the ladder?

That Crows review was over 3 1/2 years ago, why did it take them that long to climb back up the ladder?

 

[The Flying Doormat]

That Crows review was over 3 1/2 years ago, why did it take them that long to climb back up the ladder?

Bottom out and a 66 game rebuild perhaps?

 

[Arr0w]

Bottom out and a 66 game rebuild perhaps?

Nah, our list isn't that far off, not to be playing finals

 

[BigFrizz36]

Why

So if our president's review was so successful why are we 14th on the ladder?

So you are conceding that the Adelaide review "worked"?