The problem with Richmond isnt player recruiting, its player development

[keefriffhard]

Too much running could be a problem.

Most players lose bulk over the season due to the large amount of running involved in a season, especially young players with few pre seaons under their belts. Much has been made of Richmond not having the mid range age group that possesses the core body strength required

 

[guruisatiger]

I don't think Richmond have had a decent big bodied midfielder since Matty Knights.

matty knights had a huge arse that was about it we do have a big bodied midfielder hes been injured 3 out of 7 years and would be captain if he had not missed rthe last two years worry about your own team

 

[guruisatiger]

So JON had no pre season . Yet still didnt put on any muscle. That is just ridiculous. What did he do for 6 months if he wasnt in the gym adding weight?

id like to see you lift weights with a broken collar bone maybe he should be on the juice like your heroes out west thats the wat to do it drugs drugs and more of them

 

[Embers]

id like to see you lift weights with a broken collar bone maybe he should be on the juice like your heroes out west thats the wat to do it drugs drugs and more of them

Thats fair enough then and explains a bit in regards to JON. Still doesnt explain Will Thursfield though.

 

[Malibu#27]

anyway who would belive rodan nayway

lets wait and see how he plays next yr, first ur is the easiest, he gunned his first yr 4 us, got comfy and end of story

same will happen at port

You should learn english - it makes your posts easier to read.


on Rodan - you Richmondites were telling us pre-season he would be a pre-season wonder and then fizzle come the main season. After he played well his forst couple games for us, we were getting told hed be ok for a couple games and then fall away. Now 15 rounds into the season and hes still playing well and you think its just a first season thing.

Fact is - Choco is a football 'coach' ..... Terry Wallace is a spin doctor - he'd be better served in politics where the art of deflecting attention is actually required.

 

[DBAH0]

yes the tigers have not beenm successful in the past 25 odd years
so what

Accepting mediocrity then I see. Well if you're fine with that I suppose.......

Recruiting and Player Development has been an issue for a long time now with Richmond. They've made countless errors at the draft, e.g Fiora over Pavlich, Alex Gilmour at #21, Danny Meyer at #12, Tambling over Franklin etc.

It's bad enough Terry Wallace put undue pressure on Deledio and Tambling by saying they had the 2 best kids in the draft. Doesn't look the case now does it.

 

[Power King]

dyer-17 obviously has sour grapes over his club losing the gun that is rodan.

he's played an excellent and consistent season, and his character suits the mindframe of our club to perfection.

Thanks!

 

[zolloz]

this post shows u have no idea. delediop lost muscle since he started!!!! u r so stupid

btw, our players develop somewhat slower yes, i wonder why, one wonders how wce players develop so fast ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

when i saw deledio run off judd whilst bouncing the ball, they looked pretty much same size to me, just deledio was faster.

fancy judd being outrun by a twig

isnt woosha a pharmicist by proffession.............ahhhhhhhh that he is

As I was reading through these posts I was starting to realise that most Richmond supporters don't have their head in the sand and I was starting to feel some respect for the suffering and ridicule they have had to endure. (I do understand as I am a Freo/Joke of the AFL supporter)



But then I came to this post and it all fizzled away.

Mate you are a tool.

Are you always this stupid or are you making a special effort today?

 

[guruisatiger]

Thats fair enough then and explains a bit in regards to JON. Still doesnt explain Will Thursfield though.

not every player just stacks on the weight just because they have a year off some players are naturally well built some take take years to develop its not just training its its just the physiology of some footballers and mens body"s dont fully mature till they are 23 so time is on wills side at least he can play footy and has footy smarts you cant learn that in a gym

 

[TIGER ROCKET]

Hes a good tactician. Your right. Hes the kind of bloke who would make a good assistant coach. He cant have the full coaching job because as I said in the opening post hes clueless in turning athletes into players and boys into men.

Rodan will be case point 1. I can see alot of current Richmond youngsters moving onto better things away from the Richmond footy club

don't flatter wallace he is not a good tactician at all.
what coach would leave peter burgoyne loose man in defence the whole game

 

[TIGER ROCKET]

dyer-17 obviously has sour grapes over his club losing the gun that is rodan.

he's played an excellent and consistent season, and his character suits the mindframe of our club to perfection.

Thanks!

as i have said ad nauseum on here good luck to rodan he is playing great football at a very good club but he had five years at richmond and didn't perform that well so we delisted him.please don't bring up the knee reco,he did nothing before that either.

 

[Embers]

not every player just stacks on the weight just because they have a year off some players are naturally well built some take take years to develop its not just training its its just the physiology of some footballers and mens body"s dont fully mature till they are 23 so time is on wills side at least he can play footy and has footy smarts you cant learn that in a gym

They should. You could also flip that and say not every player fails to put on weight during a pre season which seems to have happened at Richmond. Gaining weight is the least of Richmonds problems though. Rodan learning nothing down at Richmoned. There lies your problem

 

[DBAH0]

not every player just stacks on the weight just because they have a year off some players are naturally well built some take take years to develop its not just training its its just the physiology of some footballers and mens body"s dont fully mature till they are 23 so time is on wills side at least he can play footy and has footy smarts you cant learn that in a gym

I would have thought JON's kicking would be a major issue ATM as well.

At least Andrew Mackie who took 5 years to put on weight, has great foot skills and uses the ball well for comparisons sake. I haven't seen that in JON's game so far at the AFL level.

 

[Embers]

I would have thought JON's kicking would be a major issue ATM as well.

At least Andrew Mackie who took 5 years to put on weight, has great foot skills and uses the ball well for comparisons sake. I haven't seen that in JON's game so far at the AFL level.

JON has no confidence. This is what happens when you weight 50kg less than the opposition though

 

[guruisatiger]

Interesting comment David Rodan made the other day got me thinking. He came out and said he loves to go to training because he "learns something new every day". Now we can take this two ways. Either Port have the most fantastic super coaching team in world football who know everything. Or the more realistic outcome in that he really didnt learn that much about the game in his stay at Richmond.

Example no 2. Jarrod Oakley Nicholls. Comes to Richmond one of the skinniest blokes in the draft. Since hes been at Richmond he would be lucky to of put on 5kgs. How can a bloke like Robbie Warnock add 17kg+ yet a bloke like Oakley Nicholls at Richmond cannot add anytype of muscle definition. What about Brett Deledio. I actually think hes lost muscle since joining Richmond. Hes a good player but really in todays game how many superstars are not physically strong. Judd Cousins Kerr. All 3 are built like oxes and its a massive part of there game. Deledio is a twig. Will Thursfield. Spends 1 year out of the game. Comes back to the game a absolute twig. What the fricken hell was he doing for that one year. Surely he should of been at the gym? Im serious what did he actually do...

Another interesting point is to look at what i rate as the Tiges best 3 players this season. Nathan Foley, Jake King, Graham Polak. All 3 came to Tigerland mature aged and physically built for AFL footy. Polak learnt his trade down at Freo and put it into practice at Richmond. King did it in the VFL for Coburg. Essentially their 3 best players for the season, none of them learnt the game or built themselves up at the Richmond footy club

Its very very easy to blame player recruiting. Greg Miller isnt paid 500k per year. Terry Wallace is. Its clear as day Wallace is the problem here. Miller is drafting athletes. Its not his fault Wallace cannot turn them into AFL footballers. Tiges need a coaching cleanout and need to take a massive look at the way they bring young players into the team. Until changes are made 2011 will seem a pipe dream in the end

dear embers do you know what the word fact means hope you do cause im going to give you quite a few facts now and hope fully you learn by them 1-- kerr and judd both weigh less than deledio 2--deledio has added 8 kilos of weight since started he is now 89 kilos no need for a running midfielder to be any stronger 3-- canyou name me any of the current indiginious players who are naturally well built strrong footballers 4-- jake king only weihgs 74 kilos hardly call that well built 5 -- you say polak is well built yet he is 6 cm taller than deledio but only weighs 4ks heavier can you please explain these comments look forwars to your replies

 

[guruisatiger]

Accepting mediocrity then I see. Well if you're fine with that I suppose.......

Recruiting and Player Development has been an issue for a long time now with Richmond. They've made countless errors at the draft, e.g Fiora over Pavlich, Alex Gilmour at #21, Danny Meyer at #12, Tambling over Franklin etc.

It's bad enough Terry Wallace put undue pressure on Deledio and Tambling by saying they had the 2 best kids in the draft. Doesn't look the case now does it.

so why was every expert in town saying tambling was the best kid in the draft why were thay all saying the best indiginous player to come out of darwin . yes and all the experts were also saying that tambling was a better footballer than frankling its very easy to say in hindsight but lests wait till they have both played over 10 years then we can make a much better assesment

 

[believer]

The problem is Tigerland have put a narcisist in charge.

This whole thing is about him, not the players or the fans.

I will make a prediction that when he leaves Punt Rd it will not be his fault.

Past behaviour indicates future performance.

He was SACKED by the players at the Dogs for his TOTALLY selfish behaviour.

Everyone should be thinking of that scene as he threw the mobile phone from that car after he was given the arse by Chris Grant and company.

It isnt recruiting or development, its Terry Wallace, narcissist.

 

[Gooka]

The problem is Tigerland have put a narcisist in charge.

This whole thing is about him, not the players or the fans.

I will make a prediction that when he leaves Punt Rd it will not be his fault.

Past behaviour indicates future performance.

He was SACKED by the players at the Dogs for his TOTALLY selfish behaviour.

Everyone should be thinking of that scene as he threw the mobile phone from that car after he was given the arse by Chris Grant and company.

It isnt recruiting or development, its Terry Wallace, narcissist.

Give Wallace a break. He got the job at Richmond thanks to his 5 year plan. It's year three... and year 5 is ... oh wait, 2011?

Hmmmm

 

[dan warna]

haven't read past the first page, but Fiora came to st kilda with a poor reputation.

last year he was solid this year he is better.

I suppose it will haunt him for his career the 'fiona' tag. but I thinkt he saints are getting more vfm out of him than richmond ever did.

still only a gop but he's developing fast.

 

[guruisatiger]

haven't read past the first page, but Fiora came to st kilda with a poor reputation.

last year he was solid this year he is better.

I suppose it will haunt him for his career the 'fiona' tag. but I thinkt he saints are getting more vfm out of him than richmond ever did.

still only a gop but he's developing fast.

and to think we got troy simmonds in that trade damn

 

[dan warna]

and to think we got troy simmonds in that trade damn

the trade was forced on us to some degree as black's missus wanted to go back to WA.

for us it was get nothing for black or take fiora.

as for simmonds, I dont know if he's been good for you or not really, but fiora is rising fast.

 

[guruisatiger]

I would have thought JON's kicking would be a major issue ATM as well.

At least Andrew Mackie who took 5 years to put on weight, has great foot skills and uses the ball well for comparisons sake. I haven't seen that in JON's game so far at the AFL level.

so you have seen every game jon has played have you his kicking is not that bad like a lot of things in life he just needs a little confidence and a few good games in a row and hew will be fine

 

[guruisatiger]

the trade was forced on us to some degree as black's missus wanted to go back to WA.

for us it was get nothing for black or take fiora.

as for simmonds, I dont know if he's been good for you or not really, but fiora is rising fast.

so who do you barrack for

 

[guruisatiger]

Terry Wallace is not interested/not capable of developing a list. Hence the reason he deserted the Bulldogs. 3 years in charge and their basic skills are deplorable. Just what has this man done in 3 years??

Wallace is just a match day coach, that's all he is. Don't think he's that good at that either. He should be sacked immediately.

round 21 2000 ?

 

[guruisatiger]

No I don't think so. Don't think your youngsters are as good. They're almost anonymous. Make no mistake Greg Miller has a lot to answer for. Thinks he's some kind of guru yet has completely botched it up at Richmond. This man has made his name purely on getting Carey and Longmire from under Sydney's noses. He has achieved nothing else in football. An off-the-street football fan with a strong knowledge in football could do as good a job as Miller.

If the Bombers let Sheedy go, the Tigers should jump at the chance to grab him, even if just for 2-3 years to sought the place out.

Have they learnt nothing at Tigerland in the last 27 barren years???!!

we wont let that essendon maggot sheedy any where near punt road he is yours for life